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Tiamat versus Yogiri Takatou
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Not from what I see.YungManzi said:
From what I see he just has really good death manip, nothing about negating resistances.
And so he gets through Tiamat's immunity to instant death. Now how does he deal with two further layers of death resistance on top of that?
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EX Luck is not your normal fate or luck, and a god's Authority and therefore resistances have several levels of qualitative superiority to baseline 4D / 2-C.EmperorDoom25 said:
So where's his feats of breaking through something lacking the concept of death on top of not being able to die so long as life still exists, on top of EX luck saying lolno to 100% guaranteed death, on top of Godly authority from higher orders of reality giving resistance?
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His instant death works on type 5 immortality @Monarch.
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Ok, so if I check what I just wrote...
"So where's his feats of breaking throughsomething lacking the concept of death on top of not being able to die so long as life still exists, on top of EX luck saying lolno to 100% guaranteed death, on top of Godly authority from higher orders of reality giving resistance?"
Ok, that's one thing, what about the rest.
"So where's his feats of breaking through
Ok, that's one thing, what about the rest.
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@Monarch he negs type 8. His ID beyond Fate so good luck to Luck doing anything about it.
And again he negs type 8....
And again he negs type 8....
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I've listed them all and seen him be able to get through one of them.
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He negs type 5 and 8 which is basically everything you mentioned except for the last layer of resistances. I dunno exactly how that would interract with his ID.
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He literally has 'resistance negation' on his profile and it's referring to his ID.
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Yeah but from what feats he has on his profile, that comes from him killing some undead with "immunity" to death which isn't even necessarily resistance negation.
Also I don't see any feats listed for negating type 8
Also I don't see any feats listed for negating type 8
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I dunno what the feat is but its on his profile.
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"on top of not being able to die so long as life still exists"
So, Yogiri kills all life. It's certainly something he can do (And as a side-effect of his power too). Also, he himself was stated to be something that's not even alive in the first place, so it most likely effect him (Especially since he can decide what death is on a whim)
Other than that, I don't see how luck helps. Even going back in time before Yogiri activated it doesn't save you from getting slapped by it.
Resistance gets noped unless higher order of resistances means something above 2-B.
So, Yogiri kills all life. It's certainly something he can do (And as a side-effect of his power too). Also, he himself was stated to be something that's not even alive in the first place, so it most likely effect him (Especially since he can decide what death is on a whim)
Other than that, I don't see how luck helps. Even going back in time before Yogiri activated it doesn't save you from getting slapped by it.
Resistance gets noped unless higher order of resistances means something above 2-B.
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He's not bloodlusted and he's explicitly not done things before to avoid destroying all life so I very much doubt he's going to kill all life.
Luck in Fate is the strength of destiny and constantly stops people from just keeling over dead for no reason. And that's more than just 4-D destiny seeing as it is quite capable of affecting gods.
Higher order of resistance means it doesn't fit in our tiering system because it's not higher dimensional in the sense we use, but having it makes you just straight up unable to be affected by anything of a lower order, including other 4D beings, regardless of how strong they are.
Luck in Fate is the strength of destiny and constantly stops people from just keeling over dead for no reason. And that's more than just 4-D destiny seeing as it is quite capable of affecting gods.
Higher order of resistance means it doesn't fit in our tiering system because it's not higher dimensional in the sense we use, but having it makes you just straight up unable to be affected by anything of a lower order, including other 4D beings, regardless of how strong they are.
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Okay so now this is a stomp for Tiamat? lol
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I'm not saying he will purposefully kill all life, I'm saying ID will do it by itself to neg immortality.Monarch Laciel said:
Hell, Yogiri was never even made aware of Lain's minions or her true self which existed in another dimension.
He never knew about the HRE's true form either.
In both cases he was just casually inflicting death.
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Yeah, Yogiri doesn't just negate Fate manipulation he's outright beyond Fate itself.
It was too irrational, it even was beyond fate. It couldn't overturn the decided event
This Statements is done by the narration when Yogiri was against a 2-B being.
Also, Heavenly Records and the Heavenly Record Eaters are higher order existences , with the latter that was killed by Yogiri existing outside of space-time. & I'm actually glad someone could clarify what Higher-Order things meant, I was not really aware of it.
Lastly, due to Tiamat's close connection and reliance on life Yogiri would end up killing all of life in a domino like effect, not necessary on purpose.
It was too irrational, it even was beyond fate. It couldn't overturn the decided event
This Statements is done by the narration when Yogiri was against a 2-B being.
