I will only answer again because it's really annoying to see lots of claims that I disagree with and claims that... I'd like to see the source.
As I said Crowley's Hazard are not important. What is important is this quote, which is pretty much a quote from the Guidebook, which says that Sephiroth is the spiritual world of the human world.
You're missing the point of what I said, transcending numbers and grammar in this context refers to the Crowley's Hazards, the Sephiroth also being unexplainable by grammar or math means absolutely nothing.
I also never said anything about it being the spiritual world so I have no idea why you brought it up.
Agnesse SS. This book also reinforces the fact that mages are forced to create a world/temple to use magic, which causes the current Phase to be distorted.
Okay?
No, think back to NT10. Humans did not create angels and gods. Angels and Gods existed in their worlds as formless energies, but it was humanity's faith that gave them a certain form and image.
Did you read NT9? It is literally stated that our religions created these worlds, the Phases, and therefore the energy inside them, to begin with, there is no energy for them to exist before we create the Phase where they will exist, you're contradicting yourself here.
The faith part I will talk about next.
That is why the appearance of Phase beings can differ from the real angels and gods. That is Phase is only energy which has received an image and form because of the faith of humanity.
So people didn't create the 6 worlds of Buddhism or the 30 worlds of Aetir.
And If by NT10 you mean what Marian did, you're literally reading the whole thing backwards and therefore missing both my point and what Marian did.
Marian doesn't summon Phase Beings, she cuts a massive amount of Phase Energy and shapes it according a calamity from that religion, but they're not the real gods that are actual Phase Beings, what you said here is wrong because you're treating what Marian summons as actual beings when they're not, as for the faith point, it only applies to the fake ones that Marian summons, it doesn't apply to the Real Deal (not to the same extent and not in the way you're trying to imply).
And even then, you're wrong because again, the Phases and therefore the energy in them were created by the Religions, we know that from NT9, so yes, humans created the 6 worlds from Buddhism and whatever else was confirmed as being a Phase.
In our case, range also means power, because Fiamma was able to affect structures beyond the Four Worlds Surface.
First, could you give a quote saying that what he affected is beyond the surface of the Four Worlds? I don't particularly disagree, but I want to see the proof anyway.
Aleister also said that Fiamma's ceremony was very similar to his ceremony. Aleister wanted to manipulate the thickness of the phases and then create some sort of temple.
Okay, that doesn't mean they would do it on the same scale, bringing Aleister up doesn't help your case at all.
Fiamma accomplished a similar feat of summoning the Heaven Phase to Earth(possibly also manipulating the thickness of the Heaven Phase), and he also had enough energy to complete his ceremony, but Fiamma failed.
Sure, this doesn't scale to him or help anything you're trying to argue, indeed, I don't even know what's your main point anymore.
And Fiamma is comparable to the Second Adam who saved the Tree of Sephiroth from external attack[?].
Where is it ever stated that Fiamma has power on that scale? This is for sure a claim that I'd like to see the proof, at best I can see Fiamma having a similar role, but he doesn't have this power level at all.
But the power of Aiwass is unknown, unless one starts reading the actual occult books by Aleister Crowley, which states that Aiwass is 10=1, meaning it is at the very top of the top, or Keter.
First, why do y'all insist on bringing IRL things to Toaru discussions? Damn.
Aiwass's power would clearly be above the MGs with Aleister's ceremony, which is the version of Aiwass I was talking about.
Being in a human body Coronzon becomes weaker. She can't use most of her powers, due to the lack of purity in the Surface in the human world, and is forced to use human magic, and because of the strongest attacks, her body is unable to move. For her to use the human body is like torture.
Why did you even explain this, which I am pretty sure everyone here already knew, instead of answering what I actually brought up there?
Because despite the huge amount of artifacts(or other analogs) within England, the character thought specifically about the power of the archangel, which could be given out to everyone like in OT18.
Because they were talking about Curtana which is the strongest they have and they made it clear that an Archangel WOULDN'T be enough, they were talking about it exactly because it's the best not because it could resist Coronzon, you're reading something that isn't anywhere in that quote.
Also, the power everyone got in OT18 is trash tier so no idea why you brought it up.
In this text, it is unclear what was meant by the other pyramid. Was it meant that the Coronzon is a strange angel or is the Coronzon simply stronger than the Archangels, as she is able to manipulate her soul rank. The Archangels and Coronzon exist in the same hierarchy, they could even exist in parallel hierarchies as many mythologies have soul rank analogs. The same Coronzon in general from Enochian magic, it was later Aleister added it to the Tree of Sephiroth, as the 30 spheres of Aetir and the Tree of Sephiroth are comparable to each other, so passing through Aetir is similar to ascending through the Tree of Sephiroth. Therefore, I myself do not understand who is stronger and who is weaker.
Sure, sure, but you know I wasn't talking about their power in the part you quoted there, right? You claimed they had a relationship, I don't think there's any, you're just not answering anything here.
But in NT10 it is explicitly stated that if not for the Marian barrier, the power released by the Phase Beings would have caused an event of the level of Angel's Fall, or at worst would have simply destroyed the world.
Yeah, but what she does doesn't scale to anyone else because it takes the summon of multiple of them to do that.
NT20 also talks about Gabriel being able to destroy the world.
Not sure about NT20 quote about Gabriel destroying the World, but NT21 is more than likely referring to the planet when it say says "unclean world" meanwhile it also talks about the effect Gabriel had over the "entire World" which we barely saw in OT4 but was there, but given there were 4 Archangels and the World didn't completely break, so this should be enough to see how they don't scale to it.
And we're talking about weakened Phase Beings whose soul ranks have been downgraded to human level, because an Angel-level being cannot exist on the Surface of the Four Worlds, due to the level of purity. In short, the Phase Beings must have enough energy to destroy the world.
That was the case with OT angels, but NT21 Archangels aren't even implied to have been weakened.
Also, Lilith was existing in the Surface, even if her situation is technically atypical, it proves that the problem is on getting a higher soul to come to the Surface, rather than it being inherently unable to exist on it like you're implying.
Btw, Level 6 is not a SYSTEM, but only the beginning of beginnings.
Got it, I was more referring to who could fight a MG head on, I'd say a LV6 could but thanks for the info about System.
ST is universal with the BBB, not sure what about BR but it should at the very least have the same range as ST with enough stacking.
