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The Ultra Series Discussion Thread: Unleash! The Power of Imagination!

Your loss I guess since the ED still hasn’t been uploaded onto YouTube yet and the song is a total banger. Plus there’s quite a lot of high quality MADs that are only on BiliBilii and not on YouTube.

Haven’t been working on any profile recently so no Ace from me. Great would just be 4-B scaling above 80 due to this statement about being the strongest Ultra in the universe at the time of his series. There was also a statement about him being the strongest in the Land of Light at the time of his series if I remember correctly.
 
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Even if they had that madlads MAD and whatsoever, after what they did with Hololive i would never touch that site

That leaves to Mr. Cult whether he planning to make Ace profile or not
Ah i see, how about Great abilities?
 
Yeah I don’t like the Chinese due to all those problems they cause like Hololive but you can’t deny that the speed BiliBili uploads and the quality of things they make are top notch. So I’d honestly prefer not to miss out on these things. And it’s not like everybody there is bad. Though this might just be because I live with my family where the adults are quite racist and supremacist so what happened with Hololive is like a Tuesday to me as it’s no where near as bad as the worst thing I have seen or heard.

Don‘t remember much about Great but I think I remember him having Attack Reflection.

Edit: Also about ED2. Towards the end of the full song Kengo was no longer singing. And considering how melancholic this song is and how Trigger has been doing the opposite of what Tiga does, what do you guys think are the chances that Kengo dies or disappears in the finale?
 
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ASHITA MIRU MONO TACHI FULL VERSION LESS GOOOOOOOOOOO

Ah, another guy resulting from casual racism. Yep, Tuesday it is. Or would be was.

Back to the song... I won't be surprised, honestly. It's like I theorized, the Special's framing of him saying "Smile Smile" was rather suspicious already. And going by the amount of things he's gone through, and the rate of escalation on the story, I don't doubt for a second this will not continue Z's newly re-established finale format of nearly murdering your own protagonist.

Ace's sandbox is also there. Just, ya know, holding off for no reason. I got Seven last Saturday wazzit? I could get to Ace around this Friday or Saturday.

Great would have cellular destruction due to his dealings against Gudis.
 
There’s one theory I’ve seen that goes like this.

Carmeara dies protecting Kengo and Darrgon dies protecting Yuna against the final boss.

Kengo unlocks his final form the light/darkness fusion and defeats the final boss but everybody in the world is dead.

So he sacrifices himself and uses the power of the Eternity Core to reset the universe to bring everybody back and his last words will be to GUTS Select telling them to Smile Smile.

Honestly though this theory is a bit too dark. I really doubt they will do this in the finale.
 
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Would be a nice shake up to the usual format, for sure. And like I always say, TsuPro is always hiding something. Whether or not it'll be similar, it will end up catching us by surprise. And if Z was any indication, come episode 20 or after, things are gonna get unsafe.
 
Honestly the only way I could see this working is if the New Generation Dyna is a sequel to New Generation Trigger and eventually Kengo will come back. Cause they need the actor to come back so they can keep using Trigger in future series’. Though I guess they could make Kengo give Akito the ability to transform into Trigger once he’s gone.
 
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Honestly the only way I could see this working is if the New Generation Dyna is a sequel to New Generation Trigger and eventually Kengo will come back. Cause they need the actor to come back so they can keep using Trigger in future series’. Though I guess they could make Kengo give Akito the ability to transform into Trigger once he’s gone.
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So basically a successor, man that would be sad af but bittersweet ending
 
Yeah cause in Tiga’s ending Tiga was the one that disappeared while Daigo stayed. And since Trigger has been doing the opposite some people believe Kengo will disappear but Trigger will stay in some form.
 
Things could actually fall into place when you consider the factors, though. Kengo is Trigger, and vice versa, ergo he is the original light. And if they keep up the idea of everyone can be the light, having Kengo, who we've come to know as being basically a walking anomaly what with his birth condition and citizenship, plus the whole Eldritch situation that the story is finally starting to embrace and Kengo's vicious and almost unholy determination for everyone to be happy, he very well would try to give himself in exchange for everyone to be able to live better and happier lives.

You know, putting it like that, Kengo is actually closer to the original Tiga. Embodiment of the light itself, but gives everything to ensure the survival and happiness of a species he probably doesn't have direct ties with.
 
I really doubt Dyna have his new generation because Takeshi Tsuruno (Ultraman Dyna's actor) are accused of being members of the cult too due to some supposed leaked Twitter listings and his open anti-China sentiment that is coincidentally shared by the nationalist cult to the point during Ultraman Z aired his face get censored.
 
Dude New Generation Dyna is pretty much all but confirmed officially. Like have you seen all the leaks going around ever since a month or two ago?
 
So basically somebody posted the power of the verse description on Reddit and I saw a good point about how we scale the series. And I’ll be honest this is also something that has been on my mind for a while now.
To preface, I don't have a problem with vswiki.

