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Tier 8-B: The Ultimate Quest Tournament (2022): SEMI-FINAL Big Boss vs The Player

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Semi-Final:
Rules:
  • Same Rules as stated in the Tournament.
  • Speed Equalized
  • Random encounters no prior knowledge to anybody or of the location.
  • Distance: Fighting distance for every matchup will be 30 meters.
  • Location: The Island of Lemon located on The Nierre’s Heaven.
Let's see who wins this and goes to the Finale, Since this is a Semi Final stakes are high are these two are no joke when it comes to battle they both are allowed to use all of the weapons and equipment they have in Tier 8-B.
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Result:
Big Boss: ,7 (Baken, Chariot, None, Soma, Popted2, Fanta, Veloxt)
The Player: 2 (Psychomaster, Speedster)
Inconclusive:
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Hohohoh, just like my 8-B WFinals...

Since Big Boss is basically comparable to Snake due to an identical moveset, I’ll just copy+paste what I have stated in here, along with some new points.

To start off, the Player has the AP And durability advantage of almost 2x (48 tons VS Big Boss’s 25 tons). The Player is also more versatile thanks to owning over 900 weapons (which includes weapons giving in various effects such as some healing the Player up to 12% of their health every second, disabling jumping temporarily upon hitting, cut AP in half temporarily, etc), and as such they have pretty much seen other players use these same weapons and therefore would know how to counter them. Since most of Big Boss’s arsenal is basic guns and explosives, the Player would already know to continuously strafe/block with shields and keep their distance. Of course, Big Boss has some unique ones like his stun grenades which the Player hasn’t seen before.

On the other hand, Big Boss has more experience and is likely much deadlier in close quarters combat, especially with the LS advantage to potentially incapacitate the Player. However, the Player has access to their pets (~80), and while they might not do as much damage as the Player themselves, they would still be worth trouble, especially the Eagle Spirit and the Pocket Demon which are basically ghosts (Though Big Boss can interact with them), and if a pet dies, they will auto-resurrect in 15 seconds. Do note that all of the pets despawn if the Player dies. Speaking which, their Denied gadget is able to put cards floating around them, and if they die during those 12 seconds when the cards are up, they will instantly revive. However, this would easily be bypassed if Big Boss were to knock them out or incapacitate them if he finds out about how they can revive.

Some new points on top of this: the Player would be able to block all access to Big Boss’ gadgets, through weapons that can disable gadgets (IE. throwing explosives, basic utility weapons), and if Big Boss tries to get near the Player, they have several sets that can make players around them slow down in a close range radius so the Player has time to get away. In the case Big Boss would turn invisible, the Player could either set up some Voodoo Snowmen to destroy them and kill Big Boss, or use Enemy Detecting or Target Marking weapons to find him.
 
Since Big Boss is basically comparable to Snake due to an identical moveset, I’ll just copy+paste what I have stated in here, along with some new points.
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Ok but that's literally wrong, Big Boss eclipses Snake's moveset, by an utterly ridiculous degree. The main difference between BB and Solid is the very fact that BB dwarfs Solid's moveset, those billions of dollars weren't use for nothing.

To start off, the Player has the AP And durability advantage of almost 2x (48 tons VS Big Boss’s 25 tons).
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Perhaps, but then you have to add onto BB's armors that enable him to take hits beyond what the Player can do, items that prevent OHKO's and critical injury, items that cut damage, etc.

The Player is also more versatile thanks to owning over 900 weapons (which includes weapons giving in various effects such as some healing the Player up to 12% of their health every second,
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Honestly, I don't think that's true, BB has thousands of weapons due to weapon matching. BB also has healing fyi, instant and full heals too.

disabling jumping temporarily upon hitting,
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"upon hitting", which is probably never gonna happen.

cut AP in half temporarily, etc),
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Given a lot of BB's stuff either 1. Have enough piercing to put a hole in 8-A's or 2. Dont damage at all and is hax, this is moot.

and as such they have pretty much seen other players use these same weapons and therefore would know how to counter them
Since most of Big Boss’s arsenal is basic guns and explosives,
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Maybe if you exclude the dark matter stuff, teleporters, various armors and camo's, traps, numerous stealth devices, etc.

the Player would already know to continuously strafe/block with shields and keep their distance.
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How would The Player know how to block/counter attacks he can't sense or even see?

