The two strongest 2-Cs from Dragon Ball Super duke it out

[GarrixianXD]

Manga Vegito rivals Beerus, who's stated to be still leagues beyond Goku and Vegeta, so who really knows

MUI Goku was also speculated to be stronger than Beerus but that turned out to be a fallacy.

We never seen Beerus exerting his true power.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

It is

Scales above suppressed Jiren bare minimum since blueku>heavily suppressed jiren

no I’m pretty sure SSJR is accepted as SSGSS it’s literally stated to be so

On the site its currently accepted as his Super Saiyan form because its consistently called that

 

[GarrixianXD]

It is

Scales above suppressed Jiren bare minimum since blueku>heavily suppressed jiren

no I’m pretty sure SSJR is accepted as being as strong as SSGSS since its stated to be so

And how does Jiren scale to 6 universes again?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

MUI Goku was also speculated to be stronger than Beerus but that turned out to be a fallacy.

We never seen Beerus exerting his true power.

^^^

Take all the manga Beerus statements with a grain of salt because Toyotaro is a hack

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

That is from WAY before the Galactic Patrol Prisoner Saga, and considering Toyotaro right now sees Beerus as stronger than Black Frieza...

Yeah, from an outside perspective, It's clear that Beerus is an always moving goalpost, but like, the statements weren't really retconned, so they'd still apply

 

[GarrixianXD]

^^^

Take all the manga Beerus statements with a grain of salt because Toyotaro is a hack

no shit lmao

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

And how does Jiren scale to 6 universes again?

Blud just look at the profiles

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

On the site its currently accepted as his Super Saiyan form because its consistently called that

Can you show me where ssjr is stated to be as strong as ssj? And where that was accepted because I doubt that

 

[GarrixianXD]

Blud just look at the profiles

Lmao it wasn’t there before

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Actually, I wonder if Vegito could win with the mafuba,
if that doesn't work, I bet lad could incon with a Kaioken x20 Final Explosion

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Can you show me where ssjr is stated to be as strong as ssj? And where that was accepted because I doubt that

They call it Super Saiyan

Its also called a Goku Black version of Super Saiyan

That is why its accepted as a 50 times multiplier on this site

Only in the manga is it the same multiplier as SSB

 

[speedster352]

If you realize that Vegito was suppressed and still clapping Zamasu and the only thing that actually cut his time was the final kamehameha beside that he should be good for like 10 minutes shorter with kaioken.

 

[speedster352]

They call it Super Saiyan

Its also called a Goku Black version of Super Saiyan

That is why its accepted as a 50 times multiplier on this site

Yeah but it has god ki added to it and how do you get super saiyan blue you add super saiyan on top of god ki

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Yeah but it has god ki added to it and how do you get super saiyan blue you add super saiyan on top of god ki

Goku Black naturally has god ki. His Super Saiyan form is pink as a result. Its not like Goku and Vegeta only manifesting god ki with their transformations

Think of Goku Black as a natural Super Saiyan God

 

[Omegas03]

How does early ToP Goku scale above Vegito Blue what did I miss here

 

[speedster352]

Goku Black naturally has god ki. His Super Saiyan form is pink as a result. Its not like Goku and Vegeta only manifesting god ki with their transformations

Think of Goku Black as a natural Super Saiyan God

Yeah but ssr shouldn’t just be a 50x multiplier also he should be much higher after unlocking the scythe.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

How does early ToP Goku scale above Vegito Blue what did I miss here

Because the show producers said "**** scaling" and decided to make Trunks able to harm Giant Grotesque Zamasu even before he gained the Sword of Hope

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

They call it Super Saiyan

Its also called a Goku Black version of Super Saiyan

That is why its accepted as a 50 times multiplier on this site

Only in the manga is it the same multiplier as SSB

Being called a new level of super saiyan doenst mean it’s only SSJ ssj2 is referred to being beyond ssj/ascended Saiyan and ssj3 is referred to as further beyond

And depending on the context SSJ can just refer to Super Saiyan transformations in general an example of this is here

Also I noticed you cropped out that scan
Another example of this is in the manga

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Also y'all are right SSR should have that high of a multiplier because Goku Black lost his divinity but regained it via the zenkai boosts and shit

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

That statement about SSR's strength being a match for SSB seems to only refer to Black's usage of it ignoring the fact that the multiplier is that high

 

[BlastX]

Actually, I wonder if Vegito could win with the mafuba,
if that doesn't work, I bet lad could incon with a Kaioken x20 Final Explosion

Defuses before he can even finish charging the attack.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Well then, Vegito is 50 times stronger than we thought because SSR is in fact an at least 2,500x multiplier

Now he's 2.5x stronger than Black Frieza ignoring unquantifiable upscaling

Can he finish him off before his fusion timer runs out?

 

[Omegas03]

Because the show producers said "**** scaling" and decided to make Trunks able to harm Giant Grotesque Zamasu even before he gained the Sword of Hope

But that doesn't mean Goku and Vegeta scale to that lol I dont think I am willing to buy SSB Goku > FT arc SSB Vegito until post UIS1 or even UIS2

 

[BlastX]

Uh, so now this turned into SSJ Goku VS Full Power Freezer in Namek.

