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we both ended up agreeing that Asta wins since he's more popular than accelerator so dw guys
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we both ended up agreeing that Asta wins since he's more popular than accelerator so dw guys
Accel has more favorites in My Anime List than Asta, so this isn't a valid wincon.
Their two downgrades (Zombie's and then Aleister's) were never said to affect their speed tho, it would also be really strange that Aleister fought on par with one or even more infinite/immeasurable beings and then is unable to speed blitz everyone else in the verse, and yeah i really wanted to have an "at least sub-rel, possibly infinite" rating, but whatever.Do you think at least sub rel is a accurate reflection of their full power when less than a fraction of infinity is also that speed?
Yeah, we kinda forget to add the 10 nanoseconds reaction speed to all 5Bs or above (literally all of them scale to eachother and thus should have it).1 thing for sure is that second key is the same as othinus so they should at least have the same speed
Bump in this regard.Does anybody else feel we should decide whether or not Toaru profiles for Japanese characters follow Western or Eastern name order and then make them all consistent in that regard?
I think i said it before, i think at least the kiharas should be inverted, way too many of them.Bump in this regard.
And nobody else tried to continue the topic.I think i said it before, i think at least the kiharas should be inverted, way too many of them.
Since they didn't recreate it then they probably didn't create it as well, maybe it existed since the start and they just found it.Random question, but was it ever stated who created the hidden world? I mean, the most straightforward and reasonable answer would be the MG's, but I don't remember it ever being explicitly specified. It would also beg the question, why didn't they just recreate it after it was lost.
They didn't recreate it cause it was no longer hidden the moment aleister breached itSince they didn't recreate it then they probably didn't create it as well, maybe it existed since the start and they just found it.
Actually:They didn't recreate it cause it was no longer hidden the moment aleister breached it
Would that count as damage reduction then?Pretty unclear. I think technically, following the explanation given, it is more that just an infinitesimal part of them gets killed so that they don't die to begin with.
It seems a bit like Hercules from fate with his nine lives and that qualifies is a form of ressurection as well, maybe the same logic could be applied here?I mean, Avatar creation makes some sense if we use this:
You could just keep killing and killing us without end. Like a matryoshka doll or an onion, you would have to fight a nearly eternal battle to completely kill us.
Maybe avatar creation, maybe just "clone creation" as they aren't really immortal, they are just boring to fully kill.
Well, yeah it seems to be closer to... actually, the resurrection Noble Phantasm is called God Hand, Nine Lives is the NP that represents his skill with all kinds of weapons or something like that, but yeah, the MGs seem closer to it than to Duplication (we never see a second body or anything like that) or Avatar Creation (there isn't an abstract/original/whatever version of them somewhere else) so i guess you can do a CRT to add type 4 for their nerfed keys, no problems IMO.It seems a bit like Hercules from fate with his nine lives and that qualifies is a form of ressurection as well, maybe the same logic could be applied here?
Qliphah got some good feats in the form of being able to move to different phases (Imaginary District) and having someone's history appear on her dress. In terms of vsb that would make Qliphah harder to hit and also give Accel extra intelligence gathering feats on opponents.
Is it me or was Carrier the one with most feats here? Although personally I might be most hyped about Frillsand #G's destruction now being passive...
Aside from making a Carrier profile and updating Frillsand with a second key, I guess we gotta create Alice's profile. I'm kinda undecided what the tier is concerned. They said she affects the whole world, but that's pure hax, isn't it?
Iirc, their hax have destructive potential like EEing multiverses and things like that (iirc, long time since i even got close to BB in the wiki) while Alice could have it but we don't really know, so far it's just planetary range.Qliphah got some good feats in the form of being able to move to different phases (Imaginary District) and having someone's history appear on her dress. In terms of vsb that would make Qliphah harder to hit and also give Accel extra intelligence gathering feats on opponents.
Even if it's pure hax you have profiles on the website that list hax as potency I:E Blazblue's 'low 1-C with hax' so it should be fine.
No, you're high balling it. It's more like Phenomena Intervention joins possibilities over eachother and asserts one reality over the other (I:E you don't exist in this possibility so die) since it's based off quantum stuffIirc, their hax have destructive potential like EEing multiverses and things like that (iirc, long time since i even got close to BB in the wiki) while Alice could have it but we don't really know, so far it's just planetary range.
