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Alien x was not restricted in the db matchWe are not doing this as death battle match otherwise Alien x won't be restricted too
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Alien x was not restricted in the db matchWe are not doing this as death battle match otherwise Alien x won't be restricted too
That’s assuming he goes into clockwork, anyways. It’s more plausible he has no idea how much stronger Hal is, and doesn’t preemptively go into an alien that can regenerate as a result.He doesn't have any resistance to time manip in his profile, it's not my problem if it is outdated someone better upgrade it than also moving in timeless voids doesn't neccesary gives you resistance against time manip otherwise a lot of characters like Base Ben would get it(W PFP btw)
Yeah ikr but the way They downplayed him was so bad, also i'm talking about this matchAlien x was not restricted in the db match
it is actually OP's problem because he thought it was a good idea to use an outdated profile against benHe doesn't have any resistance to time manip in his profile, it's not my problem if it is outdated)
Most likely failsafe would turn hım into an Alien who can regenerate or maybe Ben realizes the AP difference in another Alien form and The Omnitrix would transform him into Clockwork after that still works anyways, clockwork can use bfr,age manip,timestop,timeslow,timeaccel etc...That’s assuming he goes into clockwork, anyways. It’s more plausible he has no idea how much stronger Hal is, and doesn’t preemptively go into an alien that can regenerate as a result.
Okayit is actually OP's problem because he thought it was a good idea to use an outdated profile against ben
watch me upgrade hal to immeasurable speed
Huh, funny.Hal should legitimately shit-stomp
No, it doesn't..
Info Analysis from the ring would work on a molecular level on all of his aliens
He COULD, but he doesn't uses practically any of his haxes since the 60's, they're not "standard" moves, or even used at all. They are older that our parents, those abilities are practically useless as the current standards for how DC manages Green Lanterns.Hal massively outhaxes every individual alien.
He hasn't been shown de powering something that doesn't have powers at all. Ben's aliens don't have powers, it's all biology, is line saying Hal can déposer a human of the ability to "turn food into poop", lol.He can power null them.
Sure, but not only he hasn't used that ability when he had to during recent times, but even if he does, Feedback would amp as with his energy, making Hal a non stop supply of energy to Ben.Utilize absorption himself or amp himself with his own willpower to gain energy back after it’s absorbed.
Sure, but he can't copy Clockwork, or Feedback level of absortion.Legit mimic his powers with the ring.
Hal doesn't "blast" anything at AZ, he needs to tram the opponent in a sphere, and drop the temperature at that level.Blast him with absolute zero.
Aight, if you think that, go and make a CRT so you can uograde him.This isn’t even mentioning how ridiculously outdated Hal’s profile is.
Ha, sounds incredibly hyperbolic, and it's not like that helps with time manip.Time manipulation? What an utter joke, from the guy who was stated to fly so fast that in an instant infinity folded upon itself
Again, is not even the same.A guy who’s flown in places with no space and time.
Ok, now I'm questions if you have read something that is not from Pre-Crisis.Who’s casually flown back in time.
Now without sounding so fanboy, ok.Ben 10 is no threat to Guy Gardner, much less Hal Jordan.
How does he realize the AP difference before he dies? The moment any construct hits him, he dies.Most likely failsafe would turn hım into an Alien who can regenerate or maybe Ben realizes the AP difference in another Alien form and The Omnitrix would transform him into Clockwork after that still works anyways, clockwork can use bfr,age manip,timestop,timeslow,timeaccel etc...
Omnitrix has immeresuable speed amp when it's failsafe also it has high regen which he can be survive from the attackHow does he realize the AP difference before he dies? The moment any construct hits him, he dies.
We don't have to assume Ben goes for anything.That’s assuming he goes into clockwork, anyways. It’s more plausible he has no idea how much stronger Hal is, and doesn’t preemptively go into an alien that can regenerate as a result.
For the same reason as why Alien X isn't blinking half of the verse out of existence.bro why is speed equalized
speed was not equalized in the death battle match
Just facts.Huh, funny.
Point to me where I said weakness in my sentence. Also, it blatantly states in the profile DNA is included, especially that of aliens.No, it doesn't.
He allowed Barry a telescopic visor, not something that tells you weaknesses or something like that at that level. Actually, his information analysis is about vitals, genetics, etc, it wouldn't tell him about weaknesses of something he doesn't know, especially because that's not how it works.
And just like Ben COULD do those things, I just listed wincons Hal COULD do. That’s really it.He COULD, but he doesn't uses practically any of his haxes since the 60's, they're not "standard" moves, or even used at all. They are older that our parents, those abilities are practically useless as the current standards for how DC manages Green Lanterns.
He says he stole Amazo’s powers, and he could reject people’s powers through energy dampening fields. Biology is pretty irrelevant.He hasn't been shown de powering something that doesn't have powers at all. Ben's aliens don't have powers, it's all biology, is line saying Hal can déposer a human of the ability to "turn food into poop", lol.
