The Ultra Series Discussion Thread: Unleash! The Power of Imagination!

[Mr.Cutlery]

The part with limited EE is also from the novel. Or at least someone's rough summarization of the events, which seemed to include quotes from the novel itself. Here. Also answers a portion of the Fear Manip part, probably.

Also, I thought rewinding time to alter events counts as Causality Manipulation to some level? That's why I put it there since he's altering events that already happened.

Teleportation actually comes from Beyond's section in the SCW, I'll try extracting the picture later.

Resistance to EE and Deconstruction is mentioned somewhere in the middle of part 1 from the Darklops Zero Gaiden. I should clarity this, actually. It was never brought up on Zero, but given that everything that steps foot on Chain would be considered anomalies, and Zero who has been around just as long as the first Pendragon crew didn't show symptoms of breaking down, I thought it should count.

I guess I was also leaning on what I remember as the process of extracting fear for Eteldummies as also causing it, but I guess that reasoning can go since Minus Energy already covers that.

 

[Peter1129]

Yeah as I thought the existence erasure and deconstruction was actually from the Darkclops side story. Just saying that's actually Planet Cheney not Planet Boris. Anyway's I'll be updating Zero's ability and resistances for the Miscellaneous revision. Also since some revisions like the Godzilla CRTs had much more stuff on it I think we could probably just list everything in one CRT. I'll add everything else you have listed onto the draft as well

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Yeah, placing Boris was an oversight.

Alright, I'll list everything once I get on my laptop.

 

[Peter1129]

Also I'm still wondering where did this statement for Shining Zero come from? "making those that could have been born to not be born, what could have been would not happen; as if time itself had stopped" Cause I feel like I've heard this somewhere before but I don't really remember exactly where its from. Also this sounds like a great justification to give him time stop as a likely.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

It's in the link I gave about the UZF novel summary. Dotemcee already put in a translation of some dialogues so that's really neat.

 

[Peter1129]

Ahh I see and you said you'll grab the scans for Zero Beyond having combat applicable teleportation right? If so I'll start adding scans for other characters abilities and resistances instead then.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Yeah. It's a really weird case with Beyond's tp though, like it's part of his unused techniques. Just a near insignificant section of the page that most people wouldn't have paid mind to.

Alright then. There'll still be more once I get to the others.

 

[Peter1129]

How does this look now? I added all the things you had listed in one of the previous page of this thread along with some stuff I found.

Miscellaneous Ultra Series Revision Part 3 Ability Additions

Tiering Changes

Just a few stuff I missed

U-Killersaurus

So I kinda forgot about this but normal U-Killersaurus actually only fought the Ultra Brothers at the end of the Showa Era not the Heisei Era. So Base U-Killersaurus should be downgraded to 4-B due to fighting 4 Showa Era Ultra Brothers.

Ultraman Zero

After taking a look at the scaling as well as the Geed SCW again I believe Heisei Zero should probably lose his Low 2-C tier. We originally assumed he was Low 2-C due to being comparable to New Generation Belial since the SCW said they had a fierce fight during the climax of the Omega Armageddon. But after looking at it again it actually never said Belial and Zero had a fierce fight. Instead it only said after a fierce battle, Zero and Belial were in conflict. So the fierce battle was actually talking about the battle Zero had before facing Belial. So from the looks of it the actual battle probably went just like it did in the opening of Ultraman Geed, Belial simply one shot Ultimate Zero after Zero reached him. There wasn’t any fierce offscreen fight between them beforehand.

Not to mention scaling wise, Full Power Ultimate Zero at the time of Ultraman Geed would only be around 240,000x baseline 3-A. But based on our current scaling Pre-Training Tri-Strium Taiga who fought Imit-Belial who is stated to be about equal to Full Power Belial is actually 2,666,667 times baseline 3-A. Literally over ten times stronger than Ultimate Zero of the previous era whom we currently consider to be about on par with Full Power Belial. So it honestly makes no sense for Ultimate Zero to be Low 2-C. So yeah I propose a downgrade for Full Power Zero in the New Generation Era (After Crisis). Only his Reiwa Era self and the other Reiwa Era Ultras should be Low 2-C. Prior to the Reiwa Era, nobody outside of Full Power Belial and the god tiers should be tier 2.

Also Zero's higher with Luna-Miracle should be removed as Luna-Miracle was actually only mentioned to increase his speed but not strength.

Ability Additions

Ultra Physiology Abilties

• Sealing: Numerous Ultras have shown the ability to use sealing. The Ultra Brothers sealed U-Killersaurus. A bunch of other Ultras also sealed the Demon King Beasts.

