The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[Vasco]

I can't recall all of them, but I do remember this statement

This is 3-C or possibly 3-C as we don't know how it could exactly destroy a galaxy either planets to planets or solar system to solar system or a single one shot, either way it's 3-C.

Not a calc guy but the god tempest is either 3-C or 3-B..it's the size of a galaxy, it's thunder stretches to other galaxies and it shakes planets half across the universe away.

 

[Antvasima]

His profile of the scans Kulf brought none made a statement he destroyed galaxies.
The one he claims Silver Surfer had a battle with Uni-Lord, Uni-Lord wasn't even mentioned as the watcher called it a monstrous hellspawn ( giant hands going against Silver Surfer) unless he can bring prove that creature is Uni-Lord i am not convinced. That's not even the main point he claimed the battle both did destroyed galaxies but that's a lie and watcher wasn't even talking about their battle when he mentioned galaxies.
Watcher quote: After punching small peepholes in the fabric of space and time, holes revealing vistas and histories I have never seen before. As worlds and galaxies arose and fell, I kept watching, recording.. deforming.

I can't even picture how someone would make such a claim equating it to Silver surfer vs Uni-Lord destroying galaxies when watcher wasn't even referring to them, it's not even exaggeration either a lie to wank a certain character or it's taken out of context.

It clearly seems to refer to a passage of time of billions of years gradually eroding galaxies via entropy, yes.

Also on Silver surfer profile Uni-Lord is stated with a thought he can destroy galaxies, I fail to see how Silver Surfer scales to him except we have consist proof Silver Surfer is on par with such a being.
Either way I don't think there's any scan above claiming Silver Surfer himself destroyed galaxies but he has a solid 4-A or 3-C feat on profile about creating a black hole being able to encompass a large part of the Andromeda galaxy using his cosmic energy discharges.

Well, I vaguely recall that the Silver Surfer defeated and killed the Uni-Lord after a very hard battle, so if the Uni-Lord was reliably stated to be able to destroy galaxies elsewhere, that should scale.

This is 3-C or possibly 3-C as we don't know how it could exactly destroy a galaxy either planets to planets or solar system to solar system or a single one shot, either way it's 3-C.

Not a calc guy but the god tempest is either 3-C or 3-B..it's the size of a galaxy, it's thunder stretches to other galaxies and it shakes planets half across the universe away.

I am all for using the feat as supporting evidence for Thor being tier 3-C, but I am very uncertain about upgrading all tier 3-C characters to 3-B based on this feat alone.

 

[Vasco]

Well, I vaguely recall that the Silver Surfer defeated and killed the Uni-Lord after a very hard battle, so if the Uni-Lord was reliably stated to be able to destroy galaxies elsewhere, that should scale.

The character Silver Surfer defeated is the great one but yeah Uni-Lord has a 3-B statement.

I am all for using the feat as supporting evidence for Thor being tier 3-C, but I am very uncertain about upgrading all tier 3-C characters to 3-B based on this feat alone.

I also agree.

 

[Vasco]

You said the universe he sustains contains thousands of planets and stars, while Silver Surfer stated it contains only hundreds of worlds. Besides Silver Surfer also stated For with his passing, The construct universe began to disintegrate. Fortunately Moondragons skills were able to rescue the collected worlds.
Silver Surfer mentioned worlds twice even stated hundreds for one time, I can agree with 100 stars though since the construct universe has light.

A construct universe containing hundreds of worlds and possibly hundreds of stars would be 4-A right?

no it would be 4B

This is for the great one who Silver Surfer defeated.

 

[Antvasima]

Wait a moment, are you absolutely certain that the SIlver Surfer never fought and defeated the Uni-Lord?

Here is the only profile page that I could find for the character in question though:

Uni-Lord (Character) - Comic Vine

Silver Surfer foe. He was a powerful being worshipped by natives of the Blackbody dimension.

comicvine.gamespot.com

 

[Vasco]

I'm not certain but I haven't seen but still for Silver Surfer to scale to such a character it needs to be consistent not just a single battle.
From the comics vine link you just sent seems he only has 7 appearance.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, it was a long storyline between Silver Surfer issues 111 and 121, if I have understood correctly. Is somebody willing to investigate please?

