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Based on the images that are shown regarding the "Enigma", and the various Kabbalah symbolism used in regards to The One-Above-All and the House of Ideas, my belief is that the Enigma is a representation of the AIn Sof Ohr.Some really important and interesting events just happened in the "Defenders Beyond" miniseries.
I still don't get how he unretonned himself, He just gave a speech about him being different from the other beyonders and set out to do his thing and seems very highly motivated.Yes.
This is true but let's see further in other books cause all my friends are in disagreement as it didn't seem he unretonned himself, Anyways I'd read all this books when i've got time.Well, I think that he was seeing the setting from an author perspective while he was away in The House of Ideas, and then realised that he had been systematically changed and belittled and mentally mutilated for decades by the powers that be, which culminated in him tearing apart the narrative that was forming around him and break free to try to be himself again, after he reacted to Loki's similar situation, but opposite decision.
He simply doesnt want to be restricted and just tore out the pages.Well, I think that he was seeing the setting from an author perspective while he was away in The House of Ideas, and then realised that he had been systematically changed and belittled and mentally mutilated for decades by the powers that be, which culminated in him tearing apart the narrative that was forming around him and break free to try to be himself again, after he reacted to Loki's similar situation, but opposite decision.
Am not sure ewing is planning on going that deep.Based on the images that are shown regarding the "Enigma", and the various Kabbalah symbolism used in regards to The One-Above-All and the House of Ideas, my belief is that the Enigma is a representation of the AIn Sof Ohr.
Since the House of Ideas and One Above All are both represented as Keter/Kether in Kabbalah, then the only thing that could be higher up the chain would be the Ain Sof Ohr. Since its both physically and metaphysically unreachable, it would make a sort of sense to be the only possible force that could be beyond the Mystery and TOAA. It will be interesting to see the developments regarding this revelation
Yeah this is very true..
Also Loki's attempt to gain true freedom from the Grand Design set in place by the TOAA seems to been borrowed heavily from DC/Vertigo Comics Lucifer, who tried doing the exact same thing when he left reality and entered the Overvoid to free himself from the Presence's multiverse. I guess Al Elwing is a fan of Lucifer.
Speaking of "Defenders: Beyond", the following issues very likely need to be dealt with quite quickly. Is somebody here willing to handle it please?
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Message_Wall:Antvasima?threadId=4400000000003472668
"The true identity of the Never Queen and origin of the Beyonders
The latest defenders comic in marvel reveals some revelations regarding not only the Beyonders, but also the true identity and origin of the Never Queen/Queen of Nevers. Which means that both pages should be updated with the new up to date information.
The Never Queen is not simply the paramour of eternity and the embodiment of possibilities like we were originally led to believe, she is in fact the personification of the Fourth Cosmos. Better known as "The Pilgrim", who was the only member of the Ultimate Ultimates that wasn't present during the final confrontation with the First Firmament. Since she is a former version of the Marvel Universe, she would have the same statistics and key as Eternity and the FF.
As for the Beyonders, they are shown to have be another one of the creations of the Celestials. After the birth of the First Iteration of the multiverse (Second Cosmos) an unobservable space outside the universe was formed after the break up of the FF. This space contained raw chaotic energies that the celestial didn't they could fully managed and might lead to the same set of events that destroyed the First Firmament. So they created a race of entities that could safely handle the infinite power of this space called the Omega's. The Omega's resided in the unobservable space until they were trapped in it after the end of the Second Cosmos and the birth of the Third. Over the eons that followed, they evolved into the beings we know today as The Beyonders and the space they resided in became known simply as "Beyond".
All these events and revelations are shown and properly explained in Defenders: Beyond. Both articles should contain the new information, though since both pages are currently locked i can't add the data."
Anyway, we really need to fix this.Also, going by the final "Defenders: Beyond" comic book, it seems like The One Above All is not longer an author avatar, but rather "just" Marvel Comics' in-universe supreme being and driving creative force, given that it referred to the author of the comic book in question as separate from itself.
I strongly recommend that all knowledgeable Marvel Comics supporter in this forum read all 10 of Al Ewing's Defenders comic books, and try to rationally evaluate them as well as they are able, so we can reevaluate the information in our profile pages based on them.
Will this new beyonder be seen as a new key or will he be merged with pre-retcon beyonder profile?Well, the current version is at least equal to other members of The Beyonders, so I think so, yes.
Cause of he realising himself and all that right? But has he Shown feat or being powerful to that level of other beyonders despite him realising himself?Well, the current version is at least equal to other members of The Beyonders, so I think so, yes.
No reason to merge them.Will this new beyonder be seen as a new key or will he be merged with pre-retcon beyonder profile?
Not until this is proven to us.Does one above all now scale above the house of ideas?
Yes, Marvel Abstracts are usually rated 2-A or higher and Uatu, as well as a well-fed Galactus, Odin, Zeus, and the Celestials are 2-A.I need to ask, why is the Stranger 2-C when his justifications are basic 2-A/Low 1-C scaling?
The Stranger
The Stranger is a powerful cosmic entity who has claimed to have several different origins over the years, although The Living Tribunal once strongly suggested that The Stranger was originally an aspect of itself that somehow gained independence. Tier: High 1-B Name: The Stranger Origin: Marvel...vsbattles.fandom.com
I think that happened after he became the Lifebringer. So I don't believe its an outlier but rather something he hadn't demonstrated until now.One question: is galactus being stated he transends dimensions considered an outlier? Or just too vague?
Dude also gets beaten by 3-D beings, so idk.
Shouldn't he then have different key for that? He also never demonstrated anything on that level as far as am aware.I think that happened after he became the Lifebringer. So I don't believe its an outlier but rather something he hadn't demonstrated until now.
It's vague from what i've seen.One question: is galactus being stated he transends dimensions considered an outlier? Or just too vague?
Dude also gets beaten by 3-D beings, so idk.
Adam proved it if we consider his statement valuable. He said the house is just the starting to what toaa represents.Not until this is proven to us.
His statistics should probably be updated to match those of a Watcher.I need to ask, why is the Stranger 2-C when his justifications are basic 2-A/Low 1-C scaling?
The Stranger
The Stranger is a powerful cosmic entity who has claimed to have several different origins over the years, although The Living Tribunal once strongly suggested that The Stranger was originally an aspect of itself that somehow gained independence. Tier: High 1-B Name: The Stranger Origin: Marvel...vsbattles.fandom.com
Can somebody find and show the scan in question please? If it was from "Spider-Man and the Secret Wars", that is not a part of continuity. Also, "transcending dimensions" usually simply means being beyond some local space-time continuum, not being infinite degrees into infinity or more.I think that happened after he became the Lifebringer. So I don't believe its an outlier but rather something he hadn't demonstrated until now.
As he had no valid reason to do so (since he exists in the physical universe to consume planets). So transcending dimensions wasn't something that was required of him except in circumstances where he had to converse with the other Abstracts.
Can you cite the exactly worded quote please?Adam proved it if we consider his statement valuable. He said the house is just the starting to what toaa represents.