Ultra Physiology Resistances

• Empathic Manipulation: Planet Tenebris' atmosphere is filled with highly concentrated Minus energy which can trigger negative emotions such as hatred and despair. Zero, the New Generation Ultras, Taro and etc. can all resist the effects of the planet.

Ultraman Zero Abilities

• Causality Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, limited Existence Erasure, and likely Time Stop: By using Shining Star Drive, Zero could alter certain events in his favor. It was also said that under his trance that he runs the risk of potentially erasing certain people from existence by "making those that could have been born to not be born, what could have been would not happen; as if time itself had stopped". After the first use, Zero accidentally undid Belial's death.
• Regeneration (Low-Mid): Healed a wound that penetrated his chest and through his body, hitting his heart and lungs as Zero Beyond.
• Teleportation: Combat applicable as Zero Beyond.

Ultraman Zero Resistances

• Existence Erasure and Deconstruction: Unaffected by Planet Cheney's anomalous nature, which as a planet that does not exist in any universe could erase abnormalities that steps foot on it. The erasure is also described as being a breakdown.
• Empathic Manipulation: Survived the weaponized hatred that fills the Tector Gear Hatred. Broke free of Galberos' illusion which was reflecting his doubts and anxieties back to him. Planet Tenebris' atmosphere is filled with highly concentrated Minus energy which can trigger negative emotions such as hatred and despair.
• Statistics Reduction: Broke out of the Techtor Gear Hatred, which lowers his strength.
• Illusion Creation: Broke himself out of Galberos' illusion dimension.
• Absorption: Could resist the effects of Ultra Dark-Killer's Dark-Killer Zone and would've lasted longer had he not been sharing his energy with Grigio.
• Fear Manipulation: Overcame forceful triggering of his memories of when he was forced to kill his comrades, which had caused him PTSD.
• Gravity Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, and Time Manipulation: Survived being inside of Bullton's 4-dimensional pocket space, which had the effect of warping natural phenomena. Was also forced to swim through the literal sands of time in order for him to regain and control his Shining form, during which he was assailed by clusters of sand that had taken the form of a boulder.

Ultraman Belial Abilities

• Biological Manipulation: By using his Atros Hell Claws, Belial could destroy the target's cells.
• Quantum Manipulation: Same reason he has space-time manipulation. Universes are also distinguished from the fact that each has differing quantum structures, so at his level of power, Belial would logically have to be able to effect the universe on such scale as well.
• Life Manipulation: As Arch Belial, his hits were forcing Zero's light to leave his body.

Ultraman Belial Resistances

• Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation, and Quantum Manipulation: Survived being at the epicenter of the Super-Dimension Eradication Bomb.

Ultraman King Abilities

• Quantum Manipulation: Restored the entirety of Side Space universe.
• Life Manipulation: Gave Leo energy that healed him from the brink of death.

Ultraman X Abilities

• Reality Warping and Subjective Reality: The true ability of the Xlugger is the ability to turn the users' thoughts into reality. Daichi wanted to coexist with monsters so against Dark Thunder Energy amped monsters it merely removes the energy. Against Gua it removed their immortality which allowed them to be permanently killed. It allowed Daichi to see his parents in the past due to his wish of wanting to see them again. Asuna wanted Daichi to come back so the Xlugger brought him back in digital space. On its first usage Daichi wanted to stop Greeza so the Xlugger briefly destroyed Greeza and gave it a half material half nonexistent body that finally allowed it to be hit by normal attacks. On second usage he wanted to free Gomora and allow monsters to live on Earth so it forced Greeza to spit out the monsters and aliens it absorbed. On third usage it permanently gave Greeza a physical body and killed it.
• Fate Manipulation and Probability Manipulation: Originally, Greeza was supposed to annihilate all life on Earth. However, the Xlugger changed the outcome of that future and turned it into one where Greeza was defeated.
• Possibly Deconstruction: X used the Xlugger shot alongside Nexus' Over-Ray Schtrom which decomposes its target at a molecular lvl in order to destroy Bugbuzun. (I'm honestly kind of iffy on assuming Xlugger shot having deconstruction simply because of it being used alongside Over-Ray Schtrom)

Ultraman X Resistances

• Acid Manipulation: Can hold himself together while surrounded by Bemstar's digestive enzymes.
• Statistics Reduction and Deconstruction: Dark Thunder Energy caused X's power to decrease, which he is no longer affected by after gaining Exceed form.

Ultraman Orb Abilities

• Regeneration Negation (Low-Godly): According to the SCW, Orb is fast enough to temporarily block off Reibatos' regeneration while using Emerium Slugger.
• Paralysis Inducement: SCW states that Sperion Attack Ray turns enemies rigid before pulverizing them. Can also use Catch Rings which binds enemies.
• Ice Manipulation: As Hurricane Slash, Orb can fire a fluid that freezes enemies using the technique Hurricane Frost.