Except Vegerot is the one with the time limit here.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

But that doesn't mean Goku and Vegeta scale to that lol I dont think I am willing to buy SSB Goku > FT arc SSB Vegito until post UIS1 or even UIS2

Yes they scale to it, only after they recover of course

Considering SS2 Kefla surpasses UIO1 Goku and can one-shot UIO2 Goku with her final attack, the Saiyans being stronger than their past fusion isn't unbelievable

That and the fact that Super has so many instances of stupid zenkais, them making that jump isn't unbelievable either

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

That statement about SSR's strength being a match for SSB seems to only refer to Black's usage of it ignoring the fact that the multiplier is that high

But it’s talking about the form in general and SSJ can just refer to Super Saiyan transformations in general I showed an instance there and I have more (here, here)
and then we have WOG

Being called a new level of super saiyan doenst mean it’s only SSJ ssj2 is referred to being beyond ssj/ascended Saiyan and ssj3 is referred to as further beyond

And depending on the context SSJ can just refer to Super Saiyan transformations in general an example of this is here

Also I noticed you cropped out that scan
Another example of this is in the manga

 

[speedster352]

Defuses before he can even finish charging the attack.

Not really his time was cut because of the final kamehameha everyone keeps forgetting that. Also moving at mftl speed makes time not too big of a deal look at the tournament of power. He will have enough time to use kaioken and finish off frieza with sprit sword or final kamehameha

 

[SlendVeny]

Plus, scaling Moro-Saga Omen UI above Blue Gogeta seems, pretty dubious

After the Moro arc, Goku and Vegeta were said to be the strongest on the universe, which includes Broly.

 

[BlastX]

Not really his time was cut because of the final kamehameha everyone keeps forgetting that. Also moving at mftl speed makes time not too big of a deal look at the tournament of power. He will have enough time to use kaioken and finish off frieza with sprit sword or final kamehameha

I know that, that's why I said it.

I mean, if it was just Final Explosion, yeah maybe he could fire off the attack...but stacking Kaioken x20 before that? No that just eat his fusion time, (plus he would be fighting beforehand, so even less time) I wouldn't be surprised if the second he activates it he defuses.

But it's pointless now since he has the AP advantage now.

 

[SlendVeny]

Well then, Vegito is 50 times stronger than we thought because SSR is in fact an at least 2,500x multiplier

Now he's 2.5x stronger than Black Frieza ignoring unquantifiable upscaling

Can he finish him off before his fusion timer runs out?

Yes! This is what I was waiting for!

Let's go!

Black Frieza:

-Higher Skill: A possibility
-Tail: Natural weaponry
-Golden Death Ball > Supernova > Death Ball
-Homing Death Beam
-Death Psycho Bomb
-Death Saucers
-Imprisonment Ball
-Oneshotted Gas, Vegeta, and Goku casually.
-Can switch in and out of his form to preserve stamina
-Can breathe in space, so he can just blow everything up.
-Mimicry

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

The skill difference is nonexistent, although Frieza's preferred arsenal seems more promising

Frieza's endurance and survivability is INSANE, so I don't think Vegito can reliably take him down in time

 

[speedster352]

The skill difference is nonexistent, although Frieza's preferred arsenal seems more promising

Frieza's endurance and survivability is INSANE, so I don't think Vegito can reliably take him down in time

Full power blue plus Kaioken plus sprit sword makes Frieza back to chunks again like fruit ninja then final kamehameha. That’s my take on this mimicry Vegito has too. Possible skill advantage nope Vegito out skills.

Yes! This is what I was waiting for!

Let's go!

Black Frieza:

-Higher Skill: A possibility
-Tail: Natural weaponry
-Golden Death Ball > Supernova > Death Ball
-Homing Death Beam
-Death Psycho Bomb
-Death Saucers
-Imprisonment Ball
-Oneshotted Gas, Vegeta, and Goku casually.
-Can switch in and out of his form to preserve stamina
-Can breathe in space, so he can just blow everything up.
-Mimicry

Those attacks get negated like holy wrath or dodged by it and etc. switching out is a bad idea because massive speed advantage with kaioken so one shot if not fast to transform.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Vegito's not gonna be thinking of using Kaio-ken, especially considering this is before Goku conditioned his body to handle it in preparation for the Tournament of Power

Also, Vegito has no reason to even think of using it because he's 2.5x stronger than Black Frieza

 

[BlastX]

Also, it just shorten his fusion time.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I was alluding to that

 

[GarrixianXD]

Since Vegito has the AP advantage wouldn‘t he win?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Its a question of whether or not he can kill Frieza before his extremely limited fusion duration expires

 

[SlendVeny]

Full power blue plus Kaioken

Lowers fusion time drastically

 

[GarrixianXD]

Lowers fusion time drastically

uhm, no it does not

 

[speedster352]

Lowers fusion time drastically

Even if Vegito had a few minutes fighting at mftl speeds makes it not a big deal look at the tournament of power