Toaru Discussion thread New Fourms #1

[Doggo]

I just remembered additional scaling for Coronzon's durability. She would survive her own incomplete Ceremony that would destroy half the universe.

That probably only applies to her true form not avatar

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Hm. I think we need to get the scene itself here or the statement from Coronzon that says she would survive her own incomplete ceremony to determine this.

 

[Doggo]

Hm. I think we need to get the scene itself here or the statement from Coronzon that says she would survive her own incomplete ceremony to determine this.

Hey Fanta! If I may ask, when and what is your next crt about? Sorry if I'm pestering a bit

 

[Churronzon]

Hm. I think we need to get the scene itself here or the statement from Coronzon that says she would survive her own incomplete ceremony to determine this.

She can't look to individually destroy the Sephirah if she's dead.

(But even in this incomplete state, I can blow away about half the universe. It all works
out in the end as long as that half includes this planet!! For now, I eliminate the obvious
enemy. I just have to think of another way to individually destroy the Sephirah that
survive this!!)

It's also all a moot point if Coronzon is:

• A, is flat out High 1-C since she is the power source for the temple barrier,
• and B, literally from a higher plane of existence than the Magic Gods

Hey Fanta! If I may ask, when and what is your next crt about? Sorry if I'm pestering a bit

She just said end of the week at the earliest, but no promises !

 

[Doggo]

She can't look to individually destroy the Sephirah if she's dead.

It's also all a moot point if Coronzon is:

• A, is flat out High 1-C since she is the power source for the temple barrier,
• and B, literally from a higher plane of existence than the Magic Gods

This means her true from is High 1-C which makes sense with the lore. This does not scale to her avatar

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Interesting... Something to note, I suppose.

 

[Churronzon]

This means her true from is High 1-C which makes sense with the lore. This does not scale to her avatar

So you're saying she should have different keys for her power in the surface world vs in the Abyss?

 

[Doggo]

So you're saying she should have different keys for her power in the surface world vs in the Abyss?

No. We dont know much of her true form ,outside some irl myths of the character, to make a profile

 

[Churronzon]

I guess we should discuss whether she even has type 9 immortality, as GunTish mentioned.

Did she descend her entire existence or does she still simultaneously exist in the Abyss currently in the story? Does Gabriel have type 9 as well?

Basically I look for all counterarguments and play devil's advocate with myself before I make a CRT.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Here's Kamachi will provide more information about this matter... sooner or later. Off-topic, but Othinus... was she actually Odin or did she just inspire him? Or is it an odd mix of both?

 

[Churronzon]

She was the actual Odin who created the myths and legends but before she was Odin she was just a human.

Magic God Othinus had not been born a Magic God. She had used a special method to
obtain the knowledge, performed a unique ritual based on that knowledge, and broke out
of her human shell.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Thanks, Zon.

 

[Churronzon]

yea np, but GunTish would know more details about her.

Nearly all of them come from Phase Manipulation.

Shouldn't their profiles mention that their phase manipulation accomplishes the hax then similar to how Izzard's profile lists:

• warps reality with his thoughts, achieving Creation, Teleportation, Spatial Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Sleep Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Sound Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Attack Reflection, Death Manipulation etc.

So it would look like:

• Phase Manipulation achieving Law Manipulation (They have full manipulation over the Laws of the world), Time Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, Teleportation, Matter Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Elemental Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Sensory Manipulation, Changing the laws of nature, Death Manipulation, Mathematics Manipulation, Durability Negation, etc.

It'd make it a lot clearer to see what hax Nephthys would lose upon using her one-time use phase manipulation.
Renaming reality warping to phase manipulation also helps distinguish the different types of reality warping there is in this series.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Sounds about right.

 

[Churronzon]

If there are any abilities missing from profiles - inform me, and I'll add 'em to my CRT.

Might want to throw in the MGs Striking Strength that shoulda been upgraded from Mikoto's CRT.

 

[Alsotime]

There isn't enough about Takisubou combat-wise that warrants a Vs Page,

Hopefully the new spin off gives her some combat feats

Dura-Neg is enough.