Of course, Big Boss has some unique ones like his stun grenades which the Player hasn’t seen before.
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Big Boss has dozens of things The Player has never seen before, of which he has infinite amounts of.

On the other hand, Big Boss has more experience and is likely much deadlier in close quarters combat, especially with the LS advantage to potentially incapacitate the Player.
However, the Player has access to their pets (~80), and while they might not do as much damage as the Player themselves, they would still be worth trouble, especially the Eagle Spirit and the Pocket Demon which are basically ghosts (Though Big Boss can interact with them), and if a pet dies, they will auto-resurrect in 15 seconds. Do note that all of the pets despawn if the Player dies. Speaking which, their Denied gadget is able to put cards floating around them, and if they die during those 12 seconds when the cards are up, they will instantly revive. However, this would easily be bypassed if Big Boss were to knock them out or incapacitate them if he finds out about how they can revive.
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Wait, The Player gets summons? Does that mean BB can get his too?

Some new points on top of this: the Player would be able to block all access to Big Boss’ gadgets, through weapons that can disable gadgets (IE. throwing explosives, basic utility weapons),
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And Big Boss can do the same too? Don't forget he has numerous items that disable weaponry.

and if Big Boss tries to get near the Player, they have several sets that can make players around them slow down in a close range radius so the Player has time to get away.
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Big Boss' perception manip boosts his reaction time and burst CQC speed by a drastic degree, that counters that.

In the case Big Boss would turn invisible, the Player could either set up some Voodoo Snowmen to destroy them and kill Big Boss, or use Enemy Detecting or Target Marking weapons to find him.
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Big Boss has numerous stealth items that prevent enemy detection, and he can even just straight up teleport kilometers if need be. And BB has both those abilities literally built in to himself and his binocs.
BB is just Snake without the empath grenades but like, LITERALLY hundreds of more items, equipment, hax, and even back up.

tbh BB can just analyze his foes at a glance via analyzer and then like (immediate lead he does, does it everytime) he'd know The Player's stats, items and skills and from there, just do whatever works, and boy, does he have things that would work.
He could even do wacky shit like literally teleport a few KM away via wormholes and then just whip out a sniper. What's the player gonna do about that?
That's an important thing to note, BB is always going to be faster on playing the optimal move and making the right choice to **** over The Player because unlike The Player, BB literally opens up with learning all the basic shit his opponent can do. And everything you just mentioned that the player could do, is something BB himself can do or counter with little, if any, issue.
 
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Chariot190 said:
Ok but that's literally wrong, Big Boss eclipses Snake's moveset, by an utterly ridiculous degree.



Perhaps, but then you have to add onto BB's armors that enable him to take hits beyond what the Player can do, items that prevent OHKO's and critical injury, items that cut damage, etc.



Honestly, I don't think that's true, BB has thousands of weapons due to weapon matching.


"upon hitting", which is probably never gonna happen.



Given a lot of BB's stuff either 1. Have enough piercing to put a hole in 8-A's or 2. Dont damage at all and is hax, this is moot.





Maybe if you exclude the dark matter stuff, teleporters, various armors and camo's, traps, numerous stealth devices, etc.



How would The Player know how to block/counter attacks he can't sense or even see?



Big Boss has dozens of things The Player has never seen before, of which he has infinite amounts of.





Wait, The Player gets summons? Does that mean BB can get his too?



And Big Boss can do the same too? Don't forget he has numerous items that disable weaponry.



Big Boss' perception manip boosts his reaction time and burst CQC speed by a drastic degree, that counters that.



