The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[Shadow_Somnius]

Nullifying Surtur’s flames that could destroy Yggdrasil, which is a 2-A structure.

I thought of a rebuttal to this.

The flame itself could be Universe busting, but because its spread over the entire tree it has the ability of consuming it, since the Tree, and by extension the Multiverse, are composed of Universes. If the flame has enough AP to bust a universe and enough range to cover the entire tree, then it can technically consume a multiverse by continually burning and destroying each realm within it, if that makes sense. No different to how a flame can burn a tree in real life if given enough time, despite not being "tree busting", all it needs is the minimum output to damage the tree and burn it for a period of time. I would say that flame has Universal AP, but multiversal range when spread over the entire tree, but I don't think it's multiverse busting, because busting usually means to destroy the multiverse in one go, something that flame didn't accomplish. So we know that flame would have needed a certain amount of time to consume Yggdrasil, since from the looks of it, the tree did not suffer any damage while it was covered in the said flame, yet, before Odin sealed it.

Also Odin physically scales to Galactus, who was going to destroy all universes during his clash with the Other and Scrier.

Could you tell me where in the scan, it states that?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

but I don't think it's multiverse busting, because busting usually means to destroy the multiverse in one go, something that flame didn't accomplish

Doing feats overtime stops applying once you reach High 3-A and the like. Infinity divided by anything is still infinity.

 

[Shadow_Somnius]

Doing feats overtime stops applying once you reach High 3-A and the like. Infinity divided by anything is still infinity.

I see. What about the flames being Universal in AP and Multiversal in Range?

 

[Vasco]

Same answer. Once you reach High 3-A and Tier 2 territory, doing feats overtime doesn't affect the tier.

Doing a Low 2-C feat overtime is still Low 2-C

Doing a 2-A feat overtime is still 2-A

I doubt this wiki accepts destruction of universes 1 by 1 can grant you 2-C or 2-B.

 

[Antvasima]

I doubt this wiki accepts destruction of universes 1 by 1 can grant you 2-C or 2-B.

That is correct, yes.

 

[LordTracer]

I thought of a rebuttal to this.

The flame itself could be Universe busting, but because its spread over the entire tree it has the ability of consuming it, since the Tree, and by extension the Multiverse, are composed of Universes. If the flame has enough AP to bust a universe and enough range to cover the entire tree, then it can technically consume a multiverse by continually burning and destroying each realm within it, if that makes sense. No different to how a flame can burn a tree in real life if given enough time, despite not being "tree busting", all it needs is the minimum output to damage the tree and burn it for a period of time. I would say that flame has Universal AP, but multiversal range when spread over the entire tree, but I don't think it's multiverse busting, because busting usually means to destroy the multiverse in one go, something that flame didn't accomplish. So we know that flame would have needed a certain amount of time to consume Yggdrasil, since from the looks of it, the tree did not suffer any damage while it was covered in the said flame, yet, before Odin sealed it.

Seems like a whole lot of mental gymnastics. Surtur was going to burn the tree, and it was portrayed as a very immediate threat. It’s a 2-A feat. Assuming that it’s destroying each universe one by one isn’t even remotely implied in the story and just seems like headcanon.

Could you tell me where in the scan, it states that?

Literally the first scan, Oblivion says; “If Scrier and The Other finally collide- well, then the Chaos War was merely a prelude. And the annihilation of all universes… is just a heartbeat away.”

 

[Antvasima]

Seems like a whole lot of mental gymnastics. Surtur was going to burn the tree, and it was portrayed as a very immediate threat. It’s a 2-A feat. Assuming that it’s destroying each universe one by one isn’t even remotely implied in the story and just seems like headcanon.

Yes. Agreed.

Literally the first scan, Oblivion says; “If Scrier and The Other finally collide- well, then the Chaos War was merely a prelude. And the annihilation of all universes… is just a heartbeat away.”

Also agreed.

 

[Shadow_Somnius]

Seems like a whole lot of mental gymnastics. Surtur was going to burn the tree, and it was portrayed as a very immediate threat. It’s a 2-A feat. Assuming that it’s destroying each universe one by one isn’t even remotely implied in the story and just seems like headcanon.

That seems reasonable but still something that can be argued against as what I insinuated is not eliminated as a possibility. But I need to know.. What does it mean to have multiversal AP? Is it an attack that can destroy a universe that can be applied to multiple universes simultaneously?

Literally the first scan, Oblivion says; “If Scrier and The Other finally collide- well, then the Chaos War was merely a prelude. And the annihilation of all universes… is just a heartbeat away.”