Don’t know why you’re arguing semantics, blast is just me being synonymous with hit or attack with. No real thought beyond that is necessary.Hal doesn't "blast" anything at AZ, he needs to tram the opponent in a sphere, and drop the temperature at that level.
And even then, it's not like Ben doesn't have counter against that.
Can you prove that? And infinite speed would be above basic time manipulation, so.Ha, sounds incredibly hyperbolic, and it's not like that helps with time manip.
Sure, I guess.Again, is not even the same.
That’s pretty irrelevant to what I said, I said he has, and the reason it’s difficult now is due to the merging of timelines.Ok, now I'm questions if you have read something that is not from Pre-Crisis.
Hal can't time travel anymore, textually said in Post-Crisis and Rebirth eras.
Just as soon as you get off your knees for Ben 10, since you wanna go insult for insult.Now without sounding so fanboy, ok.
Yeah, that’s fine, and the best choice can still be not enough given the AP disparity. And even if it is the best choice, it’s not like he inherently understands why it’s the best choice. We’ve seen Ben dozens of times wish for Humongsaur yet get something different, so it’s not as if he’s going to understand the peak optimization instantly.We don't have to assume Ben goes for anything.
Is OV Ben, the watch would turn him into the best choice for the job, even if he aims for something else.
The AI was so advance at that that he gave 11y/o Ben in Teen Ben body the right alien for the quest that his older younger self made 5 years ago, events that didn't happen at all.
bro this is lyingYes, in HIS verse he needs to will enough power against enemies above his normal level.
If you say so, dude.Just facts.
Sure, but in "can see trought" not "he scans and knows what they could do" wise.Point to me where I said weakness in my sentence. Also, it blatantly states in the profile DNA is included, especially that of aliens.
The difference? Ben is not the one who chooses, the Omnitrix does all the "picking the right alien" thing for him. Hal needs to have the personality to have all of these wincons, Ben just needs to slap his wrist and that's it.And just like Ben COULD do those things, I just listed wincons Hal COULD do. That’s really it
Amazo is a machine, they don't work even at the same basis. He copies the abilities and replicates them with his "biology", which is not organic at all.He says he stole Amazo’s powers, and he could reject people’s powers through energy dampening fields. Biology is pretty irrelevant.
Is relevant because is not the same "blast him and is done" to "we need to trap that kid into an sphere".Don’t know why you’re arguing semantics, blast is just me being synonymous with hit or attack with. No real thought beyond that is necessary.
Man, you're the one who needs to prove that it'd give that that resistance.Can you prove that? And infinite speed would be above basic time manipulation, so.
That was at the beginning of Post Crisis, now is completely impossible for them to do it. This is current Hal, not Pre-Crisis Hal.That’s pretty irrelevant to what I said, I said he has, and the reason it’s difficult now is due to the merging of timelines.
Sure, bub.Just as soon as you get off your knees for Ben 10, since you wanna go insult for insult.
Her profile is outdated.bro this is lying
Star Stapphire is rated as 4-B and the ring did not kill her because Hal did not will that
and thats ur problem coz ur the one who made this matchHer profile is outdated.
All of DC's 4-Bs are supposed to be 2-C thanks to scaling to charecters at that level
Clockwork can just bypass any AP advantage via Time Hax. During OV he started to slow / stop time when he fought something swifter than him (like how GL is) and Feedback would just amp at the same (or above, actually) level of Jordan the moment he turns into himYeah, that’s fine, and the best choice can still be not enough given the AP disparity.
This is EoS Ben via SBA, he understood how that works by the end of Omniverse.And even if it is the best choice, it’s not like he inherently understands why it’s the best choice. We’ve seen Ben dozens of times wish for Humongsaur yet get something different, so it’s not as if he’s going to understand the peak optimization instantly.
Point to me where I said that. Stop fighting ghosts and actually attack the substance of my arguments.Sure, but in "can see trought" not "he scans and knows what they could do" wise.
Sure.The difference? Ben is not the one who chooses, the Omnitrix does all the "picking the right alien" thing for him. Hal needs to have the personality to have all of these wincons, Ben just needs to slap his wrist and that's it.
I don’t see why it would matter if it’s biological or not. As for escaping, how?Amazo is a machine, they don't work even at the same basis. He copies the abilities and replicates them with his "biology", which is not organic at all.
And again, fields. Something that Ben can escape or just Hal wouldn't do at all.
I’m not playing semantics with you lol, you very clearly understood what I meant when I explained it.Is relevant because is not the same "blast him and is done" to "we need to trap that kid into an sphere".
Time doesn’t work if you can move in 0 seconds. There are also levels of time manipulation, so even if he did have infinite speed (he does), it wouldn’t be an anti-feat.Man, you're the one who needs to prove that it'd give that that resistance.
And not at all, Hal has been affected by time manipulators before, so even if he had inf speed (he doesn't), he would still be affected.
