The Strongest Might!! All Might vs Might Guy

[Ricsi-viragosi]

... Gaia's whole thing was that when he was seven years old he was so skilled that he could outskiill his magic wielding classmates hard enough that he was promoted despite failing the tests.

His father taught him martial arts since he was a small child for god's sake.

Plus, even Naruto, the idiot of the class, could come up with the fuma shuriken tactic on the fly. People in Naruto are all masters of combat because AP is rarely a deciding factor for most jounin. It can be for Gai, but he also needed to get that far alive.


Also, All Might normally holding back but not doing so here giving him a speed boost is the dumbest thing. Does Saitama speedblitzed in every speed equal match according to you?

 

[Andytrenom]

>Gaia

 

[AnonymousBlank]

>Gaia

Its Rule 63 Guy

 

[Zaratthustra]

You know that AP is not everything cause if so Goku would be the strongest Low 2-C. Hax, skills, techniques, experience, personality matters in a fight. It's not a loss as Guy still wins through experience, skills, martial arts, better combatant shown through the Manga.

 

[Andytrenom]

I don't think Goku is that high into Low 2-C.

 

[Zaratthustra]

From what I remember, he has the highest AP. I can be wrong.

 

[Kappatalism]

Gai only won because of AP and Speed Enhance. Now all votes are overturned

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Gai still has a huge skill advantage that All Might doesn't. At this point, it comes down to skill vs brawn so incon is a more likely outcome imo.

 

[Zaratthustra]

No, Guy won because he has better skills/techniques/experience and he would go for the kill while All Might will not.

 

[AstralKing7]

Yeah Goku definitely does not have the highest AP but that's not for this thread to discuss

 

[Zaratthustra]

Yeah Goku definitely does not have the highest AP but that's not for this thread to discuss

I know that it should not be disscused here, I was giving an example as I didn't continue further.

 

[Kappatalism]

No, Guy won because he has better skills/techniques/experience and he would go for the kill while All Might will not.

Standard battle assumptions state otherwise. Everyone failed to demonstrate that gai has better martial arts. Gai and All might are roughly the same age in prime. All might spent decades training himself since he could use his quirk at 100%. How is gai going to deal with typhoons emerging from each movment. Also, again, minutes of stamina vs weeks/months of stamina. It will be over when gai gasses out

 

[Kappatalism]

All Might isn't getting a speed buff when it canonically comes from him holding back the whole time.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Where do that weeks/months of stamina even come from?

Guy as a child (7 years old) showed better training than All Might.

 

[Kappatalism]

No, Guy won because he has better skills/techniques/experience and he would go for the kill while All Might will not.

Not a single fra was for that. All might fights villans daily. Gai does not. All might has considerably more practical experience than gai. Gai has fought maybe a couple 100 people indirectly. All might has fought tens of thousands directly.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Tens of thousands if (don't think so) who he always one shot as he's far faster and stronger than them. It's not like Guy fought in a war at 7 years where that experience and all his career as a Shinobi was to fight to the death if necessary. Not like Guy is so good at martial arts that he can fight just by looking at your feats (the way he created to fight Sharingan users).

 

[Kappatalism]

Tens of thousands if (don't think so) who he always one shot as he's far faster and stronger than them. It's not like Guy fought in a war at 7 years where that experience and all his career as a Shinobi was to fight to the death if necessary. Not like Guy is so good at martial arts that he can fight just by looking at your feats (the way he created to fight Sharingan users).

Yet it didn't work. It was laughable what he did. All might contends with a larger variety of hax than Gai has.

All Might: AP Stamina Hax Resistance

Gai: ?

Inc: Experience.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

@Kappa

All Might will start at 20% speed, sure. But that doesnt mean that is what gets equalized. Your argument is the same as saying Person A walks during most of his fights at 3 m/s so in a fight with Person B, that is what will be equalized despite his actual speed being Mach 1.

 

[Kappatalism]

@Kappa

All Might will start at 20% speed, sure. But that doesnt mean that is what gets equalized. Your argument is the same as saying Person A walks during most of his fights at 3 m/s so in a fight with Person B, that is what will be equalized despite his actual speed being Mach 1.

5 of the fra were for Gai's speed enhancments during a speed equal fight when gai starts in 7th gate. I didn't see you telling them they're being dishonest. I was merely using their logic.

 

[Kappatalism]

Where do that weeks/months of stamina even come from?

Guy as a child (7 years old) showed better training than All Might.

Even in episode 1 all might can use his hero form for 3 hours without issue. Before it was stated in the manga as never showing fatigue, even when fighting villains. All might, in vigilantes, saves 20ish people in the span of a minute all across japan and doesn't show fatigue. This is still weakened all might. His quirk is a battery, constantly charging him. Even in the movie he went over his limit by hours and was still fine. Gai has only minutes.

 

[AstralKing7]

Da hell?? U do realize the speed enhancement argument wasn't even based on the 7th gate but shunshin ƒÿæ

 

[Kappatalism]

If memory serves me correctly, his own evening tiger has serious recoil and chakra drainage. He used it on madara and it nearly dropped him.

 

[Kappatalism]

All might is able to create shockwaves ane spam them (in character) with greater force than the tiger

 

[AnonymousBlank]

I never bothered pointing it out because you had already done so. There is no point in just rehashing things.