Big Boss has numerous stealth items that prevent enemy detection, and he can even just straight up teleport kilometers if need be. And BB has both those abilities literally built in to himself and his binocs.
BB is just Snake without the empath grenades but like, LITERALLY hundreds of more items, equipment, hax, and even back up.

tbh BB can just analyze his foes at a glance via analyzer and then like (immediate lead he does, does it everytime) and from there he'd know The Player's stats, items and skills and from there, just do whatever works, and boy, does he have things that would work.
He could even do wcaky shit like literally teleport a few away via wormholes and then just whip out a sniper. What's the player gonna do about that?
That's an important thing to note, BB is always going to be faster on playing the optimal move and making the right choice to **** over The Player because unlike The Player, BB literally opens up with learning all the basic shit his opponent can do. And everything you just mentioned that the player could do, is something BB himself can do or counter with little, if any, issue.
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Nice essay.
 
But actually, later today I might list some of BB's better stuff, but tbh, I don't know if it's needed, BB having info analysis he uses as a lead in character kinda gives him an overwhelming advantage and given he has the stuff to counter most of player's points, and a lot of what player can do he can do himself, and given he's gonna be faster on the draw due to knowing his foe better due to analyzing atop his own combative prowess and deduction skills, honestly, the majority of the player's points are just points for BB too that'll happen first for BB and then there's BB's own unique stuff.
And looking deep into the abyss of shit that BB has, dude has shit like sleeping and stun missiles with over 250m range, if BFR wasn't banned BB could unironically just BFR The Player nearly 5000km without much issue (and it's oddly in character).
 
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But actually, later today I might list some of BB's better stuff, but tbh, I don't know if it's needed, BB having info analysis he uses as a lead in character kinda gives him an overwhelming advantage and given he has the stuff to counter most of player's points, and a lot of what player can do he can do himself, and given he's gonna be faster on the draw due to knowing his foe better due to analyzing atop his own combative prowess and deduction skills, honestly, the majority of the player's points are just points for BB too that'll happen first for BB and then there's BB's own unique stuff.
And looking deep into the abyss of shit that BB has, dude has shit like sleeping and stun missiles with over 250m range, if BFR wasn't banned BB could unironically just BFR The Player nearly 5000km without much issue (and it's oddly in character).
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Bro's just flexing at this point💀
 
He also has sleep mines that instantly put to sleep with an AOE of sleeping gas when asleep the sleeping foes get BFR'd (via wormholes at max upgrade) back to his base to become his soldiers 😶
And that's all one item.
 
Well I'm voting BB for the exact same reasons why I voted Snake except like a few dozen extra reasons.
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So uuuuuh, nobody's defending Big Boss?
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What? What's there to defend? Almost every wincondition The Player he has, BB himself has too, plus like a hundred more, he eclipses in skill, analytical ability, intelligence and deduction, he has numerous means to beat the Player before the player even gets a chance to fight back, he has ways to counter a lot of what the player has, and due to his combat prowess and analyzer, he's going to know what the player is capable of, and thus, always be faster on the draw and the first to make use of his win conditions opposed to the player who just has to guess or react to what BB does, where BB doesn't need to react and see what his foe can do, because he'd know what he can do at a glance. That alone puts things in BB's favor overwhelmingly, even if the player has a few items that could give BB trouble, he wouldn't know to use them right away, while BB knows what to do, and how to mitigate the issue items before they come out.

Also multi-km teleporters op.
 
Tbh just use Solidus or something, he's like, a MGS character that doesn't literally have the backing of 4 nations, ten billion years of experience, a whole military arsenal in his back pocket and stupid skill (not to say he isn't skilled, he just never trained the same way, he could hit stupid levels if he wanted, he just didn't) while still having some good stuff.
Or Gray Fox/Null.
Or Volgin (doesn't even have a stupid skill chain, he's just a world champion boxer, he's not gonna be skill ******* dudes with supernatural skill).
Or maybe even sahel.
Maybe some skulls.
Etc.

There's MGS characters that have actual reasonable amount of equipment and skill, Solid and Big Boss are the two outliers (and venom i guess) but that's what happens when you have a whole franchise worth of shit, even Raiden isn't that bad, he doesn't have like 10 games worth of equipment, only one game before he becomes mister sword ninja w̵h̵i̵c̵h̵ ̵i̵s̵ ̵s̵o̵m̵e̵h̵o̵w̵ ̵e̵v̵e̵n̵ ̵w̵o̵r̵s̵e̵.

In other news BB knows Qi Gong ig too so slap that under his skill.
 
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