The Tickle Monster tries to save a suicidal janitor

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Drowning's not the only option, just the most viable to where they start.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Amd what other option does thunder have? 999 has no organs, yo killing himself through his organs being dammaged will not affect it either

 

[Wokistan]

The damage is irrelevant compared to the state of death. While the stand does replicate the positions and stuff, the main purpose is to share his death with another. Even if the way he dies isn't applicable to the opponent due to their physiology, the stand should still replicate the general condition of death. So McQueen can still kill himself. It's death manipulation with an added flair, basically.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

But 999 isnt even an alive object at all. Beyond that, what is the stands best show of sharing its death? Has it ever killed someone immunte to the way thunder killed himself?

 

[Wokistan]

Nobody died to thunder in canon, but that's just how death manip works. 999 is definitely alive enough to die, and has no resistance to death manip, so it would work if he got the chance.

 

[Crimson_Azoth]

999 can die, the same way the Scarlet King, his brides, and all the children of his brides can die. Like Wokistan said, what Thunder McQueen does is just really powerful Death Manipulation, similar to what Light does with the Death Note.

999 is not immune to Death Manipulation. There is an SCP tale where 999 was in serious danger of dying, from what, it was not explained, but it appeared to be SCP-1440 threatening them. If you don't know who that, is, look him up, he's cool. But, what 1440 does is simply Death Manipulation ramped up to an unbelievable degree. Sure, the tale was deleted due to it actually sucking, but most tales in the Foundation are considered very canon. If the tale had been written better, it would have been kept, and the discussion page for that very tale discussed whether 999 would be immune to Death Manipulation, and decided that no, it isn't. So, Thunder's Highway to Hell would very well work against our little bundle of joy.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

But highway to hell works by reflecting damage, and 1440s stroy with it is not only non canon anymore, but its death manip is much higher level.

So ill ask, where was it stated that it kills the enemy even if they are immine to the way thunder died. Or stated anyways

 

[Crimson_Azoth]

Duh, hell, I dunno! On his page, it says his powers are Durability Negation and Death Manipulation, and I would assume those two combined would work the same way as the Avada Kedavra curse from Harry Potter, or, as I said before, the titular Death Note. Point, shoot. Unblockable, instant death, see ya.

If Thunder stops his heart, then does anyone without organs survive? Or do they just suffer the equivilant of a heart attack? The way I interpret this character is that he kills himself, and if it's a slow death, like drowning, his opponent slowly dies at the same rate as him, even if he wishes to kill a fish.

Please, for the love of all things holy, can someone versed on this character end this debate?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

But death manipulation is given to anyone who causes insta death, like voldemort, who does so by ripping someones soul out.

And the problem js that there is no proof of that, his power reflects dammage he takes on others, as far as ive been informed, there isnt actual death manipulation ongoing.

 

[Overlord775]

But death manipulation is given to anyone who causes insta death, like voldemort, who does so by ripping someones soul out.

no, Voldemorth has death manipulation because of avada kadavra

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Amd avada kedavra work by ripping the soul out, which is why it created a horcrux when he was hit by it

 

[Crimson_Azoth]

Amd avada kedavra work by ripping the soul out, which is why it created a horcrux when he was hit by it

No. In the Harry Potter verse, the act of killing is what splits the soul. Not the actual curse. And it does not split the soul of the target, but rather the caster. Voldemort creates horcruxs by actually killing people. Not by getting hit with the curse. How many horcruxs does he have? Seven, eight? He hasn't been hit by the killing curse that many times, only once. His soul wasn't split when Harry survived. In Harry Potter, Voldemort canonically doees not have a soul. The killing curse thrust his soul from his body, which should kill a person, but the presence of his other seven horcruxs kept him alive. The remained of Voldemort's soul latched onto the only living thing in the room, Harry. The resurrected Voldemort actually does not have a soul, which is why he reacts so weirdly to the Killing Curse.

 

[CrackerVolley]

999 for the reasons above

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No, only a piece of his soul attached to harry, while the rest was later found by the dark arts teacher in the first book, who tought he could subdue him and got possesed because of that.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Did this just turn into a Harry Potter Discussion Thread all of the sudden?

 

[CrackerVolley]

Yes.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

LotR is better.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Anyhow, unless someone can prove that thi der uses the conceptual version of death manipulation, he is uncapable of winning

 

[Crimson_Azoth]

No one can prove that since, to my knowledge, no one has died to Thunder in JoJo canon.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Then its an unbased assumption, instead of simly explaining it as dammage reflection.

 

[Wokistan]

Since when did 999 need conceptual death manip to die exactly?

 

[Crimson_Azoth]

Then why is he able to kill characters with planet level durability? Such as Saitama and Son Goku? Both characters have easily tanked attacks far worse than anything Thunder could throw at them. Damage reflection wouldn't work in this case, as both characters would shrug off that level of damage.

Or Lightning McQueen? I don't know if you've tried to kill a car using human-killing methods. It's kinda hard.