But one thing which I can't agree with them on is how most kaiju scale to the Ultras they fight. These are natural creatures born on Earth and they somehow have the capacity to nuke solar systems? Moreover, that should mean the Attack Teams would scale to that in some cases, which can not be true (excluding specialised weapons).

I really can't imagine a kaiju like Golza or Gomora (the one from Ultraman 1966) to be anything beyond mountain level. In anime I can let it slide, but I feel as if there's a layer of realism when you turn live action .

I think the crazy shit can be applied to higher level kaiju/space kaiju/intelligent aliens/certain robots, but still only on some occasion. So I believe, in any given series, the power levels can range anywhere from city level all the way to planet/star/solar system etc.

Aside from that, I don't have a problem with the scaling really.
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Like we have been thinking about separating the speed of Earth born kaijus and space kaijus for a while. Do you guys think we should also separate their AP and make Earth born kaijus and attack teams only possibly scaling to the Ultras? Like say

Theoretical Golza example: 7-A (If it has a feat around this tier), possibly 4-A (Fought Ultraman Tiga)
 
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Honestly basically that and the fact that weapons created by humans being like their guns being 3-A in AP just feels weird to me. Like Akito was literally hit by the Gomora shockwave when Darrgon punched it back at him and that kaiju key was able to somewhat annoy Golba. He survived it so does that means humans are 3-A in durability?

And I’m pretty sure that’s not the only case of humans surviving their own technology.
 
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Not gonna lie when I say this obviously bugs me as well. I also don't have a problem with the idea of Earthborns to have a lower, and a possibly higher tier.

To be honest, that post was pretty surprising. There was that other one, but still, the fact that they're pretty chill with our decision to show what's actually shown is cool.
 
So yeah I think sometime in the future we really should split it along with the speed for earth born and space kaijus. This would also allow us to make more fights due to the kaijus having a lower tier. But that’s after we finish making profiles for Ultras and bosses who most definitely scale to the higher tiers. Cause we have absolutely no idea what the lower tier for monsters could be.

Yeah most of the people on Reddit are chill with the stuff we use and even mention it whenever there’s cross verse vs battles on the Ultraman subreddit. Its just a select few that act like jerks that outright ignore databook and even onscreen feats and statements.
 
Yeah, after the important characters should be better.

Indeed.

Also, I was wondering ever since I has Seven's profile created. Should he get resistance to Life Manipulation since it was stated that if he had used it in human form it would reduce his lifespan. It's just Showa stupidity, but it kinda still happened and we're also treating their Teleportation as life-threatening.

Another thought I had is how to upgrade some of the Ultras' Telekinesis, by taking the most baseline examples like Spark Doll Taro's examples of Ultra Psychokinesis, Ultraman's and maybe a few others and scaling them up for Ultras with clearly higher levels of that.
 
Wait why would Seven have resistance to life manipulation? I think your sentence might’ve been incomplete or missing some information. And honestly I think teleportation being life threatening to Ultras is just a thing from the Showa Era to Heisei Era. Like I don’t think I’ve seen any other Ultras afterwards treat it as a life threatening technique at most it just seems like something that drains a lot of energy.

I personally don’t agree with that cause it’s shown that even Spark Doll Taro’s Ultra Psychokinesis can do things like deflecting Tiga Dark’s energy blast. So Taro’s Psychokinesis even in Spark Doll form seems to be well above the baseline. And speaking of which I think I do recall there being a databook that mentioned what the Ultra Brothers specialize in. So I could go and see if I that databook page mentioned anything about their psychokinesis being good or bad.

Oh right also I’ve been meaning to ask. But does Seven really need things like enhanced senses, extrasensory perception, soul manipulation and etc. on his profile when they are already listed on the Ultra Physiology? Like it feels a bit redundant.
 
Because it reduces his lifespan. But eh, it doesn't work anyway since he uses it like two to three more times during his appearance in Leo.

Oh right, forgot about the Tiga Dark example. Well, I guess that databook would be a good reference then. Is it one of those Showa books?

At first it was because his seemed more potent, but I guess that means rookies like Mebius wouldn't have been able to notice other aliens' disguises, huh? As for soul manipulation, I thought I'd list it as such since the CRT agreed that unless there were cases of the Ultra physically doing soul damage, we'd assume they only have it via techniques.

Guess they were the result of lapses in judgment.
 
Oh reducing his own lifespan. Yeah I don't think that would qualify for Life Manipulation.

Currently trying to look through the setting compilation threads for the Ultra Brothers starting with Zoffy. Haven't found it yet. Though I could be mistaken and this never existed. Though I did find a few statements like Zoffy being an inventor and creating many items like the Ultra Magic Ray and the Ultra Bracelet. As well as how Zoffy was the strongest Ultra Brother at the time of Ultraman Taro when Birdon appeared. Also the combination move of the 5 Ultra Brothers, Grand Spark is said to be tens of times stronger than their normal beams. So yeah more proof that combination attacks are much stronger than their individual attacks.

