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Tier 4 LN Momoshiki Key/profile pt2
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Aren't a lot of the calculations in the OP rejected by multiple people?
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The reasoning basically everyone rejected them is because "non-canon" and "outlier", and these indeed fall into those categories. That's why they're discussing of making a new profile.DarkDragonMedeus said:
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And I recall Sera saying the Anime versions aren't original enough to warrant alternate profiles.
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This is not about the anime tho, Boruto anime is considered canon. This is about a light novel.DarkDragonMedeus said:
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Oh yeah, Boruto does have some things more in line for how DB Super worked from what I recalled.
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How many different things, if at all, does this version of Momo have?
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Basically, the novel of Boruto's film is not considered canonical here, although the Jump considers it as part of the chronology of the novels, that is, it is an official content but with a different plot in relation to the anime / manga, so the intention here is to create a new profile.
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Well, we couldn't create profile for the anime versions. Anime has a lot of different things like fillers and new arcs and we couldn't create profiles anyway.
Why should we create a profile for Momo where only his AP change and he gain some new abilities?
Why should we create a profile for Momo where only his AP change and he gain some new abilities?
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The reasoning basically everyone rejected them is because "non-canon" and "outlier", and these indeed fall into those categories. That's why they're discussing of making a new profile.
How's it outlier if I proved it's consistent
How's it outlier if I proved it's consistent
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Its more than warrantedM3X said:
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A bare few abilities and a different tier don't seem like enough to me, is barely different.
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It also has some plot differences and resides in a different continuity, so there's that as wellLSirLancelotDuLacl said:
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Kinshiki is taken out by Naruto and saskueLSirLancelotDuLacl said:
Boruto's father son Rasengan disappears
Momoshiki gets absolute zero
Momoshiki gets time space creation
Momoshiki gets mftl
Kaguya get 4-A
Momoshiki gets 4-A
Statements show Naruto and Saskue scale
Sunlight is seen in momoshiki's dimension
Gaara possibly Naruto and saskue get absolute zero resistance
Sasuke's Rinnegan had several sciences to it, and one of them was pattern recognition. It helped him analyse patterns inside codes, and by comparing them to similar patterns, decipher what was written.
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Kinshiki is taken out by Naruto and saskue
Boruto's father son Rasengan disappears
Momoshiki gets absolute zero
Momoshiki gets time space creation
Momoshiki gets mftl
Kaguya get 4-A
Momoshiki gets 4-A
Statements show Naruto and Saskue scale
Sunlight is seen in momoshiki's dimension
No Urashiki or any of the stuff the anime added either
Boruto's father son Rasengan disappears
Momoshiki gets absolute zero
Momoshiki gets time space creation
Momoshiki gets mftl
Kaguya get 4-A
Momoshiki gets 4-A
Statements show Naruto and Saskue scale
Sunlight is seen in momoshiki's dimension
No Urashiki or any of the stuff the anime added either
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All of the stuff that you listed that has nothing to do with Momoshiki matters squat.
This is a profile for Novel Momoshiki. The number of details as a whole from the novel is utterly meaningless, how different Momoshiki's profile is from Canon Momoshiki is what matters. 2 abilities and a new tier is far from any big difference.
This is a profile for Novel Momoshiki. The number of details as a whole from the novel is utterly meaningless, how different Momoshiki's profile is from Canon Momoshiki is what matters. 2 abilities and a new tier is far from any big difference.
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Most people agreed that these differences are enough to warrant the profile.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
Different abilities, tier, story, and even character design lol. All that's not enough for you? Does he need to change his name too lol? I mean come on...
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From what i've read, there is no enough distinction between the Novels and the other medias to be warrant of a new profile. i mean a lot of our characters who have both anime and manga profile have completly differents setting and continuity, not only power, but the very plot, and the other stuff the media is made of need to be differents. Sailor Moo is a good exemple
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Going from 5C to 4A isn't a big difference?
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This really is a similar situation to DB imo. Yea they follow the same general plot but with some differences in power, events and feats, and continuity discrepancies.
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We don't make profiles from the exact same character just because he is stronger or faster, but mostly if he deserve it by having enough content different from his canon self, we don't make every different profile between VN and manga/anime or other media from the same characters despite some difference.WeNotCensored said:
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His character design doesn't actually get described in the Novel i don't think they just call him an Orge or something but consider its the Movie Novel i guess you can just say he has that design if you wantedUchihaSlayer96 said:
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It was already mostly accepted to create the profile, but if it's going to cause issues then I don't see why a Novel Key wouldn't work.
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I still don't get how they can consider the other LN canon because of that timeline but not this one or how they consider the Anime Canon when it also has story discrepanciesUchihaSlayer96 said:
If anything it should just be that the events differ but the feats are still a valid representation of the characters
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I still don't get how they can consider the other LN canon because of that timeline but not this one or how they consider the Anime Canon when it also has story discrepancies
If anything it should just be that the events differ but the feats are still a valid representation of the characters
Tbh I agree. Canon source material needs to be acknowledged in some way we can't just ignore its existence. Whether that's in the form, profile, key, or upgrade I honestly don't care. But we can't pretend like it doesn't exist or isn't canon according to SJ.
If anything it should just be that the events differ but the feats are still a valid representation of the characters
Tbh I agree. Canon source material needs to be acknowledged in some way we can't just ignore its existence. Whether that's in the form, profile, key, or upgrade I honestly don't care. But we can't pretend like it doesn't exist or isn't canon according to SJ.