Also, Heavenly Records and the Heavenly Record Eaters are higher order existences , with the latter that was killed by Yogiri existing outside of space-time. & I'm actually glad someone could clarify what Higher-Order things meant, I was not really aware of it.
Lastly, due to Tiamat's close connection and reliance on life Yogiri would end up killing all of life in a domino like effect, not necessary on purpose.
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Oh. Also, for resistance Negation he has other feats besides undead such as being capable Of bypassing the 10 levels of instant death resistance obtainable. Levels working on a manner like; level 1 instant death wouldn't be able to affect level 1 resistance, but level 2 would be capable of bypassing level 1, but level 2 Instant Death can't bypass level 2 resistance and so on... levels of abilities being independent of AP stats or whatever, allegedly being absolute over the lower ones. Ig similar to higher-order resistances.
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Yeee, I think there's also a statement of him negating revival out there but tI Don't wanna derail the post too much.
Anyways, Yogiri doesn't only have one victory condition (just IDing Timat) he still has the ability to win via incapacitation trough killing her senses, body parts and attacks, which makes some of her resistances irrelevant due to them protecting against the one shotting or full death of a servant rather than the death of specific body parts—I think only her type 5 (maybe 8) immortality would defend against it but Yogiri negs. I may be forgetting something tho.
Anyways, Yogiri doesn't only have one victory condition (just IDing Timat) he still has the ability to win via incapacitation trough killing her senses, body parts and attacks, which makes some of her resistances irrelevant due to them protecting against the one shotting or full death of a servant rather than the death of specific body parts—I think only her type 5 (maybe 8) immortality would defend against it but Yogiri negs. I may be forgetting something tho.
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Her Miasma would likely have reached him by then though if he only removed some of her senses
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Under SBA, she has killing intent. She's already dead.
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@TGOP I was referring to the situation where she resists his intial ID.
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Tiamat: NANI?! (Explodes)The God Of Procrastination said:
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Clarify what higher order existence means in this context.TheMonsterOfTheAbyss said:
Because if it's just the way of saying its tier 2, that's not enough to bypass Tiamat's resistance, which is higher order even in comparison to other tier 2 beings.
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@Blackcurrant91 @John985
Yogiri or ID auto activates and kills her mud/miasma or any attack she's got because Yogiri Can recognize it as a threat... there's literally nothing stopping that from happening unless her attacks have instant kill resistance. If you're thinking that because he has to multi task he might not react then that ain't a problem, he's killed thosuands of things at a time, and ID will just react to the hazard by itself without the need for Yogiri to even act.
Yogiri or ID auto activates and kills her mud/miasma or any attack she's got because Yogiri Can recognize it as a threat... there's literally nothing stopping that from happening unless her attacks have instant kill resistance. If you're thinking that because he has to multi task he might not react then that ain't a problem, he's killed thosuands of things at a time, and ID will just react to the hazard by itself without the need for Yogiri to even act.
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I mean, by virtue of only being Low 2-C she shouldn't be able to resist ID. (Does not possess a concept of death unless it is forcefully placed upon her by a being of great power)
Then Unless she has feats of resisting 2-C to 2-B death or erasure, we can't say she can do it here. Even giving her resistance far above what's mentioned on her profile puts her below ID.
And since ID naturally nulls tier resistances, I don't see how she resists it.
The whole higher order resistance thing isn't even on her profile from what I can tell, so there's no way for me to compare it to ID besides taking your word for it monarch.
Then Unless she has feats of resisting 2-C to 2-B death or erasure, we can't say she can do it here. Even giving her resistance far above what's mentioned on her profile puts her below ID.
And since ID naturally nulls tier resistances, I don't see how she resists it.
The whole higher order resistance thing isn't even on her profile from what I can tell, so there's no way for me to compare it to ID besides taking your word for it monarch.
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Damn, really? This is a stomp on Tiamat's favor if that's the case. Why doesn't shiki have 1-C instant death on her profile then?
Also, can it not simply be that MeoDP can't impose the concept of death? I don't see any of Shiki's three profiles having Type 5 Negation, only the ability to kill abstract things which is a completely different thing.
1-C Death Manipulation King Hassan ig?
Also, can it not simply be that MeoDP can't impose the concept of death? I don't see any of Shiki's three profiles having Type 5 Negation, only the ability to kill abstract things which is a completely different thing.
1-C Death Manipulation King Hassan ig?
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