Greeza Abilities

• Immortality (Type 4, 5, and 8): Greeza can resurrect itself via regeneration from nothing after a short period of time. Greeza doesn't exist at all. Greeza cannot be killed as it is the void itself. Even in series they could only return it back to nothing rather than kill it.
• Possibly Abstract Existence (Type [Don't know what type Greeza qualifies for so I'll let you guys decide]): Greeza is a hole in space the void itself. It cannot be affected by any conventional means and it can regenerate from nothing even if its destroyed by reality warping from inside itself. It could only be returned to nothingness by using the space needle something that exists within Greeza, the void itself. The inside of Greeza is literally an empty void.
• Invulnerability: Cannot be harmed by physical or energy attacks as Greeza doesn't actually exist.
• Passive Law Manipulation: Greeza's existence itself disrupt the laws of the universe. It can only exist once Bullton who bears the irrationalities of the universe has been killed.
• Self-Sustenance (Type 1, 2, and 3): Greeza is shown to fly through space without the need of oxygen and can act without any food or rest as it is a literal void.
• Statistics Reduction and Deconstruction: Greeza's Dark Thunder Energy can weaken and break down other beings.
• Reactive Power Level and Reactive Evolution: Zaragas was among the spark dolls Greeza absorbed. Zaragas can get stronger the more its attacked and it can also evolve and learn new abilities after being hit by attacks.
• Invisibility: Neronga was among the spark dolls Greeza absorbed. Neronga can turn invisible.
• Radiation Manipulation: Alien Zarab was among the spark dolls Greeza absorbed. Zarab can generate a lethal radiation gas of 400 roentgen on a citywide scale.
• Size Manipulation: Alien Zarab was among the spark dolls Greeza absorbed. Zarab can change his own size.
• Shapeshifting: Alien Zarab was among the spark dolls Greeza absorbed. Zarab can change his own form.
• Mind Manipulation: Alien Zarab was among the spark dolls Greeza absorbed. Zarab can control the mind of others.
• Ultra Physiology: In Ultraman Z, Greeza almost fully absorbed and fused with Galaxy Rising Geed.
• Subjective Reality: Greeza almost fully absorbed Geed. Geed was able to trap Greeza in between void and reality by fusing with it.

Greeza Resistances/Immunities

• Immunity to Information Manipulation: Greeza's form is merely the mind's attempt to perceive a total lack of information.
• Extrasensory Perception: Could not be sensed even by equipments that can detect space-time energy.

Greeza Ability Changes

Time Manipulation and Matter Manipulation should be replaced with Transmutation.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Yeah, that looks good. Huh, it really does look big even with only this much. Lessee how much bigger it'll look once I get the others in later.

 

[Peter1129]

Also what type of abstract existence does Greeza qualify for? Cause Greeza seems to fit both types of Abstract Existence to an extent. Also added immortality type 4 and 5 as Greeza qualifies for both.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Oh, yeah, he does. Maybe just put it up in the CRT and see which one is the best bet?

 

[Peter1129]

Alright I'll just leave it to the CRT to decide that one.

Oh right just realized Haruki also said Greeza disrupt the laws of the universe. And there's also the thing with Greeza only being able to exist after Bullton who bears the irrationalities of a universe has died. So that's also Law Manipulation for Greeza.

Also does Greeza also fit Type 8 Immortality? Like it technically can't die unless the void itself is gone. Haruki and Z only used Beliarok to return it back to nothingness but they didn't actually kill Greeza.

But man the more I look at Greeza the more I realize how haxxed and broken it is.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Shit, they're both a yes. I can't believe we didn't see that before.

 

[Peter1129]

Also should we decide to give Ultraman Z Greeza a higher after absorbing Geed? Greeza did almost absorb Geed in Ultraman Z after all. Not to mention some profiles do have what if keys. This would give Ultraman Z Greeza Ultra Physiology and the abilities exclusive to Geed such as Subjective Reality and Immersion as Geed could briefly lock Greeza between the void and reality by fusing with it.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

I guess it works. I neevr actually considered SR and Immersion before, so that'd be interesting to put on Geed's profile.

 

[Peter1129]

Well than even more upgrades for Greeza. Man Greeza really is busted. Plus due to Zaragas’ Reactive Power Level, Greeza is now pretty much IF but better at this point.

Actually wait doesn't Zaragas also fit the description of Reactive Evolution?

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

And further solidifies Z as a more proper Reiwa Max.