 

[Vasco]

I can check it but it would take me 3 to 4 days since i'm busy with school and stuff, I hope i can check all before then. All I just need to do is check if Silver Surfer scales to him right?

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, you or somebody else here who is reasonably good at critical evaluation.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

I ask once more, why is Eternity 2-A? Shouldn't he be solid Low 1-C?

 

[Antvasima]

I do not recall from the top of my head. Can somebody else here investigate please?

 

[Eficiente]

I ask once more, why is Eternity 2-A? Shouldn't he be solid Low 1-C?

Looking into his profile.

, possibly Low Complex Multiverse level (After merging with Eternity and becoming “one-with-all,” Doctor Strange was stated to feel in many more dimensions than the usual four.

This isn't meaningful at all, he just feels them and their nature is unknown.

Created the Eternity-Mask, which allows the wearer to view space-time as a narrative.

It is a narrative and a story, but not in a Low 1-C way, but in the sense of this being events that happens. The scans even portrays them as a piece of that reality, "connected to it all". For it to be Low 1-C this story needs to be nothing next to Eternity, but Eternity is that story/narrative.

Should be comparable to Dormammu and superior to Nightmare)

He is.

The first 2 reasonings aren't good.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Oh so are you proposing downgrading Eternity to At least “High Skyfather” tier?

This isn't meaningful at all, he just feels them and their nature is unknown.

About this, this actually feels very solid to me at least
It explicitly states said dimensions around him are becoming more then “Width, Length, Height and Time"

The entire idea of “more then 4D" eternity is seemingly consistent with newer comics stating there to be 11D spacetimes

 

[Antvasima]

The entire idea of “more then 4D" eternity is seemingly consistent with newer comics stating there to be 11D spacetimes

Which comic book is that from?

 

[Deleted member 21887]

Which comic book is that from?

Mighty Avengers Vol 1 #27

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. What is the wider context regarding what is intended here?

Also, quantum physics and M Theory do not subscribe to increasing degrees of infinity for higher dimensions as far as I am aware.

 

[Eficiente]

Oh so are you proposing downgrading Eternity to At least “High Skyfather” tier?

No, Dormammu and Nightmare are "2-A, possibly Low 1-C".

About this, this actually feels very solid to me at least
It explicitly states said dimensions around him are becoming more then “Width, Length, Height and Time"

It doesn't say they're around him as in inside Eternity, he just feels those things, as in detect them and be aware of them away from him.

The entire idea of “more then 4D" eternity is seemingly consistent with newer comics stating there to be 11D spacetimes

On top of what Ant said, it says right there that those other dimensions are other spacetimes, and Eternity's first key it's just the space of his spacetime.

 

[Excellence616]

Bump

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

 

[Antvasima]

So what do we currently need to do here?

 

[Antvasima]

Good video by the way.

 

[Vasco]

So what do we currently need to do here?

I'm still reading the silver surfer and it seems Uni-Lord operates through avatars/manifestations since his the universe(stated like 5 or 6 times), his 3-A since his stated to be the universe(since he needs a corrupted watcher to tell him what he sees in the universe..i doubt he merged with all of the universe and the universe's time) but I haven't reached where both he and Silver surfer fights. It was shown he fought an avatar like in the future or possible future so Kulf_Boba wasn't wrong but still that's a manifestation. I might be done by today or tomorrow.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for helping out.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, cosmic cubes definitely haven't been established to have anywhere near a full multiversal scale of power in official canon sources, and the omniverse really just means the local Marvel multiverse whenever Marvel writers inaccurately use it to sound cool.

As for the Scarlet Witch, the Chaos Wave was legitimately shown to affect many other universes, but I personally think that we should only include higher degrees of infinity in such feats if the writers involved have explicitly clarified their involvement.

