I need to sleep sometimes, man.
sure, but when you reply to bits and pieces after dipping out, it gives off a certain impression
Of course, I jest. Though you do give the impression of avoiding certain bits to think up a response.
I from the beginning was talking about her going close combat. Didn't bring up the lethal chest touch technique, because I forgot her internal organ exploding worked that way until I looked it up myself.
It's not pressure points btw. It works via shockwaves, which is why she has vibration manipulation listed.
Also rather ironic to have you complain about assumptions regarding standard tactic in this fight, seeing as you didn't provide any evidence of Fanged Deserters tactic being what you claim it is.
You, from the beginning, have asserted quite a few strategies while harping on me for suggesting Fanged Deserter may be varied, too. Though I will cede the vibration manip bit, as it was simply not explained on the profile and I had not been aware that's what it was referring to. That probably ought to be fixed, too, by the way.
Ehm, not sure how exactly you wish to get "far more likely than I portray it". As said, it's a 30% chance upon hit with Omen and even if she is skill wise just above mook summoners, she would still have the skill to reliably defend. Even by the lowest possible assumptions, FD fails with that strategy more often than not. That's just the math of it.
It gets even less likely when you put invisibility on top of that btw.
The chance to hit, lad. Not the chance to instant kill. Those are two separate numbers. The chance to instant kill is 30% with a hit, using Omens. So every time FD strikes, from range, that's a flat 30% chance to kill Lu instantly. He can, in fact, attack multiple times. This provides a fairly noteworthy advantage and one that is better than Lu's touch based attack, which I believe we have established is not really an opening move for her (at least, you haven't argued it is despite that being called into question). Therefore FD holds an advantage in that department. You keep assuming FD can only attack once. Very strange indeed.
Invisibility is still not really a tremendous mitigation of this advantage, due to the fact that invisibility exists in MORK BORG and it isn't too much of a deterrent there, either.
So every fighter with any level of ability to make predictions should have precognition? If I can aimdodge due to expecting the attack that's precognitive? I'm pretty sure there are still levels to that.
Anyway, as said, she is vastly more skilled than people who have skill on such a level. And especially, vastly more skilled than mook summoners which is enough to block the horseshoe.
If you think she should have precognition listed by that reason, feel free to make a CRT. I don't mind.
No, DontTalk. You are arguing Lu scales above a flat 3-10 seconds of prediction. This is precognition. Objectively. Change the precognition page if you want, do what you will. Either add Precognition to the page by CRT, or drop the point, coz it's irritating.
Ehm, that really doesn't counter the argument. Lu can throw stuff hard enough to divert a horseshoes direction. They aren't that far apart in strength. And she has the necessary skill to hit it reliably, both by own feats and scaling.
I would say it is, actually, a counter-argument. You're expecting Lu to constantly be parrying ranged attacks and doling out attacks of her own, and presumably closing the gap. You mentioned an action economy, yet you constantly ignore it. Lu can only manage a select amount of these things. Now, I won't pretend to know which she's doing, but FD can still capitalize on these things. Like it or not, the dude is a competent fighter. So no, deflecting things wouldn't be the ideal strategy outside of a Shonen anime/manga/what have you.
Wizard teeth increase damage, they don't improve his wielding capabilities.
What you are missing is the fact that Lu can throw several weapons with one hand and uses both, while simultanously preparing for a close combat follow up. That stuff she can do. He will have 6 weapons flying at him and at that point while she goes for close combat. He isn't blocking 6 simultanous projectile, so at best he can dodge all of them, but then he is open for Lu's follow up attack and not ready to counter attack in a serious manner.
I am aware of what wizard teeth do. They still increase his combat efficiency. If Lu is struck, even if the attack does not insta-kill, Fanged Deserter is objectively dealing more damage than Lu's "basic attacks", thanks to the wizard teeth. It is a noteworthy factor.
I mean. I hate to give as simple an argument as this, but dodge lmao. You keep saying "he would never block x y or z" but the far simpler answer is to dodge or use cover. Whether he would block them or not is irrelevant, he does use shields, but when there's a better strategy for dealing with random sporadic projectiles, why even bother debating that point? Furthermore, assuming he gets hit by some amount of these throwing knives, I'd say his 30% chance to just kill the girl is objectively a better use of the aforementioned action economy.
By the same token, Lu getting a chest hit in at all has a 100% chance of instant killing FD. So how are the odds now?
What you are ignoring is that defending against the horseshoe is very much possible, so he still needs to get hits in first. Which isn't easy as, as I say again and again, even the most basic fighters the verse can managed hitting 3 projectiles flying through the air in precise fashion and Lu is beyond them in skill by far.
And what does FD have left in the scenarios where it doesn't work? Outside of horseshoe instant kill with Omen usage he has no advantages. If he doesn't get that he's screwed against Lu.
Btw. your math is wrong. 2 chances would only be 30%. To get it in 50% of cases he would have to hit 4 times. I dare say Lu prevents him from getting that horseshoe back way before that. He doesn't get 4 chances.
In that he doesn't resist the ability that, apparently, she uses so little that
you forgot she actually had it, then yeah, that would kill. However there are non-mathematical contexts that are being ignored. Firstly, FD's instant kill is ranged. Secondly, she has to actually touch the guy encased in armor, which is harder than just attacking him normally. Thirdly, aforementioned fact that it seems she rarely uses the ability, or at least to an insignificant degree. Not so for FD. So, honestly? Odds are looking pretty ******' good.