 

[Wokistan]

Also, he could win by just taking a box and putting it over 999 for incap. Doesn't even need to have his ability to work.

 

[Crimson_Azoth]

Uhhhh yeah.... that would work. Not in his character to try that though.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Since when did 999 need conceptual death manip to die exactly?

It does nkt, but having its non existant irgans crushed, or its non exictent lungs deprived of oxygen will not affect it.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Then why is he able to kill characters with planet level durability? Such as Saitama and Son Goku? Both characters have easily tanked attacks far worse than anything Thunder could throw at them. Damage reflection wouldn't work in this case, as both characters would shrug off that level of damage.

because hax, HtH bypasses durability. They are strong enough to turn McQueen into a pile of guts, and HtH shares the fate

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Then why is he able to kill characters with planet level durability? Such as Saitama and Son Goku? Both characters have easily tanked attacks far worse than anything Thunder could throw at them. Damage reflection wouldn't work in this case, as both characters would shrug off that level of damage.

Or Lightning McQueen? I don't know if you've tried to kill a car using human-killing methods. It's kinda hard.

Because it still bypasses durabiluty, if you want a comparisson, its like hidan from anruto, all damage done to his body gets reflected on others, ignoring durability. This does not, however, ignkre watered down elemental intangibility.

I have no idea how it would work on a car however.

 

[Crimson_Azoth]

No, only a piece of his soul attached to harry, while the rest was later found by the dark arts teacher in the first book, who tought he could subdue him and got possesed because of that.

While that is right, Avada Kedavra still doesn't work by forcefully ripping the soul out, as you claimed earlier. That isn't how Horcruxs get made.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Also, he could win by just taking a box and putting it over 999 for incap. Doesn't even need to have his ability to work.

Exept he would not do that, while in character, he goes for suicide.

While bloodlusted, he goes for suicide, as he believes thats the most likely thing to kill his enemy.

And where would he get a box the size of 999?

 

[Crimson_Azoth]

We don't know that it has no organs. The SCP Foundation file says that it APPEARS to have no organs to speak of, but they don't actually know, having never actually cut it open and checked. And in the Foundationverse, nothing is ever really what it seems, so 999 could possess organs.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

While horcrux arent made with avada kedavra, there is no proof against it being soul based and there is proof for it, such as it affecting voldemorts soul

 

[Crimson_Azoth]

And where would he get a box the size of 999?

Oh boy. 999's "form is the size of a large beanbag chair". You could easily get a box that size, especially as it's animorphous.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

We don't know that it has no organs. The SCP Foundation file says that it APPEARS to have no organs to speak of, but they don't actually know, having never actually cut it open and checked. And in the Foundationverse, nothing is ever really what it seems, so 999 could possess organs.

No, it litiraly explains that it has no organs with the exeption of a slimy exsoskeleton of kinds. It is needed to put 'appears' due to the nature of many scp, unless your saying that the human scps are nkt actualy what the descriptions say they look like.

 

[Crimson_Azoth]

While horcrux arent made with avada kedavra, there is no proof against it being soul based and there is proof for it, such as it affecting voldemorts soul

It's stated clearly in the Harry Potter verse that souls are affected by the actual act of killing someone. Voldemort's soul was affected the night he went after Harry because he killed Harry's parents literal seconds before. His soul was split then, but when he was 'killed' he left that bit of his soul behind. With no one there to control the piece of soul, as Dumbledore says in The Deathly Hallows;

"It latched itself onto the only living thing in the area. Harry himself"

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Other than a thin, transparent membrane surrounding the orange mass, subject appears to have no organs to speak of.


Your argument is that what they have observed might possibly be wrong, but there is simply no proof of it being so, and there is proof of it not being so. (the slime extracted,being shot with no negative side effects and its ever changing size)

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

It's stated clearly in the Harry Potter verse that souls are affected by the actual act of killing someone. Voldemort's soul was affected the night he went after Harry because he killed Harry's parents literal seconds before. His soul was split then, but when he was 'killed' he left that bit of his soul behind. With no one there to control the piece of soul, as Dumbledore says in The Deathly Hallows;

"It latched itself onto the only living thing in the area. Harry himself"

That does not change the fact that his soul was firced to leave the body, and no, souls are not affected by just killing someone, unless a unicorn. There js a whole ritual to go through before they really get affected

 

[Crimson_Azoth]

And there, the addition of an exoskeleton shows just how 999 can be killed. You stated way, way earlier than 999 would survive getting it's "non-existant organ" crushed. Surely, if the shape of the creature is drastically changed in any way, the slimy exoskeleton would rip. Thunder doing anything that would cut his skin would also cut 999's exoskeleton, no?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Exept it being shot through did not seem to kill it, or did you just ignore that?

 

[Crimson_Azoth]

Let me quote Professor Slughorn here, in the Half Blood Prince.

"By an act of evil — the supreme act of evil. By committing murder. Killing rips the soul apart."

This is him talking to Tom Riddle about Horcruxs in the memory that Harry gets.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

And rowling further explains that she could not explain further because its a kids book