Alright step back a second. Where would Law Manip fall under? Greeza's very existence actually caused a more widespread distortion given the readings shown in the prologue section, so is it passive?

I thought it'd be Adaptation, but Trigger does reveal that Zaragas' cells immediately reacts to attacks and gives him the appropriate defenses, so yeah, I think so.

 

[Peter1129]

And Trigger is Reiwa Nexus. Poor Kengo fighting so many tough battles nonstop. Like he technically fought a 1v8 in the latest episode.

I think there was actually an interview that said IF was based off of Zaragas. So Greeza absorbed IF lite but due to its own abilities it is now essentially IF+.

Yeah I think it might be passive Law Manipulation via its existence.

Yep that's also why I think Zaragas actually fits Reactive Evolution which is supposed to be Adaptation + Reactive Power Level in the first place.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Hey, at least he doesn't consider his power a punishment. Yet.

That's a very good description.

Nice. But I checked again, and didn't Haruki say "kotowari(理)"? That translates more into "justice, truth, way of things". Though I guess it still does sort of fall in line with what we already have. Too bad it doesn't scale to anyone as resistance.

RE it is, then.

 

[Peter1129]

I'm pretty sure way of things in the universe basically just means laws of the universe. Like another meaning to kotowari is reason apparently. So Greeza can pretty much disrupt the reason/law/way of the universe.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Passively distorts all laws of the universe. I like it, actually makes better sense now as to why Bullton was what's keeping him at bay. Actually, would Law Manip now go to Bullton as well seeing as it keeps universal balance?

 

[Peter1129]

I mean even from Riku's description of Bullton it always seemed to me like Bullton is an essential part of the universe and therefore a law of some kind.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

So there it goes then.

conceptual Bullton when TsuPro?

 

[Peter1129]

Anyways I think I am done updating everything I know for the CRT. Remember to post whatever new abilities you find for the characters. So yeah I'm gonna go to sleep now bye.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Alright then.

 

[Peter1129]

Currently still gathering images wherever it works (Because I don't know how to make gifs and some fights don't exist out here), and looking back, I think we forgot to give Greeza Statistics Reduction and Deconstruction. It's said in Episode 12 of X where Rui and Mamoru theorized whether X is getting weaker or Demaaga stronger, which Gourman suspects is both. Even X himself said his body is breaking down from getting hit by DTE. And perhaps because of that, he should also get resistance to both after getting Exceed X. (I initially proposed for Geed and Z to potentially have it as well, but it's bunk)

Edit: Also quite a few more. Exceed X himself might also get Statistics Reduction against darkness users. On another topic, Ginga's finale has Dark Lugiel include fear as part of Minus Energy, so that's more resistance to the New Gens for being unaffected by Planet Tenebris' atmosphere. And knowing what Nexus and Max has, GingaVictory should also get their Deconstruction and Matter Manipulation powers, with Ultra Fusion Shoot being a stronger version due to literally mixing all of their powers into it.

Completely forgot about these. I'll add Greeza for now as I know what episode its in. I'll add the New Gen stuff tomorrow.

Edit: And done. Now I can go to sleep.

 

[Kamenriderblaze]

BTW ưhich ultra have resistant to power null

Because it is said that techtor gear hatred is similar to the original, limited Zero's strength and speed but also electrocuted Zero when he tried to remove it, making it as well shock restraints.

 

[Kamenriderblaze]

It's in the link I gave about the UZF novel summary. Dotemcee already put in a translation of some dialogues so that's really neat.

Can you give me link

And where did it said that ?

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

There's not much, if any, that comes to mind with resistance to power null. Even Zero only has resistance to Stats Reduction. And the link is literally already in this page.

But here.

 

[Kamenriderblaze]

I mean what said that

The only thing that come close to it is what the guardian of time said

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Bro, said what? Can you at least quote what you're confused about? The quotes are of the novel's dialogues, it's already there. It's already there.

 

[Kamenriderblaze]

What i mean is where it write like that shining zero can do that ?

 

[Kamenriderblaze]

Is it the guardian who said shinning zero have those ability

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Picking it directly from the page:

Guardian of Time: Suppose you have regained that power. You use it to save your companions when trouble arises. But then what of the others? There are many stars in this universe as there are many unreasonable and unfortunate deaths, that is true. Will you save them all? What should have been born anew might not be born at all. It would be like stopping the flow of time itself. In a sense, this world will die.