Sure?That was at the beginning of Post Crisis, now is completely impossible for them to do it. This is current Hal, not Pre-Crisis Hal.
Glad you found your manners.Sure, bub.
Lmao.and thats ur problem coz ur the one who made this match
if the profile lists it as 4-B then it stays as 4-B until you make a CRT
It actually is the same for SapphireLmao.
If you think that's the same, you're hilarious my friend. Carol profile is outdated, she'd be around 4-C, I don't care, it's irrelevant
That's the only "useful" thing that he could do with that ability, which he can't do.Point to me where I said that. Stop fighting ghosts and actually attack the substance of my arguments.
It's just not the same method. Altering a robot is not the same as altering a biological living thing. Especially from something that you don't even know how it worksI don’t see why it would matter if it’s biological or not. As for escaping, how?
Sure.I’m not playing semantics with you lol, you very clearly understood what I meant when I explained it.
It was a random time manipulators machine, it wasn't even a cool one, it was just time dilation and Jordan was unable to escale.Time doesn’t work if you can move in 0 seconds. There are also levels of time manipulation.
If the arguments for Hal having Inf Speed are those, I'm not surprised at why he hasn't that speedso even if he did have infinite speed (he does)
So? They are still stronger than sapphireAnd it doesn't matter at all, the only 4-A alien is Atomix and Amped Eatle.
He wouldn't KO, he would kill them.So? They are still stronger than sapphire
Every single one of Ben’s aliens are getting KO’d
Man, if you think that Ben's like that, then you didn't watch the show at all.Funny to see Ben fans theorizing how Ben can outsmart the opponent when he, in-canon, is like:
Humungousaur
I literally gave you evidence as to why he wouldn’t kill and all you said was ‘nuh uh profile outdated’He wouldn't KO, he would kill them.
Either make a CRT to change that or don’t argue this point at allAnd dude, stop that, Sapphire is not 4-C, those are outdated profiles
Disagree =/= Misunderstandingbro just because i disagree does not mean i don't understand the poin
Why are you scared to debate it then?calling me a troll when u tried to make ben have plot manipulation is wild
Not surprised you accepting yourself as a trolli agree but hes taking it too far
scared? you are the one trying to act all tough and trying to take a kids debate on discord where no one can seeWhy are you scared to debate it then?
Ben is not starting with feedbackFeedback absorbs Hal's life force and calls it a day.
The failsafe is useless here because Ben's alien's are getting KO'dHal has no way around the Omnitrix's failsafe and high regen.
Answer:Yes, in HIS verse he needs to will enough power against enemies above his normal level.
Hal is at minimum 3-C, he would kill Ben with literally his a casual slap.
The Omnitrix would turn him into the best option, Feedback or Clockwork, or Big Chill.
"Hal has non physical interaction" Yes, but only to intangibility at molecular level, Ben's aliens are atomic (or smaller) level of intangibility.
"If the user is somehow overcome by fear, he will be unable to use the ring and will become vulnerable to the color yellow."
Hal's willpower is easily bypassing ToepickAnswer:
Yes, the Toepick and Pesky Dust could be useful against Green Lantern, especially because of this weakness:
In this case, Ben could use the Toepick to scare Hal Jordan and neutralize his ability to use the ring, or use the Pesky Dust to put him to sleep, rendering him harmless.
Omnitrix Grants him resistance to transmutationBen is not starting with feedback
even if feedback could absorb emotional energy, hal can counter absorption via transmutation, using magnets, use mind hax or freeze him via absolute zero
The failsafe is useless here because Ben's alien's are getting KO'd
failsafe does not protect from knockout
i knowOmnitrix Grants him resistance to transmutation
To tell the truth, he wouldn't start with a brute-force alien since the Omnitrix's random/AI mode wouldn't let him get a brute-force alien. Since the AI has a knack for understanding complicated contexts and situations, sometimes it lets Ben make bad choices even with the watch so he can learn a lesson; for example, he tries to hack the Omnitrix and the Omnitrix gets bugged, has the transformations escaped and turns Kevin into a monster. The Omnitrix could have easily reversed all of this but it didn't.the logic still works here
Ben starts with using a brute force alien and ends up getting knocked out
To tell the truth, he wouldn't start with a brute-force alien since the Omnitrix's random/AI mode wouldn't let him get a brute-force alien. Since the AI has a knack for understanding complicated contexts and situations, sometimes it lets Ben make bad choices even with the watch so he can learn a lesson; for example, he tries to hack the Omnitrix and the Omnitrix gets bugged, has the transformations escaped and turns Kevin into a monster. The Omnitrix could have easily reversed all of this but it didn't.
Then be a man and pull up to debate instead of continuously running away while being fearhaxed. Or better option would be to not claim bs which you can't back up.scared? you are the one trying to act all tough and trying to take a kids debate on discord where no one can see
you are not 12