Where is Galactus in this equation? Where is it implied that their battle would destroy multiple universes?

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Where is Galactus in this equation? Where is it implied that their battle would destroy multiple universes?

Galactus fights the Scrier and the Other at the same time, and once Galactus jumps in, it's stated the fight would collapse everything into nothing and destroy all things, further backing up the statement earlier in the issue.

 

[Shadow_Somnius]

Galactus fights the Scrier and the Other at the same time, and once Galactus jumps in, it's stated the fight would collapse everything into nothing and destroy all things, further backing up the statement earlier in the issue.

Ok.. That's fair.. I concede for the moment.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for being reasonable.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Question who pays damage control to fix all the collateral damage caused by the heroes and villains

After all, the company must need to get money in some way. Fixing the damage is free but there’s no such thing as a free lunch, the money must come from somewhere to make it free

anyone answer my question

 

[Antvasima]

There is a company that is actually called Damage Control that specialises in cleaning up after superhero and supervillain fights. I think that they are paid for by a mixture of international government money and futuristically empowered charities headed by Reed Richards and Tony Stark. Of course, most cleanup work is just plot convention.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

There is a company that is actually called Damage Control that specialises in cleaning up after superhero and supervillain fights. I think that they are paid for by a mixture of international government money and futuristically empowered charities headed by Reed Richards and Tony Stark. Of course, most cleanup work is just plot convention.

thanks ant, it’s just I know it’s comics and fiction but people at least should think a little more about how they do this and do that.

some explanation is better than no explanation

 

[Antvasima]

No problem.

 

[Shadow_Somnius]

Does Thor defeating Zelia with Godblast imply he is stronger than Odin?

Also, what exactly does it mean when it is stated that Atlas adjusted the weight of the heavens?

Spoiler

 

[LordTracer]

Does Thor defeating Zelia with Godblast imply he is stronger than Odin?

It means the Godblast specifically, not Thor himself is more powerful than Odin.

 

[Shadow_Somnius]

It means the Godblast specifically, not Thor himself is more powerful than Odin.

Then why does Thor allow himself to get beat up by Odin?

 

[Vasco]

Also, what exactly does it mean when it is stated that Atlas adjusted the weight of the heavens?

I don't rate guidebooks at all.

 

[LordTracer]

Then why does Thor allow himself to get beat up by Odin?

In what context…?

 

[Shadow_Somnius]

In what context…?

Man of war and Fear itself. Sorry don't have the scans now.

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Well, it's important to remember two things. The first of which is that Thor obviously doesn't want to mortally wound his father, even if he chooses to fight back, and the second is that the Godblast takes all of Thor's energies, so if he misses, he'll basically be guaranteed to lose, which is why it's generally a last resort.

Also Tbh any fight between Thor and Odin being competitive in the first place is kinda dumb cuz Odin can literally take away Mjolnir and even Thor's abilities iirc, but w/e.

 

[Shadow_Somnius]

Well, it's important to remember two things. The first of which is that Thor obviously doesn't want to mortally wound his father, even if he chooses to fight back, and the second is that the Godblast takes all of Thor's energies, so if he misses, he'll basically be guaranteed to lose, which is why it's generally a last resort.

Also Tbh any fight between Thor and Odin being competitive in the first place is kinda dumb cuz Odin can literally take away Mjolnir and even Thor's abilities iirc, but w/e.

So, he's generally universal to Low Multiversal with only Godblast being 2A?

What do you think about the Atlas one?

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

So, he's generally universal to Low Multiversal with only Godblast being 2A?

Well, generally he operates at far lower levels due to holding back and all of that, but yeah at his peak he only reaches 2-A with the Godblast.

What do you think about the Atlas one?

I think it's just referring to when Hercules tricked Atlas into picking it back up.

 

[Excellence616]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/quick-question-about-the-one-above-all.144946/

 

[Antvasima]

I will check.

 

[Dark-Carioca]

@Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @Dark-Carioca @Armorchompy

Are any of you willing to evaluate this please?

Both KLOL and I have evaluated them

 

[Antvasima]

Two new Tier 3 calcs by Kulf_Boba

Marvel Comics - Thor shakes the stars

vsbattles.fandom.com

Marvel Comics - God Tempest Kinetic Energy

vsbattles.fandom.com

@Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @Dark-Carioca @Armorchompy

Are any of you willing to evaluate this please?

Both KLOL and I have evaluated them

Thank you very much for helping out to both of you.

@Kulf_Boba @MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer

The above calculations can probably be used then.