Also using logic that you acknowledge as faulty is dumb. If a bunch of idiots agreed with each other that 2+2=5, would you just join in?

 

[Andytrenom]

All Might doesn't really spam Shockwaves, he is a lot mire likely to engage in close quarter combat

 

[Kappatalism]

All Might doesn't really spam Shockwaves, he is a lot mire likely to engage in close quarter combat

His close combat punches cause shockwaves. Also, read vigilantes and watch the movie. Both are cannon and show, in character, he spams shockwaves.

 

[Kappatalism]

I never bothered pointing it out because you had already done so. There is no point in just rehashing things.

Also using logic that you acknowledge as faulty is dumb. If a bunch of idiots agreed with each other that 2+2=5, would you just join in?

If that is what is required to constitue a win based on a set of rules, why not? You didn't object to count it as a win.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Its Rule 63 Guy

Autocorrect actually, but I like the way you think.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Gai can also do the immensly terrifying technique known as stealth if he really needs it. And he can easily sunshine close range without much of any problem.

The speed argument is just dumb. What is equalized is All Might's full speed. Again, by your logic Saitama would thousands of times faster than any enemy he faces in speed equal.

And AP isn't much of a factor. Gai slaps people that are stronger than Sauce is with his 600 Megatons with a random fireball. AP is not a factor that is decisive here unless you want to argue All Might to be High 7-A, which you'll do in a Crt and not here.


For skill, it's not an argument. Gai is a child's older where even the dumbest guy can make the whole fuma shuriken plan, he has been the most skilled martial artist in his class with maybe Kakashi being comparable, has fought a war where every opponent you face tries to outwit you and kill you for the smallest of mistakes, and then trained for a good two decades with Kakashi. All Might has nothing remotly comparable to that, with him having fought few guys actually comparable to him, and all the fights boiling down to willpowering his way through.

All in all, Guy sunshin's in close, or just manages to do it without because All Might holds back his speed, and then a few well-placed hits knock All Might out because that's getting punched in the face releases chemicals in the brain that knock you out and turn the frogs gay

 

[Andytrenom]

>Sauce

 

[Kappatalism]

Gai can also do the immensly terrifying technique known as stealth if he really needs it. And he can easily sunshine close range without much of any problem.

The speed argument is just dumb. What is equalized is All Might's full speed. Again, by your logic Saitama would thousands of times faster than any enemy he faces in speed equal.

And AP isn't much of a factor. Gai slaps people that are stronger than Sauce is with his 600 Megatons with a random fireball. AP is not a factor that is decisive here unless you want to argue All Might to be High 7-A, which you'll do in a Crt and not here.


For skill, it's not an argument. Gai is a child's older where even the dumbest guy can make the whole fuma shuriken plan, he has been the most skilled martial artist in his class with maybe Kakashi being comparable, has fought a war where every opponent you face tries to outwit you and kill you for the smallest of mistakes, and then trained for a good two decades with Kakashi. All Might has nothing remotly comparable to that, with him having fought few guys actually comparable to him, and all the fights boiling down to willpowering his way through.

All in all, Guy sunshin's in close, or just manages to do it without because All Might holds back his speed, and then a few well-placed hits knock All Might out because that's getting punched in the face releases chemicals in the brain that knock you out and turn the frogs gay

Stealth and Sunshine?

The former side argued it and it was accepted in this thread. I merely used their logic.

600<850. Try again.

Gai participated in two wars fighting hundreds of shinobi. All might has fought tens of thousands with more hax than ninja. All might spams shockwaves while Gai runs out of stamina. GG. All might has a win con. Gai doesnt.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

>Sauce

That was not accidental.

 

[Andytrenom]

Sauce is Sasuke right?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

He does know stealth, yes. He was a genin that needed to use it. And shunshin. Autocorrect, again.

Ah, can ya spell appeal to popularity... I don't care what dumb made up logic others use, it's still dumb.

First of all, 1.5 AP advantage means nothing. Secondly, Gai casually slaps someone that can easily overpower Sasuke, who can just casually sit out a 650 megaton fireball as a setup for the actual attack.

The number of enemies you fight means nothing. All Might could casually slap towards the thousands he fought and they'd be déd, and he got past the hax by blitzing or by All for One deciding that making a massive fistis a better way to win than actually haxing. Show me onetime All Might showed any skill close to what any Jounin is required to have, let alone Gai.

You also just ignored his sparring parter being Kakashi. Kakashi fought thousands himself, and they were haxed, and they were far more skilled than anyone in MHA has really shown.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Sauce is Sasuke right?

Yes. A nickname he got when it became known he's favourite meal is tomato sauce I think.

 

[Andytrenom]

Saucecake

 

[Moementum]

Damn, you guys just memed out of this. Sad.

 

[SecretSynergy]

Memeing out when he debunked everything? At least concede. HeHe'd respect you more that way, I'm sure.

 

[Kappatalism]

Why would I need the respect of someone memeing out. He mentioned pointed that were already debunked. He introduced stealth and sunshine which arent things he can do.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

>Stealth

Basic thing every ninja can do

>Shunshin

Not even needed

The stat difference isnt even x2 so Gai just outskills to a huge degree.