 

[Excellence616]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/marvel-comics-the-infinite-universe.144482/page-3#post-5255396

https://vsbattles.com/threads/marvel-comics-thor-shaking-the-realms-of-the-world-tree.142674/page-12

These thread haven't done been revised

 

[Antvasima]

These thread haven't done been revised

Yes, those are very important revisions, so I would greatly appreciate help from all knowledgeable members here with finishing them.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

 

[Antvasima]

What does the tweet say and who is it from? I have blocked my Twitter access for time management and mental health reasons.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

What does the tweet say and who is it from? I have blocked my Twitter access for time management and mental health reasons.

It's just cool fanart of Thor and his rogue gallery (their heads at least)

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the information.

 

[Antvasima]

Some really important and interesting events just happened in the "Defenders Beyond" miniseries.

Spoiler

I just read the final issue, and wow, Al Ewing really is a brilliantly inventive, imaginative, and profound author, who also does a lot of research and figures out how to fit disconnected things into a pattern, isn't he?

Also, I think that The Beyonder likely just forcibly un-retconned himself at the end after seeing reality more from an author perspective. Again, wow.

I also really want to see where Al Ewing goes with his upcoming story regarding "The Enigma" threat that is more powerful than even The One Above All, and likely something or somebody located in our real world.

 

[Vasco]

Some really important and interesting events just happened in the "Defenders Beyond" miniseries.

Do you mean these scans? 1 and 2?

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Also, I think that The Beyonder likely just forcibly un-retconned himself at the end after seeing reality more from an author perspective. Again, wow.

I also really want to see where Al Ewing goes with his upcoming story regarding "The Enigma" threat that is more powerful than even The One Above All, and likely something or somebody located in our real world.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

The Sentry runs the God of War gauntlet

 

[Excellence616]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/question-about-above-all-others-and-the-one-above-all.139801/#post-5260305

 

[Antvasima]

Do you mean these scans? 1 and 2?

Yes.

 

[Antvasima]

Speaking of "Defenders: Beyond", the following issues very likely need to be dealt with quite quickly. Is somebody here willing to handle it please?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Message_Wall:Antvasima?threadId=4400000000003472668

"The true identity of the Never Queen and origin of the Beyonders

The latest defenders comic in marvel reveals some revelations regarding not only the Beyonders, but also the true identity and origin of the Never Queen/Queen of Nevers. Which means that both pages should be updated with the new up to date information.

The Never Queen is not simply the paramour of eternity and the embodiment of possibilities like we were originally led to believe, she is in fact the personification of the Fourth Cosmos. Better known as "The Pilgrim", who was the only member of the Ultimate Ultimates that wasn't present during the final confrontation with the First Firmament. Since she is a former version of the Marvel Universe, she would have the same statistics and key as Eternity and the FF.

As for the Beyonders, they are shown to have be another one of the creations of the Celestials. After the birth of the First Iteration of the multiverse (Second Cosmos) an unobservable space outside the universe was formed after the break up of the FF. This space contained raw chaotic energies that the celestial didn't they could fully managed and might lead to the same set of events that destroyed the First Firmament. So they created a race of entities that could safely handle the infinite power of this space called the Omega's. The Omega's resided in the unobservable space until they were trapped in it after the end of the Second Cosmos and the birth of the Third. Over the eons that followed, they evolved into the beings we know today as The Beyonders and the space they resided in became known simply as "Beyond".

All these events and revelations are shown and properly explained in Defenders: Beyond. Both articles should contain the new information, though since both pages are currently locked i can't add the data."

 

[Antvasima]

Also, going by the final "Defenders: Beyond" comic book, it seems like The One Above All is not longer an author avatar, but rather "just" Marvel Comics' in-universe supreme being and driving creative force, given that it referred to the author of the comic book in question as separate from itself.

I strongly recommend that all knowledgeable Marvel Comics supporter in this forum read all 10 of Al Ewing's Defenders comic books, and try to rationally evaluate them as well as they are able, so we can reevaluate the information in our profile pages based on them.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Looks like marvel is going more meta nice dc is traditionally seen as the more metafictional with marvel barely exploring it beyond deadpool

 

[Antvasima]

Well, again, I would greatly appreciate if all members here who are knowledgeable about Marvel Comics read these two stories and help us reevaluate.

The Phoenix Force and the Tiger God also need new scaling based on this, as does the Post-Retcon Beyonder.