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I fail to see where and when and by who it was accepted. Astral doesn't agree with it, Damage doesn't agree with it, M3X certainly doesn't agree with it as you can see right above.
And yes, a different tier and a different speed with barely 2 extra powers is a stupidly small amount of stuff.
Have you actually seen the DBZ vs the DB profiles? They are completely different scaling chains for multiple keys, and a rather big number of added abilities. By this logic, we should have a few dozen superman and batman keys for the minimum differences in alternative comic stories.
And yes, a different tier and a different speed with barely 2 extra powers is a stupidly small amount of stuff.
Have you actually seen the DBZ vs the DB profiles? They are completely different scaling chains for multiple keys, and a rather big number of added abilities. By this logic, we should have a few dozen superman and batman keys for the minimum differences in alternative comic stories.
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Your not getting it these are differences like that of dbs manga and anime.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
Did you read the last thread? damage and astral we're fine with it And even incline to another profile If we're only talking about momoshiki he:
Has absolute zero
He has time space creation
4-A feat
Mftl speed feat
He's absorbing and reflecting jutsu is several instead of double, this means 3 or more times
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Eh. I don't agree at all that it is enough.
But I guess if the others wanna go for it, do whatever you care I guess.
But I guess if the others wanna go for it, do whatever you care I guess.
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How much do I need then? because I'm sure it's enough. There's most likely other feats and differences.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
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Then better look for them.
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I don't wanna infinitely look for them how many do I need?LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
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I don't think there's any defined number, just has to be different enough.
The example of DBZ anime and manga was brought up, but like...
The scaling across multiple keys is different, what they scale to is different, the speed is different, the lifting strength is different, the weaknesses are different, and Goku has about 4 or 5 added abilities plus some other added resistances.
I may just be inflexible about this, but I just don't feel personally satisfied with that much for Momo. But if the others accepted it, my opinion can't do much unless they were to agree with me which I doubt. Only issue after that is the calcs, as M3X mentioned.
The example of DBZ anime and manga was brought up, but like...
The scaling across multiple keys is different, what they scale to is different, the speed is different, the lifting strength is different, the weaknesses are different, and Goku has about 4 or 5 added abilities plus some other added resistances.
I may just be inflexible about this, but I just don't feel personally satisfied with that much for Momo. But if the others accepted it, my opinion can't do much unless they were to agree with me which I doubt. Only issue after that is the calcs, as M3X mentioned.
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The example of DBZ anime and manga was brought up, but like...
I'm talking about dbs' manga and anime
The scaling across multiple keys is different, what they scale to is different
The scaling for the keys preposed here are different, For Naruto, saskue and kaguya. Their speed and ap would be drastically higher.
the speed is different
Yh so would it be for this
the lifting strength is different
Not sure about this
the weaknesses are different
Yh momoshiki was caught of guard in this version
Goku has about 4 or 5 added abilities plus some other added resistances.
Has absolute zero
He has time space creation
4-A feat
Mftl speed feat
He's absorbing and reflecting jutsu is several instead of double, this means 3 or more times
Absolute zero resistance
my opinion can't do much unless they were to agree with me which I doubt.
Ok
Only issue after that is the calcs, as M3X mentioned.
I've sent them for evaluation there seems to be no problem regardless they don't even require calcs
Momoshiki and kaguya can create parallel dimensions with starry skys Momoshiki drains chakra from beyond it in a very short timeframe, etc.
I'm talking about dbs' manga and anime
The scaling across multiple keys is different, what they scale to is different
The scaling for the keys preposed here are different, For Naruto, saskue and kaguya. Their speed and ap would be drastically higher.
the speed is different
Yh so would it be for this
the lifting strength is different
Not sure about this
the weaknesses are different
Yh momoshiki was caught of guard in this version
Goku has about 4 or 5 added abilities plus some other added resistances.
Has absolute zero
He has time space creation
4-A feat
Mftl speed feat
He's absorbing and reflecting jutsu is several instead of double, this means 3 or more times
Absolute zero resistance
my opinion can't do much unless they were to agree with me which I doubt.
Ok
Only issue after that is the calcs, as M3X mentioned.
I've sent them for evaluation there seems to be no problem regardless they don't even require calcs
Momoshiki and kaguya can create parallel dimensions with starry skys Momoshiki drains chakra from beyond it in a very short timeframe, etc.
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How it is not an super outlier?
also you should post some more context for an upgrade of this magnitude and you should post the raw and a multilingual member should evaluate them, since the kanji of planet and star are similar and can create issues.
Futher more the link you posted isn't even accepted.
also you should post some more context for an upgrade of this magnitude and you should post the raw and a multilingual member should evaluate them, since the kanji of planet and star are similar and can create issues.
Futher more the link you posted isn't even accepted.
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Wouldn't that simply only scale to the strongest? If there is nothing contradicting it, like stonger character (of which there are none) having only far inferior feats or anti-feat, then I don't see how it would be an outlier. Is there a contradiction I don't know about?Tyri456 said:
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This has nothing to do with that did not read the prior thread?Tyri456 said:
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Wouldn't that simply only scale to the strongest? If there is nothing contradicting it, like stonger character (of which there are none) having only far inferior feats or anti-feat, then I don't see how it would be an outlier. Is there a contradiction I don't know about?
No
No
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The Kanji for Sun is a different Kanji than the one for Planet/ StarTyri456 said:
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