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To be canon or not to be that is the question.A Dragon ball Super revision
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brother this wiki never said it is not canon
this is like making a crt on something thats already accepted
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These are my thoughts exactly. Why isn't it treated as canon already? Like you have to jump through more hoops to assume all the references to Kai are invalid then to just see the Kai and anime only content in Super and say 'yeah that's probably canon to Super'.
Mark me down for agree obviously.
Vietthai96
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Iirc, the reason was, Kai is just DBZ Anime without filler episode so it not canon to DBS, there is probably more reasons but it forgot, cause I stopped touching this topic long ago
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My thoughts exactly.
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yes and
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I'm curious to see what Null has to say.
And can someone elaborate on what exactly will be different?
And can someone elaborate on what exactly will be different?
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from the video above you can probably guess part of it. but things will 100% change from manga counterpart
Killerdrone123
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Things from dbz Kai would be usable for dbs anime obviously
Since buhaans feat is present in dbz Kai super characters would hit 2c way earlier and would upscale from buhaans feat
This are just some examples
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The motion has my assent.
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I'm neutral for now, waiting to see Null's counter arguments.
(Gotta say, the whole idea of making the character's ratings be primarily based on filler scenes isn't something I'm entirely comfortable with. Plus does it not seem patently off that the characters in Dragon Ball Super would already be capable of destroying Universes even before Beerus show up?)
(Gotta say, the whole idea of making the character's ratings be primarily based on filler scenes isn't something I'm entirely comfortable with. Plus does it not seem patently off that the characters in Dragon Ball Super would already be capable of destroying Universes even before Beerus show up?)
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Bruh in TOEI we already have Roshi at planet level despite the narrative hinting that this level of power comes only after Vegeta. Come on man.
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I'm not saying I'm fully in favor with everything that already exists in our profiles, but I'll digress and wait for more arguments.
Just_Butchering
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I mean, great findings and all, but uh... What does this change?
Kai does add some filler/anime only stuff, but most of the crazy "toei only" feats are gone, so what's kept?
I think Kid Buu destroying galaxies is (which is huge)
Kai does add some filler/anime only stuff, but most of the crazy "toei only" feats are gone, so what's kept?
I think Kid Buu destroying galaxies is (which is huge)
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Does the Buuhan thing still exist in Kai?
Just_Butchering
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Yeah, Toei scaling is BS
Kid Buu > Buuhan and Goku and Vegeta just jumping tiers after fusing is moronic
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Facts.
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Buuhan still does his thing. Kid Buu being the most powerful form statements also still exist
Just_Butchering
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Like, as I said just before, if the added stuff is 4-A Buu, fine by me. But if it adds 2-C Buuhan and the wacky Toei scaling, then I'll have to disagree
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Well, the Boo saga from the beginning was very explicit that it wasn't just the solar system, but that was never accepted.
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Ok why? What is the big contradiction?
Them later doing the BoG feat? It's not a contradiction, remember Cell boasting about him being able to destroy the Solar System despite scaling to literally Galaxy? Yeah, not an argument here bud.
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So, the macrocosm (the three universal size realms) exists in DBZ Kai version?
Just_Butchering
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Kid Buu being the strongest is BS, as it is everyone scaling to 2-C out of the blue mid arc ("Post-Vegito Division"? Why would that be a power up????)
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I believe there are no quotes about the sky being as big as the Universe in DBK.
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Look, I 100% get you.
Kid Buu being > Buuhan is dumb. Screw Toei for that.
But they did insert a bajillion statements saying so. Before, during and after the fight. So their intention is clear.
And the only way to compartmentalize that is to assume they intended for Goku/Vegeta to get a powerup after Vegito, since Goku also fought Ultimate Gohan in a lesser form.
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What is against it in DBS Anime?
Argument off incredulity AAAAAAAAH.
Killerdrone123
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We would now be able to use the daizenshu statement for heaven to upgrade kaioshin realm size so yes
Killerdrone123
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Again what contradicts super characters not being 2c before bog heck more so it justifies there macrocosm destroying feat in super and also solidifies the fact that god Goku is stronger than buhaan and vegito since he can throw around this macrocosm destroying punches casually while buhaan needed to throw a triumph
Just_Butchering
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I know they did, but that doesn't make it non sensical
Is against DBZ logic
So, Goku and Vegeta desperately needed the fusion in other to defeat a version of Buu, but then they can fight a far stronger version on their without a single piece of explanation other than "we defuse? what?" and you react like that's logical in powerscaling or story-telling? Good to know people involve here are all analyzing this with a critical mind...
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You know, will this end up removing all the DBS stuff from the DBZ manga profiles?
Fezzih_007
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You know that being sarcastic don't change much breh, that's still how the show portray the scene and how we accept.
Ghengiroo115
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Neutral, leaning towards agreeing. If accepted then I don’t see an issue with using 2-C Buuhan, especially considering we already accept stuff like 3-C Cell for full Toei canon.
On the topic of 2-C Kid Buu and stuff, I’m neutral. On the one hand you have the many superiority statements of Kid Buu, as well as Goku and Vegeta fighting clones of Ultimate Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks. On the other hand you have Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo all scaling to said SSJ3 Gotenks for literally no reason. Not only does it make no sense on its own, but it also means Piccolo got a much greater power boost than all the others just… because I guess? So yeah I don’t really care either way.
On the topic of 2-C Kid Buu and stuff, I’m neutral. On the one hand you have the many superiority statements of Kid Buu, as well as Goku and Vegeta fighting clones of Ultimate Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks. On the other hand you have Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo all scaling to said SSJ3 Gotenks for literally no reason. Not only does it make no sense on its own, but it also means Piccolo got a much greater power boost than all the others just… because I guess? So yeah I don’t really care either way.
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Just_Butchering
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Apologies, but saying it was "off incredulity" when the plot and story itself doesn't even bother to make sense of it was just rude.
That's... A good question.
Killerdrone123
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If the stuff is present in Dragon ball super manga then no We would just need to replace the scans and add manga scans
If they are not present in dbs manga then yes
Fezzih_007
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That's fair
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