The SCP CRT: Two and a Half Years in the Making

[Hl3_or_bust]

How exactly do you know it's the same theory of forms as is known in real life? It could be a completely different ontological theory and we'd have no way to know because it's never explained.

Also what Ovens said, although I think he's exaggerating a little.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Since everyone else is getting cuckblocked, is Swann 1 level above Baseline 1-A, or do we not even know?

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Narrative guys aren't changing, and Swann is baseline 1-A afaik

 

[InfiniteDay]

Ok, so Wondertainment does lie. But this isn't some off hand comment. It's stated by Wondertainment twice, AND the foundation that this is either Theory of Forms, or something along the lines that 609 is "it possess the highest and most fundamental part of reality! All other objects which share its form are imperfect reflections of its ultimate truth!" as stated by Wondertainment. This is backed up by the Foundation saying that this is basically the representation of Plato's Theory of Forms.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Infinite, just repeating "it's the theory of forms!" over and over again doesn't mean a ******* thing

we have absolutely no idea what this theory of forms entails, so assuming that it's the exact same one as in real life is headcanon

 

[InfiniteDay]

I just stated that it was said that 609 "POSSESSES THE HIGHEST AND MOST FUNDAMENTAL KIND OF REALITY! All other objects which share its form are imperfect reflections of its ultimate truth!" That is Plato's Theory of Form described.

 

[Rikimarox2]

@HI3

I'm not sure if I'm misreading or smth, but aren't the true authors transcendental over 001 entities? And since 001 entities are baseline 1-A, shouldn't the true authors be like at least 1 level above baseline.

 

[InfiniteDay]

No, because summons can be the same tier as the summoner.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

If you look at other sci-fi verses with complex concepts like Plato, they go in-depth with their explanations. This is a sticker on the back of a toy box. This isn't the kind of explanation we would consider for tiering.

Saikou proposed that there would be a new tier for Swann based on an article where there was a greater Swann that controls the Foundation's Swann.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

So two sentences are now the exact same thing as an entire philosophical theory and allow us to 100% perfectly correlate the two. Infinite, you are just objectively wrong here. You can't change that by just saying the exact same ******* lines over and over and over again like some hidden meaning will slap me in the face if I read the exact same ******* line the 200th time.

@Riki

True authors are yeah, although where exactly they are is a little ambiguous and they could theoretically be above 3812, but there's no real evidence for that.

 

[Greatsage13th]

3812 already superceded them

 

[InfiniteDay]

This is the theory described. Which states ideas are the essences of all things, unchangeable and timeless, were physical objects are imitations. And can be used for knowledge. SCP 609 as, I will admit very lightly described, showcases all of these, such as being unable to be harmed, existing anywhere within a thought at any time, being described as having a "metaphysical" true self, and other objects in it's form being described as imitations. The only thing not showcased was the knowledge part, but it is not really needed.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Narrative guys aren't changing, and Swann is baseline 1-A afaik

Not baseline. They scale above Overvoid Lurk for one, and possibly Ben as well if he isn't one of them

 

[Rikimarox2]

Ah okay, so at the very, very least, 1 level above baseline, right? At least something got upgraded in this CRT.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

@InfiniteDay
Excuse me if I am slightly lost here, but what exactly are you trying to argue for? The noosphere and infosphere already yield platonic concepts under our system, and we don't use platonic concepts for tiering anymore, so I don't really see what you are trying to propose here

 

[InfiniteDay]

I think so.
(and to answer laptisus's question, I didn't know we stopped using platonic concepts for scaling, my mistake)

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Ah okay, so at the very, very least, 1 level above baseline, right? At least something got upgraded in this CRT.

I mean, that was already accepted I think, since the Overvoid Lurk does have a profile, but don't let me rain on your parade

 

[InfiniteDay]

Ok, now on too the High 1-B statement.

(this is from the 2018 crt)

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Have we not been over this? Nobody scales to that.

The SCP Narrative contains infinite dimensions, this was never contested. What is contested however, is anyone scaling to them.

 

[Cropfist]

Why does no one scale?

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Because the god tiers have absolutely no statements to scaling to those infinite dimensions.

All they have are creation feats for either the universe or the Tree, which contains the multiverse. But we have never seen a statement that proves that the infinite dimensions are contained within the Tree, therefore we can't assume that they scale.

Basically, there are infinite dimensions in SCP, and the Tree is within those dimensions, not the other way around.

 

[Overlord775]

Where would SCP-2634 and the dimensions implied by SCP-3930 fit in the cosmology ?

