By strength. Except the Fanged Deserter is as strong as Lu. So this is an irrelevant argument. Fanged Deserter can "cause someone's neck to be torn out" on a touch, too- except that's just by biting them.
This seems to say otherwise
Not by strength. By causing an overpressure in the blood vessels that explodes the heart. And that was with a (for her standards) weak punch against an opponent tough enough to not have his neck broken despite her hanging him with a rope around the neck with all her strength. (as the quote says, she had no footing at all (mid-air), no initial inertia from running or anything and was using only one hand)
It's 30% chance if it hits, to be clear. The chance to hit in the first place comes on top of that. As said, if Lu's chance to block is more than 52% without Omen, then even using both Omens on the throw it is still more likely not to work.
You counted my vote for Lu Niang when I have voted for the Fanged Deserter. The actual tally is 8 for Lu, 7 for Fanged Deserter, which is not grace.
I'm also convinced Fanged FRA
I need to sleep sometimes, man.
I from the beginning was talking about her going close combat. Didn't bring up the lethal chest touch technique, because I forgot her internal organ exploding worked that way until I looked it up myself.
Ehm, not sure how exactly you wish to get "far more likely than I portray it". As said, it's a 30% chance upon hit with Omen and even if she is skill wise just above mook summoners, she would still have the skill to reliably defend. Even by the lowest possible assumptions, FD fails with that strategy more often than not. That's just the math of it.
I think it is.
So every fighter with any level of ability to make predictions should have precognition? If I can aimdodge due to expecting the attack that's precognitive? I'm pretty sure there are still levels to that.
Ehm, that really doesn't counter the argument. Lu can throw stuff hard enough to divert a horseshoes direction. They aren't that far apart in strength. And she has the necessary skill to hit it reliably, both by own feats and scaling.
Wizard teeth increase damage, they don't improve his wielding capabilities.
By the same token, Lu getting a chest hit in at all has a 100% chance of instant killing FD. So how are the odds now?
No, your argument was "why can't FD not dual wield sword and horseshoe" to which my response was "well, has he ever demonstrated to dual wield?".
No, I say that there is no proof whatsoever of your standard tactic. I'm not saying he doesn't know how to swing his sword or throw his horseshoe well. I'm saying there is no evidence that he will go for horseshoe centered combat in this instance and use his Omens to further amplify it. Because we don't know which weapon FD prefers to use in close combat or to block attacks. We don't know whether he prefers to use his Omens for offense or defense. This are assumptions you make without evidence. You assume having been in the military equates to him fighting like you think is the best way to fight, even though that's not what characters always do.
Lu can instant kill human like beings, FD is a human-like being. Guess she doesn't need evidence to focus entirely on the heart-explode technique.
Profile lists them further down in more detail. It's good enough.
Well, whether he has all of that in a cart or in a pile lying around him, if he doesn't carry all of it he won't have the opportunity to get any of it out during battle. So the "in a cart" equipment is pretty irrelevant.
Not by the existence of throwing knives as much as the fact that they seemingly appear out of nowhere. Lu always looks unarmed until she pulls out a new thing.
Impossible in speed equal, as bow needs more movement.
@DemonicDude You do realize Lu has a 100% working technique and hence the statistical advantage on that front? Just saying, 1/6 vs 6/6.
And here is her accurately hitting the joints and tendons of at least 7 professional soldiers with over 20 darts.
It's said that literally nobody can outdo Lu in unarmed fighting, i.e. she has world-class skill.
(given, Elvast was thought to be dead at that point)
And, just to be clear, that kick would have shredded Kyousuke's organs if it weren't for him mitigating it.
Any reason FD would do better in close combat than Kyousuke?
You, from the beginning, have asserted quite a few strategies while harping on me for suggesting Fanged Deserter may be varied, too. Though I will cede the vibration manip bit, as it was simply not explained on the profile and I had not been aware that's what it was referring to. That probably ought to be fixed, too, by the way.
The chance to hit, lad. Not the chance to instant kill. Those are two separate numbers. The chance to instant kill is 30% with a hit, using Omens. So every time FD strikes, from range, that's a flat 30% chance to kill Lu instantly. He can, in fact, attack multiple times. This provides a fairly noteworthy advantage and one that is better than Lu's touch based attack, which I believe we have established is not really an opening move for her (at least, you haven't argued it is despite that being called into question). Therefore FD holds an advantage in that department. You keep assuming FD can only attack once. Very strange indeed.
No, DontTalk. You are arguing Lu scales above a flat 3-10 seconds of prediction. This is precognition. Objectively. Change the precognition page if you want, do what you will. Either add Precognition to the page by CRT, or drop the point, coz it's irritating.
I am aware of what wizard teeth do. They still increase his combat efficiency. If Lu is struck, even if the attack does not insta-kill, Fanged Deserter is objectively dealing more damage than Lu's "basic attacks", thanks to the wizard teeth. It is a noteworthy factor.
In that he doesn't resist the ability that, apparently, she uses so little that you forgot she actually had it, then yeah, that would kill. However there are non-mathematical contexts that are being ignored. Firstly, FD's instant kill is ranged. Secondly, she has to actually touch the guy encased in armor, which is harder than just attacking him normally. Thirdly, aforementioned fact that it seems she rarely uses the ability, or at least to an insignificant degree. Not so for FD. So, honestly? Odds are looking pretty ******' good.
I'm saying there's no reason not to, though. I agree, as a non-character and rather a player-controlled character, there is no set strategy he is shown to go by. However, this is irrelevant when we can determine the easily chosen best strategy. The Dovahkiin has no set strategies by the same traits as FD, he is a player-controlled avatar, and yet against a flying enemy we can reasonably say he would use his special abilities that cause them to fall, right? By that same token, the FD can be reasonably assumed to use his best tools in situations where it is easily observable that those would be his best tools. His horseshoe is his best tool against medium to small sized enemies (in tabletop lingo, basically means anything roughly human sized). We don't need to have author-approved statements proving he won't just stick his sword up his ass and dance himself to death to say, reasonably, he will not do it. Thus the point falls flat when you say, "I want proof he will use his best weapons".
Shit's a two way street homie, though it is funny you're abandoning all that character action stuff you've been arguing for so long.
Makes for a poor profile but I suppose I've left enough poor profiles in my wake that I'm not one to judge too much.
...why, outta curiosity? I don't think the cart equipment is a huge boon outside of putting those silly little weapon variety arguments to bed, but why can't he grab them? Does she have Cart Sealing, too?
In a situation where she's forced to move at the same speed as her opponent I suspect this is less of an issue. However, that trick would only seem to work once, really. If someone chucks knives at you, and you learn they can do so without being seen well, then you now know they can do that. Whether they throw them invisibly is borderline irrelevant, you can simply act as though they will throw them.
Not much, no. Grab arrow, nock it, release. Slightly more movement than throwing knives, which is slightly more than melee attacking. So certainly not enough to make much of a difference.
Well it's a good thing grace periods last 24 hours (In case there is an event of an FRA train)
Don't worry, this text wall you put here can be used on the next threads if FD does get through
Let her, I've no intention to come back for more threads after this lol. I actually think right now we're technically in grace for Incon, based on the rules, but it's vague as hell and I've never really cared much.
I mean, I am the one who submitted Fanged Deserter. Just do the coin toss
This is fair, Pepper submitted the guy, not I. I just don't want to come to more of these. Absolutely down to being called in for thematic fights but I wouldn't call this one of those, hah.