Does that really count as dura neg though? Wouldn’t it be better to just point that as a part of his power null

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Power Null doesn't typically led to a situation in where one can potentially bypass one's durability and cause them to not exist anymore (or send them back to their plane of existence where they belong in the case of Gabriel) with a mere touch like Imagine Breaker does to certain supernatural beings. Power null just leds to no powers, in most cases.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Hopefully the new spin off gives her some combat feats

Also, same... But probably not since it is set before Fre/nda times. At best I can see some new combat feats for Mugino, Frenda, and Saiai, but sadly giving Takitsubo combat feats might be off the table. Here's hoping to be proven wrong, tho.

 

[XDragnoir]

Might want to throw in the MGs Striking Strength that shoulda been upgraded from Mikoto's CRT.

I hadn't noticed it because I don't really check the Striking Strength of characters, most of the times it is just a repeat of their AP.

But wtf? Why are their Strikings tier 8? It should be a flat out 5B

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

I hadn't noticed it because I don't really check the Striking Strength of characters, most of the times it is just a repeat of their AP.

But wtf? Why are their Strikings tier 8? It should be a flat out 5B

Another thing, I am including. Heh.

 

[XDragnoir]

Another thing, I am including. Heh.

Please add this as well:

The Invisible Thing should have 5B durability from blocking Fiamma's attack (no idea why it doesn't)

Anyone currently scaling to 5B (minus Fiamma and technically IT) should have 5B Striking, scaling to Coronzon and Aiwass who casually crushed IT.

 

[XDragnoir]

It's also all a moot point if Coronzon is:

• A, is flat out High 1-C since she is the power source for the temple barrier,
• and B, literally from a higher plane of existence than the Magic Gods

Being the power source for something doesn't mean you're as strong as it and like, if she was that strong by default then The Flaming Sword would be an useless spell.

 

[Churronzon]

Being the power source for something doesn't mean you're as strong as it and like, if she was that strong by default then The Flaming Sword would be an useless spell.

Damn, I knew I was right in downgrading Olivia Dunham

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

... Holy fudge. You made me remember that fringe existed. That a blast from the blast for me.

 

[Churronzon]

yah, it's a great show

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Agreed, Zon. Getting back onto topic, Coronzon capable of surviving her incomplete Ceremony of Mo Athair serves as a durability of feat of sorts, right?

 

[Doggo]

Agreed, Zon. Getting back onto topic, Coronzon capable of surviving her incomplete Ceremony of Mo Athair serves as a durability of feat of sorts, right?

If you mean her true self then yes.

 

[XDragnoir]

Agreed, Zon. Getting back onto topic, Coronzon capable of surviving her incomplete Ceremony of Mo Athair serves as a durability of feat of sorts, right?

It really doesn't, the incomplete ceremony wouldn't destroy her soul.

 

[Doggo]

It really doesn't, the incomplete ceremony wouldn't destroy her soul.

Exactly my point


Her avatar should not at all scale to the ceremony, only her true form. Even if we say she scales, it cause lots of inconsistencies in scaling, like base accel or nerfed Nephthys being galaxy level

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Eh, all of the 5-Bs are only 5-Bs due to them scaling to or above Fiamma's baseline 5-B rating due to them having nothing else to scale above of that isn't High 1-C.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

And from my recollection, High Priest was under Zombie's Layering Spell and not Aleister's nerf when he casually bodied Fiamma.

 

[Churronzon]

And from my recollection, High Priest was under Zombie's Layering Spell and not Aleister's nerf when he casually bodied Fiamma.

Nah, High Priest was hit with Aleister's nerfbat in the epilogue of volume 12 and then fought Fiamma in volume 13

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Huh, neat.

 

[Churronzon]

Just to be clear, which of post-qliphah Accelerator's feats got him to planet level?

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Fighting Nephthys.

 

[Doggo]

Just to be clear, which of post-qliphah Accelerator's feats got him to planet level?

Fighting on par with nerfed Nephthys and Coronzon?

 

[Doggo]

Just checked the toaru reddit....why is everyone shipping Accel and Coronzon?!?

 

[Doggo]

She just said end of the week at the earliest, but no promises !

Fanta is a girl?! My illusion has shattered it seems

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

It is funny. That, and Touma is too busy being shipped with Kuroko to be shipped with Coronzon

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Also, the one thousand comment is mine.