 

[Agnaa]

Not baseline. They scale above Overvoid Lurk for one, and possibly Ben as well if he isn't one of them

They don't, not in a way that matters. Overvoid Lurk exists on the same narrative as the normal Swann; Swann and Overvoid Lurk are at minimum baseline.

Ok, now on too the High 1-B statement.

That was used in the earlier part of this CRT (made many months ago) where it upgraded the narrative characters to 1-A. It isn't really relevant here.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Nobody scales to that.

So 1-B Nobody upgrade right

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Not baseline. They scale above Overvoid Lurk for one, and possibly Ben as well if he isn't one of them

They don't, not in a way that matters. Overvoid Lurk exists on the same narrative as the normal Swann; Swann and Overvoid Lurk are at minimum baseline.

Just to clarify, I didn't mean that the normal Swann are infinitely transcendent over the Overvoid Lurk when I said they scaled above it. You can be above baseline outerversal and not be a magnitude of infinity over them, just like any other tier.

 

[Agnaa]

Maybe it's more right to say that Overvoid Lurk is the tiniest bit below baseline then. Overvoid Lurk is just a HTML page (11-A or 10-C) while the Swann authors are humans (10-B).

I just think the way you've worded it is misleading, since most of the time with "above baseline outerversal" they'd be considered unreachable by baseline outerversal characters, which wouldn't happen here.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Maybe it's more right to say that Overvoid Lurk is the tiniest bit below baseline then. Overvoid Lurk is just a HTML page (11-A or 10-C) while the Swann authors are humans (10-B).

I just think the way you've worded it is misleading, since most of the time with "above baseline outerversal" they'd be considered unreachable by baseline outerversal characters, which wouldn't happen here.

Why would we start the baseline from the Swann and not OL? Seems really arbitrary to me. And yeah, Swanns are above OL as a normal human is above an HTML file

I guess. I never really got that implication from it

 

[Agnaa]

Why would we start from OL and not 0-D in their world? I think the sensible place to start would be 3-D in that realm, and if OL's below it, then it's below it.

That's how I've seen it used in threads. "X is above baseline outerversal and Y is baseline so it's a stomp"

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Why would we start from OL and not 0-D in their world? I think the sensible place to start would be 3-D in that realm, and if OL's below it, then it's below it.

That's how I've seen it used in threads. "X is above baseline outerversal and Y is baseline so it's a stomp"

Is OL is 3D, just as other digital creatures who can effect the files on a 3D person's computer directly are considered 10-C.

Well generally speaking you don't need to be a magnitude of infinity to stomp someone, but if the characters in question are already jumping magnitudes of infinity in power, then in that context the "[infinitely] above baaeline outerversal" is implied

 

[Agnaa]

If OL is 3D then Swann has no reason to be considered above baseline. You may as well say that some Swanns are above baseline because some of them are more athletic than others.

To stomp purely through AP/dura/existence which grants hax immunity, you do need to be.

 

[Overlord775]

Where would SCP-2634 and the dimensions implied by SCP-3930 fit in the cosmology ?

<.<

 

[Sir_Ovens]

2634 does not scale to the god tiers. It is a standalone SCP that scales above the Gods.

Same with 3930. Except that I don't even know where 3930 was stated to have any usable dimensions.

 

[Agnaa]

After discussing it with Iapitus on Discord, I'm okay with saying that Swann as a collective scales above Overvoid Lurk, although not to an infinite or 1-A layer extent.

(only 100 minutes instead of 120 minutes like last time, hoorah)

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

2634 does not scale to the god tiers. It is a standalone SCP that scales above the Gods.

Same with 3930. Except that I don't even know where 3930 was stated to have any usable dimensions.

3930 is actually mentioned specifically in the article that it lacks any form of higher dimensional construction on top of any other kind of extant description. Its not for tiering, just abilities/state of being

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Does anyone else want to bring up another (insert higher dimensional thing that does not scale to the gods)?

If not, then is this safe to apply?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

If not, then is this safe to apply?

No

I have nothing to add to this, personally.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Yeah, should be safe to add I think

 

[InfiniteDay]

Unless we got some [data redacted] levels of information access that will give us a better statement, then yes.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Actually, while we're at it, I'm pretty sure SCP-4444 no longer qualifies for High 3-A based on the changes made to our tiering system a while ago.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Alright, I'm done adjusting the pages.

If there are no further things left to discuss, I will close this and start Part 2.

Edit: @Dargoo_Faust That can be saved for Part 2