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Tier 2 characters that beat Xeno Goku or vice versa

It's just SBA, no speed equalization is present. We're not changing OP's rules just cause we feel like it. Blitzing is a thing here.
 
Rose of Ragnarok said:
@Planck Pretty sure she can just concepthax Goku out of existence.
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Her concept-hax is limited to just giving objects concepts, nothing implies that she can erase people with them at all.
 
Are speed blitzes allowed here? Because if so, then Super Sonic, Super Shadow and Super Silver in their 2-C forms and game Solaris likely stomp by speed blitzing. 2-C Burning Blaze should be able to do the same although it's not on her profile yet
 
Goku one-shots and absorbs Yukari from an absolute range
 
Gilad Hyperstar said:
Are speed blitzes allowed here? Because if so, then Super Sonic, Super Shadow and Super Silver in their 2-C forms and game Solaris likely stomp by speed blitzing. 2-C Burning Blaze should be able to do the same although it's not on her profile yet
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Yes, blitzes are most definitely allowed provided that they allow a win and not an incon.
 
And with the new additions, we're at 187 give or take.
 
Rose of Ragnarok said:
@Planck Pretty sure she can just concepthax Goku out of existence.
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Yeh, nu. Goku blitzes. Goku lifehaxxes or adapts if speed equalized
 
EmperorRorepme said:
Can Goku deal with Low-Godly?
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Does Regenerationn even matter due to the massive difference between AP and Durability? If Goku can even land a hit on Yukari she's particularly dead
 
GarrixianDude100193 said:
Does Regenerationn even matter due to the massive difference between AP and Durability? If Goku can even land a hit on her she's particularly dead
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Yes, it does. Low-Godly can't be overcome by AP period. Doesn't matter if your 10-A and the other guy's Low 1-C.
 
Depends if Goku has the Keysword which Seals when it strikes an enemy.
 
Yeh, nu. Goku blitzes. Goku lifehaxxes or adapts if speed equalized

If you're talking about Suwako, yeah no. Goku can't affect abstracts and Omnipresent blitzes MFTL+.
 
GarrixianDude100193 said:
Yeh, nu. Goku blitzes. Goku lifehaxxes or adapts if speed equalized
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Speed is unequalized and Goku isn't affecting an abstract. Incon.
 
Planck69 said:
Gilad Hyperstar said:
Are speed blitzes allowed here? Because if so, then Super Sonic, Super Shadow and Super Silver in their 2-C forms and game Solaris likely stomp by speed blitzing. 2-C Burning Blaze should be able to do the same although it's not on her profile yet
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Yes, blitzes are most definitely allowed provided that they allow a win and not an incon.
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So they all should be added too. Nice to see that the game versions of Sonic can win too against Goku
 
Limited concept-hax that are not offensive in any way.
 
Her concept-hax is limited to just giving objects concepts, nothing implies that she can erase people with them at all.

Doesn't she have the same type of concepthax as other Touhou characters as well? Because I'm pretty sure it's combat applicable.
 
Limited Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3; All gods can give "names" to things, giving them a concept of their own, and a defined border. She can also modify her own concept/name)

What about this is combat-applicable?
 
Because I remember that one of the Touhou characters was once listed as the strongest High 4-C back when they were Tier 4.
 
Rose of Ragnarok said:
Because I remember that one of the Touhou characters was once listed as the strongest High 4-C back when they were Tier 4.
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A lot of wiki-wide revisions took place between then and now though.
 
I remember the fastest character in Touhou is about 10^121 times FTL or sth like that. Does she scale to that or nah?
 
I am unsure if Death, Discord, and Altair should stay on the list, they are WAY slower than Goku, but they are abstracts of Concepts, so Goku can't really harm them (Plus all of the 3 can still kill goku when they eventually react)

Besides that, if we are going by speed unequalized, here is who should be removed:

Bill Cipher, Joker, and Frisk. Goku blitzes and can use his keysword on all of them before they react

HOWEVER, Mario should be a solid stomp for Mario now, Mario blitzes hard. Luigi should also be added since he also blitzes Goku and has the same win condition as mario
 
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