Huh good point. We actually never mentioned what lvl of those abilities they have. Like some Ultras definitely have more potent versions of those abilities. I thought the Ultra Physiology already mentioned those?
  • Mind Manipulation and Soul Manipulation: As a result of their Light, an Ultra is capable of interacting with the deeper consciousness of beings they encounter, such is why they are able to merge their consciousness with a host and defend against the powers of Darkness. Their Lights also allow Ultras to attack their opponents at such level, being how they are able to destroy both body and soul[16][17][18], remove dark energies from their targets[19][20][21][22], and overpower beings of darkness[23][24][25]. Ultras are also responsible for maintaining the Monster Graveyard, keeping the souls resting there subdued and destroying them in the case they reawaken and start rampaging[26].
 
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Yeah.

"Though I could be mistaken and this never existed."
Good lord, lines like that always give me chills. Huh, so he picked up a thing or two from Hikari before he left, cool. Ah, so he was... the strongest. At the time of Taro.

I technically already did mention them, but not classify them in accordance it seems. Well we could always change them, it should be a minor enough CRT, or during the next major one. Looks like I didn't specify how most Ultras should only have it through techniques with exceptions like the cast of UFO being at a higher potency.
 
Yeah he was the strongest at the time of Taro... Until Taro surpassed him by the time Tyrant came around and stomped the 5 Ultra Brothers. Also seems like it was mentioned twice that when Zoffy fought Birdon he was low on energy at the time. The reason being Zoffy sent Taro back to the Land of Light and immediately flew back to Earth without rest. So same reason why Father of Ultra lost to Hipporit. So at full power Zoffy might've been able to defeat Birdon by himself. And I'm pretty sure you know already the God of Noa mentioned in the Antlar episode of Ultraman was none other than Zoffy.
 
Eh, at least it makes some sense, especially after Zoffy himself states that Birdon was also a formidable enemy. And God of Noa being Zoffy, I think I remember that, but where was it stated?
 
Zoffy really out there getting clout long before Man. Rude.

Ah man, the rest is too blurry for even the text extractor to get anything from. Would have been nice to know if it had other effects.
 
Okay I just found another statement and all I can say is wtf how have we not known about this before.

Ultra Slash/Dismembering Halo is a cutting ray that shoots a Spacium Ray like a rotating sawblade. Basically, it is a ring of Spacium energy, but its power is 5 to 6 times that of the Spacium Ray. So during the Showa Era in terms of power Man's finishers go. Dismembering Halo > Ultra Attack Ray > Spacium Ray

Spacium Ray = 1x Spacium Ray

Ultra Attack Ray = 3-4x (Several being 3-4) Spacium Ray

Ultra Slash/Dismembering Halo = 5-6x Spacium Ray

Edit: Also Bullton has multiversal range as it fused all the worlds of the past Ultra Series together in Mega Monster Battle thus allowing monsters of all kinds to appear one after another.
 
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Holy shit. Wow. They really just gonna do that and leave it behind in, when was this databook published? The format looks weird. Does this affect scaling?

Bullton having multiversal range is both surprising and not since we know now that he can BFR others to another universe.
 
Yeah I don't exactly know which databook this is from. The thread maker and other users only post parts of the databook without mentioning which one they are from. And no I don't think it will affect the scaling as I don't think anybody during the Showa Era outside of Zetton and Mephilas managed to destroy the Dismembering Halo. Though things could change as I think I recall Seven's eye slugger being stated to be stronger than Man's cutting attack. I'll have to check Seven's setting thread after I'm done with Man's though.

Yup.
 
Damn Showa and their hidden abundance of information. At the very least I'm hoping they'll transfer these info on the official sites so we can easily refer to them again.
 
Doubt they will do that. Also I think these information about Ultra Attack Ray and Dismembering Halo being stronger than the Spacium Ray should only be listed as higher for Ultraman during the Showa Era. As its clearly shown that by the time of the Heisei Era like Ultraman Mebius, his finishers are considered about the same. Heck nowadays Dismembering Halo is kind of treated as something that's weaker than the actual beams.
 
Currently on the last three page of Man's thread. And the only notable things I could find is what seems to be a newer databook saying Spacium Ray = Ultra Slash which further supports that it was only during the Showa Era that Ultra Slash is considered 5-6x stronger than the Spacium Ray. And the fact that Ultra Attack Beam is outright called his strongest beam and therefore supports it being stronger than Spacium Ray.

Also lol wut. The Mars 133 gun that the SSSP invented has power comparable to Ultraman's Spacium Ray.

Anyways moving on to Seven's thread now.
 
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