Anyway, i guess Unknown, possibly 5B would fit Alice well enough until we have more info about her, at the start it's said her specs would be even with Anna's or even above it.
That aside, IMO this was the best GT Volume so far, from best to worst i think it is 5-3-2-1-4
It should be said that she has seemingly lightyears of rangeIirc, their hax have destructive potential like EEing multiverses and things like that (iirc, long time since i even got close to BB in the wiki) while Alice could have it but we don't really know, so far it's just planetary range.
Anyway, i guess Unknown, possibly 5B would fit Alice well enough until we have more info about her, at the start it's said her specs would be even with Anna's or even above it.
The general public is apparently abuzz with talk about water and traces of life being discovered on a planet dozens of lightyears away, but how do you think that got there? That girl got upset and started throwing her ceramic pot, teacakes, and whatnot.
Sounds more like she said: "Alice is hax as **** so stats are irrelevant."Also, there’s no point in listing out and comparing your specs. You cannot defeat Alice on a much more fundamental level than that.
I think tier Unknown is good for now unless you want to scale her up from Anna/her many world destroying statements. Kamachi was stressing her psychological defenses (Hedgehog, Flamingo, Cricket bat, The Executioner) are just add ons to save her enemy from having to actually face her. It's unclear if it's referring to Live Adventures in Wonderland in a battle context or something worse.
Is it me or was Carrier the one with most feats here? Although personally I might be most hyped about Frillsand #G's destruction now being passive...
Aside from making a Carrier profile and updating Frillsand with a second key, I guess we gotta create Alice's profile. I'm kinda undecided what the tier is concerned. They said she affects the whole world, but that's pure hax, isn't it?
FairNo, you're high balling it. It's more like Phenomena Intervention joins possibilities over eachother and asserts one reality over the other (I:E you don't exist in this possibility so die) since it's based off quantum stuff
Well, Wonderland so far seems to affect only Earth unless i forgot something, but with that feat we can add "can throw objects light years away".It should be said that she has seemingly lightyears of range
Meh, just unknown is kinda meh, i guess the best we can do other than that is scale her above Frillsand then.I don't think it was said that her stats are comparable:
Sounds more like she said: "Alice is hax as **** so stats are irrelevant."
I agree with most suggested restriction except that one. Alice said the following:Frillsand #G likely cannot shoot super lightning at people, given that's explicitly Alice restraining and changing her power to something Touma could deal with instead of "you see me, I kill you"
Alice limited Frillsands power to the easier to fight stuff, but Frillsand should be able to do the things she did regardless. Well, except maybe the memory sharing that Touma said wouldn't work out without having the same brain.“The girl didn’t give Frillsand #G a power she doesn’t really have. That was simply the result of emphasizing just one aspect of her. Once she has access to all of her power, you don’t stand a chance against her.”
Yeah, she should.Kazakiri gets Non-Physical Interaction for destroying Hasuu, right?
I understood that as Alice having shifted how her power work, but not its nature, since the entire basis of artificial ghost appears to be related to electricity given the extra info we got in this volume. So she can electrocute people, but it would be more similar to how her powers normally work in that the victim would spontaneously be electrocuted, and not in that she shoots a physical lightning bolt like Mikoto.I agree with most suggested restriction except that one. Alice said the following:
Alice limited Frillsands power to the easier to fight stuff, but Frillsand should be able to do the things she did regardless. Well, except maybe the memory sharing that Touma said wouldn't work out without having the same brain.
With Youen, do we count the reflected light 3D image projection created from insect coloration/wing transparency or the "flying backpacks" using parasitic enlargement? The latter was described to be more fantastical IIRC.As for feats inside Live Adventures in Wonderland, I think anything not called out as strange or explicitly stated/shown to be an alteration of the norm should be valid as long as there aren't contradictions, as the spell takes the real world as the basis.
The illusion was the more farfetched thing to me personally, given the statement that she could make the image bigger than skyscrapers. But then again this is the same series where apparently people can tame rattlesnakes and teach them to gather into human shapes and shake their rattles in the exact way to replicate a human voice, so what do I know?With Youen, do we count the reflected light 3D image projection created from insect coloration/wing transparency or the "flying backpacks" using parasitic enlargement? The latter was described to be more fantastical IIRC.
We could also catalogue everything and note X ability was shown in Live Adventures in Wonderland if that isn't too much of a hassle.