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Tokyo Ghoul Downgrade (Final)

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Lifting Strength

Lifting Strength: Ken Kaneki | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom Lifting Strength: Superhuman (Comparable to Base Urie) , Class 5 with Kagune (Comparable to Nishiki, who can lift cars) | Class 5 | Superhuman, Class M with kagune (Stopped Eto’s charge) | At least Class M, likely higher via sheer size | Su...
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here is my revised ls doc

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Tg Speed revisions

God tiers Ken Kaneki | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom Subsonic, likely higher (Faster than base Yamori. After training, could keep up with Part 1 Shachi), Supersonic with kakuja (Can create mach cones with his movements. Fought evenly and ultimately defeated Amon who was using Arata Proto II), | Subson...
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and my revised speed suggestions
 
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I'll post some of my justifications for my documents tomorrow and I might edit the speed one a bit
 
So for lifting strength.

The reason so few are getting class m is that previously, base Amon was erroneously scaled to Eto via him breaking out of Mutsuki's Kagune, which held Eto in place.
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The problem is that this was a much weaker, suppressed Mutsuki. Mutsuki would continue to cannibalize for months after this, becoming far stronger
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Its after this point that she holds down Eto
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The other reason is that currently most of the pages scale off direct fights, rather than lifting feats, which violates the rules regarding it
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Instead the characters can scale off rc cell amounts and the ghoul rating system, as those determine stats
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In this case, Nishiki is rated as "s" and has generally lower amount of rc cells than higher tiers, so most ghouls can scale to his LS
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God tiers that are listed as "Class M" in the doc either directly scale to Ero (like kaneki stopping her mid charge), or have an rc cell count comparable to or above Eto.
 
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Lifting Strength

Lifting Strength: Ken Kaneki | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom Lifting Strength: Superhuman (Comparable to Base Urie) , Class 5 with Kagune (Comparable to Nishiki, who can lift cars) | Class 5 | Superhuman, Class M with kagune (Stopped Eto’s charge) | At least Class M, likely higher via sheer size | Su...
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here is my finalized lifting strength suggestions
 
Ok so. The hypersonic feat was performed by gagi and guge, to save a heavily injured naki from bullets.
gagi and guge in part 1 were kind of fodder speed wise, as no name ghouls inferior to Shuu could fight them, and human investigators as well. Even naki was shown to be to intercept an attack faster than they could, while he was being nerfed by suppressant gas
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This is maybe consistent with Base Shinohara (human) being able to react and parry an attack from kakuja kaneki, who could make 2 sonic booms with his movements
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that said, the hypersonic feat was 2 years after this, and gagi and guge could have gotten faster. Both of them are irregular, as they could not release their kagune, and as such had an abnormally high rc cell count of 3000.
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Amon in part 2 had an rc cell count of 10,000, and as such should be relative or faster than them. Several characters can scale to him in speed, and you can make scaling chains for every profile the wiki currently has.

I would like to keep it as "likely/possibly" hypersonic, as fire arms are still treated as a threat to most ghouls, and mach cones still make an apearance as far in as the last 10 chapters.

Kaneki and Furuta should upscale enough to make it to hypersonic+. Both are faster than arima who could blitz characters who characters who upscale a bit from gagi and guge, who are already mach 9.6
 
why don't u just put everything in the OP? I think it will be easier for people to read everything at once in one post
 
minor post here
Anime reaffirms the sonic booms for kaneki and being a bullet timer
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Kaneki parries automatic gunfire - GIF - Imgur

However im slightly hesitant to my suggestion of "at least supersonic" to most characters, as several bullet timing feats in the verse are possibly aim dodging, and the ccg considers guns to still be affective against most ghouls, even up to the final arc.


Hoping for some input
 
I wanna hold off on speed till that calc gets evaluated.

If everyone is fine on lifting strength though, that can probably be edited in
 
The way I would prefer things could be done is apply the lifting strength changes, then finish speed in another crt
 
Please permanently stop spamming posts.

Anyway, @Abstractions would you be willing to help out here please?
 
Okay. No problem. It seems like Cyber wants your input first.
 
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All I want to know now is if the lifting strength suggestions can be edited in and if speed can wait for another CRT

Mr glass seems to be willing to help regarding the edits
 
Just make a separate thread to discuss the speeds to keep this organized.

The lifting strength and regeneration changes seem fine.
 
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oh one last thing. Mr. Bambu would like confirmation in the comments here that this feat happened
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Beyond that, he said the math is fine.
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Are we positive that is the way to interpret it?

We see after striking Kaneki that the rainfall behind Amon has already continued, what was happening during his motion is little different than what we see is happening to Kaneki in the last frame; the force behind Kaneki being smacked created a shockwave that dispersed the rain around him as he was tumbling back, much how the force behind Amon's movement dispersed the rain around him before he struck.
 
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Are we positive that is the way to interpret it?

We see after striking Kaneki that the rainfall behind Amon has already continued, what was happening during his motion is little different than what we see is happening to Kaneki in the last frame; the force behind Kaneki being smacked created a shockwave that dispersed the rain around him as he was tumbling back, much how the force behind Amon's movement dispersed the rain around him before he struck.
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I guess that is a valid interpretation
Could probably be discussed more in detail in a separate CRT
 
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