Oh, sure, I'm not ignoring that at all. I just think its harder than defending against a really small projectile like a throwing knife or a common sword. I'm aware she's fast and whatnot, though speed equalized may tinker with your point a smidge, but that doesn't really stop FD from eventually hitting. And if he does, there is a not inconsequential chance that the fight's over right there. Even if it isn't over, FD will be dealing more damage with his attacks thanks to wizard teeth. So he needs less (barring the vibration manip) attacks to put down Lu. Interestingly, and this isn't really an argument from me but rather providing a little bit more intel, Fanged Deserter does have far better accuracy than anyone else in the verse for one particular weapon- his teeth. I do wonder how that might play out.
Outside of invisibility and her insta-kill (which is lesser than FD's), Lu doesn't have much, either, DT. We're arguing in the realms of small pages, here. That said, FD does possess some other interesting abilities. His poison can be added to his weapons to deter her in melee or ranged combat alike, he can heal himself (should he get away, though I find this unlikely to even be attempted given his proclivity to violence), etc. He's certainly not as helpless as you'd think. I admit, though, that despite these things being listed in standard equipment, they are linked in optional equipment. I think that's something to do with the fact that Fanged Deserter has different ability sections than the rest of the PCs due to not being able to use Powers. I'll get on fixing that but for the purposes of this match it ought to be fine.
No, your argument was "why can't FD not dual wield sword and horseshoe" to which my response was "well, has he ever demonstrated to dual wield?".
I... agree to disagree, I guess, lol? I know what I was arguing, I think this (fairly minor) point mostly comes down to misinterpretation.
No, I say that there is no proof whatsoever of your standard tactic. I'm not saying he doesn't know how to swing his sword or throw his horseshoe well. I'm saying there is no evidence that he will go for horseshoe centered combat in this instance and use his Omens to further amplify it. Because we don't know which weapon FD prefers to use in close combat or to block attacks. We don't know whether he prefers to use his Omens for offense or defense. This are assumptions you make without evidence. You assume having been in the military equates to him fighting like you think is the best way to fight, even though that's not what characters always do.
I said above that I find it ironic that you complain about her using the heart-explode technique. By the logic you're displaying here, the fact that Lu is a skilled assassin should be proof enough, since she skills so she will use her techniques in the way we think is best, no? No. It's not that way. For neither side. Difference is Lu has showings of her combat style and FD not.
I'm saying there's no reason not to, though. I agree, as a non-character and rather a player-controlled character, there is no set strategy he is shown to go by. However, this is irrelevant when we can determine the easily chosen best strategy. The Dovahkiin has no set strategies by the same traits as FD, he is a player-controlled avatar, and yet against a flying enemy we can reasonably say he would use his special abilities that cause them to fall, right? By that same token, the FD can be reasonably assumed to use his best tools in situations where it is easily observable that those would be his best tools. His horseshoe is his best tool against medium to small sized enemies (in tabletop lingo, basically means anything roughly human sized). We don't need to have author-approved statements proving he won't just stick his sword up his ass and dance himself to death to say, reasonably, he will not do it. Thus the point falls flat when you say, "I want proof he will use his best weapons".
I point out the problem of her heart technique because as you love speaking about at great length, Lu has a set character. In this instance it is a weakness, not a strength. Lu is not a playable character for whom we can assume reasonable actions. She will, at times, make unreasonable decisions that will cause her disadvantages, whether she is aware of this fact or not. That is simply the way of it. Shit's a two-way street, homie.
Lu can instant kill human like beings, FD is a human-like being. Guess she doesn't need evidence to focus entirely on the heart-explode technique.
Characters don't work that way. You don't know whether he likes relying on a throwing weapon with instant death chance over just killing people normally. You have no evidence for that stuff.
Shit's a two way street homie, though it is funny you're abandoning all that character action stuff you've been arguing for so long.
Profile lists them further down in more detail. It's good enough.
Anyways, evidence that he is skilled in dual wielding weapons to the point that he would do that? The mere capability to hold a weapon in each hand doesn't mean that you can effectively fight like that.
And Lu can also dodge. Not that you forget that.
Makes for a poor profile but I suppose I've left enough poor profiles in my wake that I'm not one to judge too much.
As for evidence, actually it's a book I got rather recently and we've just started poring over. HERETIC will usher in the next few pages of MORK BORG, scarce as they are. Anywho, the book provides rules for dual wielding and even individuals lesser than soldiers can master it easily enough. The next quote will be the text, unless you'd prefer a scan:
You’re no trained soldier,
but you think two weapons
should help you kill twice as fast.
It hasn’t failed you yet.
You suffer
no penalty when
attacking with two
weapons: you roll
both damage dice
and combine
the results.
This is part of the feat system of MORK BORG, basically means of giving appropriate powers to the classes.
Oh, never, DT, never at all. I've never ignored Lu's ability to move out of the way of danger, only you for FD. I promise.
Well, whether he has all of that in a cart or in a pile lying around him, if he doesn't carry all of it he won't have the opportunity to get any of it out during battle. So the "in a cart" equipment is pretty irrelevant.
...why, outta curiosity? I don't think the cart equipment is a huge boon outside of putting those silly little weapon variety arguments to bed, but why can't he grab them? Does she have Cart Sealing, too?
Not by the existence of throwing knives as much as the fact that they seemingly appear out of nowhere. Lu always looks unarmed until she pulls out a new thing.
In a situation where she's forced to move at the same speed as her opponent I suspect this is less of an issue. However, that trick would only seem to work once, really. If someone chucks knives at you, and you learn they can do so without being seen well, then you now know they can do that. Whether they throw them invisibly is borderline irrelevant, you can simply act as though they will throw them.
Impossible in speed equal, as bow needs more movement.
Not much, no. Grab arrow, nock it, release. Slightly more movement than throwing knives, which is slightly more than melee attacking. So certainly not enough to make much of a difference.
I realize the 1/6 vs 6/6 argument wasn't directed at me but even you must understand that's bullshit lol