It's already there. You just have to extract the appropriate power from it.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Alright, time to post the powers and abilities:

X:
*Regeneration (Low-Mid) or Resistance to Deconstruction (Episode 4; Is able to hold himself together while surrounded by Bemstar's digestive enzymes; Later survives DTE strikes after getting Exceed X)
*Resistance to Statistics Reduction as Exceed X (Dark Thunder Energy caused X's power to decrease, which he is no longer affected by after gaining Exceed X)
*Resurrection Negation (Episode 14; Exceed X; Removed the Gua siblings' ability to resurrect; Should fall under Reality Warping through Xlugger, but for now, this is to simplify the list)
*Deconstruction (Possibly|Episode 20; The Xlugger Shot was used against the Space Beast Bugbuzun, hinting to a similar usage as Nexus' powers|I just realized I'm not sure how to word this)
*Possibly Probability Manipulation via Xlugger (Episode 22; Daichi's mother theorized that the particles discovered within the Xlugger contained messages from the future where Earth was destroyed, and with the weapon, X was able to avert such future)
*Reality Warping (As per abilities we've already discussed, I don't remember everything so add what you remember I guess)

You know, minor interruption, I just realized that New Gens actually have a lot of feats that could vaguely be recognized as Probability Manipulation.

Orb:
*Regeneration Negation (Limited; Low Godly; According to the SCW, ES is fast enough to temporarily block off Reibatos' regeneration, and did so long enough for him to use ES Specium)
*Paralysis Inducement and Durability Negation (Possibly; SCW states that Sperion Attack Ray turns enemies rigid before pulverizing them[possibly scales to Man because it's based on his Ultra Attack Ray? I was genuinely shocked at this one]; Can also use Catch Rings which binds enemies)
*Ice Manipulation (HS; Fires a fluid that freezes enemies)

Post-Write Me: This is actually weird. I expected it to be much longer, but it doesn't seem to be the case. I'll try looking into X and Orb's SCW section again and see if I missed anything. In the meantime, I'm also getting the scans for Zero Beyond and ES because I forgot.

Edit: Zero Beyond (Rough TL: Using his supernatural abilities to teleport, Zero plays tricks on his enemies) and Emerium Slugger (Rough TL: With Emerium Slugger's consecutive attacks, Reibatos' regeneration is sealed/blocked/prevented). inb4 they reveal "Shunkan Idou is" actually just high speed movement as per Max's ability description

Edit 2: Added some to Orb. So yeah, exactly what should have been averted if further research was conducted beforehand.

 

[Peter1129]

Alright I'll start adding these onto the list.

Also I was thinking we should probably remove the higher with Luna-Miracle from Zero's profile. Cause looking at the official stats it only said Luna-Miracle increases Zero's underwater speed without mentioning the strength increasing. So AP wise Luna-Miracle should be the same as Base Zero just faster and with more abilities.

Zero's form changes seem to be increasing one stat while the other stays the same. Rather then both increasing or one increasing and another decreasing.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

I guess it's fine for removal then. Honestly it would have been better if the speed forms only increase, you know, speed, instead of New Gen situation where other forms always increase strength as well. But eh, not much can be done.

 

[Peter1129]

Also how does this description work for X's reality warping? I couldn't find the original Japanese interview with Taguchi so I just got the Chinese translation of the interview for Xlugger's power instead.

Reality Warping: The true ability of the Xlugger is the ability to turn the users' thoughts into reality. Daichi wanted to coexist with monsters so against Dark Thunder Energy amped monsters it merely removes the energy. Against Gua it removed their immortality which allowed them to permanently be killed. Asuna wanted Daichi to come back so the Xlugger brought him back in data space. On its first usage Daichi wanted to stop Greeza so the Xlugger briefly killed Greeza and gave it a half material half nonexistent body that finally allowed it to be hit by normal attacks. On second usage he wanted to free Gomora and allow monsters to live on Earth so it forced Greeza to spit out the monsters and aliens it absorbed. On third usage it permanently gave Greeza a physically body and killed it.

Also I'm gonna be going out to do some stuff so i won't be updating the draft for a few hours.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Oh man, look at that. It looks good, yeah. But doesn't this also qualify for Subjective Reality because it turns the user's thoughts into reality?

Ah, gotcha. It's nighttime here anyway so I won't be a bother soon.

 

[Peter1129]

Oh right yeah this also fits the requirements for Subjective Reality.

Alright c ya

Edit: Oh right also on second thought I don’t think Geed and Greeza should get immersion. Immersion is actually crossing the boundary between reality and fiction specifically. I don’t think locking Greeza in between reality and nonexistence counts as Immersion. So they should only get subjective reality.

Also I just realized somehow we placed matter manipulation rather than transmutation for Greeza’s ability to turn things into spark dolls.

And this reminds me are there any abilities that needs to be removed from the profiles?