 

[Shadow_Somnius]

Ok. So reading Thor's profile, I found out he has the habit to hold back. Does this also apply to his durability ie. his possible Universal to Multiversal durability falling to island or planet level at times?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Ok. So reading Thor's profile, I found out he has the habit to hold back. Does this also apply to his durability ie. his possible Universal to Multiversal durability falling to island or planet level at times?

I guess. It depends on how much he holds back because of the kinds of enemies and context and stuff, so there isn't a specific tier for "holding back" Thor

 

[Vasco]

Two new Tier 3 calcs by Kulf_Boba

Marvel Comics - Thor shakes the stars

vsbattles.fandom.com

Marvel Comics - God Tempest Kinetic Energy

vsbattles.fandom.com

The first scan said shakes the stars, Why do we assume the shaking is the other end of the universe? It never stated such or state shakes the stars of the galaxy, just shakes the stars.
The calc might be correct but you guys exaggerated that scan.
The second seems fine.

 

[Deleted member 21887]

Oblivion is The Outside?

 

[Shadow_Somnius]

I guess. It depends on how much he holds back because of the kinds of enemies and context and stuff, so there isn't a specific tier for "holding back" Thor

I understand that but I am more so asking the reasons as to why Multiversal durability Thor would fall to street level while holding back. You can generally hold back strength and stop going all but you shouldn't be able to affect your durability.

 

[KLOL506]

I understand that but I am more so asking the reasons as to why Multiversal durability Thor would fall to street level while holding back. You can generally hold back strength and stop going all but you shouldn't be able to affect your durability.

I have argued this topic many times myself. If you hold back on your strength you cannot hold back on your durability by default, just because your legs got cut off doesn't mean your torso suddenly drops in durability as well, unless you want to say Thor just straight up dies to sewage wires or gets shanked by arrows from the back. Terrible downplay exists literally everywhere to speak of but it narratively and contextually violates the purpose of the character plus the feats are 99% of the time taken out of context and then almost immediately contradicted by insanely higher showings.

 

[Vasco]

The first scan said shakes the stars, Why do we assume the shaking is the other end of the universe? It never stated such or state shakes the stars of the galaxy, just shakes the stars.
The calc might be correct but you guys exaggerated that scan.
The second seems fine.

No one's gonna reply me?

 

[KLOL506]

The first scan said shakes the stars, Why do we assume the shaking is the other end of the universe? It never stated such or state shakes the stars of the galaxy, just shakes the stars.
The calc might be correct but you guys exaggerated that scan.
The second seems fine.

You might wanna check the "destroy the God Bomb that threatened the lives of all the gods of the universe" part more clearly bud. The universe assumption wouldn't be made without something of this magnitude.

 

[Vasco]

You might wanna check the "destroy the God Bomb that threatened the lives of all the gods of the universe" part more clearly bud. The universe assumption wouldn't be made without something of this magnitude.

Everyone knows that already, it's stated The roaring of the mjornirs shook the stars.
Besides it isn't the god bomb that brought 3-C, it's the shaking of stars and the calc went with a huge assumption saying it's referring to shaking the stars in the universe when it could just be stars in galaxy or section of the galaxy.
Yeah we would have to have staffs look at it again. @Antvasima @Eficiente @Firestorm

 

[KLOL506]

Everyone knows that already, it's stated The roaring of the mjornirs shook the stars.
Besides it isn't the god bomb that brought 3-C, it's the shaking of stars and the calc went with a huge assumption saying it's referring to shaking the stars in the universe when it could just be stars in galaxy or section of the galaxy.
Yeah we would have to have staffs look at it again. @Antvasima @Eficiente @Firestorm

@Kulf_Boba Since you calculated the feat, would you be willing to explain the feat in a bit more detail?

 

[KLOL506]

Everyone knows that already, it's stated The roaring of the mjornirs shook the stars.
Besides it isn't the god bomb that brought 3-C, it's the shaking of stars and the calc went with a huge assumption saying it's referring to shaking the stars in the universe when it could just be stars in galaxy or section of the galaxy.
Yeah we would have to have staffs look at it again. @Antvasima @Eficiente @Firestorm

Only staff can tag other staff.

 

[Kulf_Boba]

@Kulf_Boba Since you calculated the feat, would you be willing to explain the feat in a bit more detail?

I already explained it a bit with the feats and claims I mentioned, if a casual attack by the Mighty Thor using the mother storm was able to shake planets half a universe away and Thor's attack can be heard from places outside the universe, to assume that on this occasion when he was fighting at his best he made all the stars in the universe shake doesn't seem far-fetched.

Plus there are other statements from characters of his level mentioning that they can shake the universe.