The Real World Discussion Thread

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Real World Page Entry Addition And Arrangement Modification Discussion Thread (ie/tldr Real World Discussion Thread)

Watching The essential purpose for the thread's dealt with though (as in the points and proposals I sent have been answered), pretty sure the best course now is to just close this thread and redirect to Cracker's more general-purpose thread on the Real World.

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Also just a reminder that shields (and potentially armours) could be included as well as the page being possibly renovated, best to keep an eye out for further updates.

still hoping this comes true

 

[Flashlight237]

Now bats are trying their hand in the intelligence game: https://phys.org/news/2024-07-wild-high-cognitive-abilities-previously.html

 

[Dalesean027]

@H3110l12345I20
tree calcs ya did are accepted now btw

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Can we give this Danmaku?

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Can we give this Danmaku?

as in this?

Danmaku

Danmaku (弾幕, literally bullet curtain or curtain fire) is a Japanese term for "barrage" or "bullet curtain" in English. The ability to produce a great amount of projectiles at once, in order to overwhelm the target by the sheer number of shots. Some users also add complex patterns to make...

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We could, but we should specify that this would refer to ICBMs and/or other nuclear weapons with MIRV or other cluster bombing capabilities.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Yes.
OK.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

@H3110l12345I20
tree calcs ya did are accepted now btw

Thx for evaluating my calcs! I'll give you a shout out in my composite tree tournament!

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Scan request (IRL Animals Calcs)​

Rules​

• Make sure they follow these regulations for credible IRL source.
• Only calcs with enough information for a doable calc may be done on it.
• Not all sections have to be filled or calced if a specific piece of information needed for the calc to be done can't be found.
  • Note that all the calcs here are primarily for AP.
• Making the calcs for me is optional, but help is appeciated.
• Average sizes for these animals only unless specified

Spoiler: List

Please have scans and information for...

• Blue Whale strikes
• Giant Squid strikes or suction pressure converted into N, then calced into J
• Red Jamaican Crab hand force/pinch energy
• Domestic Cat swipe force
• Ape Strikes Energy
  • Capuchins, Chimps, Orangutans and Gorillas included and needed
• Big Cat Jump force (Leopard, Lion, Tiger)
• Big cat swipes (Leopard, Lion, Tiger)
• Ostrich+Cassowary Kick
• Lynx+Cheetah paw energy
• Kangaroo kick energy
• Domestic Dog bite energy
  • Husky, Bulldog, and Labrador bites.
• Gravitational potential energy for these animals
  • Extant
    • Elephant
    • Horse (Ones that exceed type 0 Large Size)
    • White Rhinoceros
    • Saltwater Crocodile (Ones that exceed type 0 Large Size)
    • Hippopotamus (Ones that exceed type 0 Large Size)
  • Extinct
    • Allosaurus
    • Apatosaurus
    • Brachiosaurus
    • Dilophosaurus
    • Spinosaurus
    • Stegosaurus
    • Triceratops
    • Tyrannosaurus Rex (Real World)

bump; will bump this reply every 3 days minimum to not overshadow everything else too much.

 

[Flashlight237]

bump; will bump this reply every 3 days minimum to not overshadow everything else too much.

I don't think my calc on horse kicks was evaluated with approval yet, so maybe add that to the list.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

I don't think my calc on horse kicks was evaluated with approval yet, so maybe add that to the list.

The reply is supposed to be a request for sources. Though I don't mind adding calcs essential for scaling IRL animals.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Other​

Spoiler: Essential Calcs for scaling

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Added.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Scan request (IRL Animals Calcs)​

Rules​

• Make sure they follow these regulations for credible IRL source.
• Only calcs with enough information for a doable calc may be done on it.
• Not all sections have to be filled or calced if a specific piece of information needed for the calc to be done can't be found.
  • Note that all the calcs here are primarily for AP.
• Making the calcs for me is optional, but help is appeciated.
• Average sizes for these animals only unless specified

Spoiler: List
Click to expand...

bump

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Scan request (IRL Animals Calcs)​

Rules​

• Make sure they follow these regulations for credible IRL source.
• Only calcs with enough information for a doable calc may be done on it.
• Not all sections have to be filled or calced if a specific piece of information needed for the calc to be done can't be found.
  • Note that all the calcs here are primarily for AP.
• Making the calcs for me is optional, but help is appeciated.
• Average sizes for these animals only unless specified

Spoiler: List
Click to expand...

bump

 

[Dalesean027]

bump

remind me of this on like Friday or so, I'll evaluate the it then

 

[H3110l12345I20]

remind me of this on like Friday or so, I'll evaluate the it then

K. Will remind you to evaluate the horse calc. Though you don't need to get scans for the scan request.

 

[Flashlight237]

remind me of this on like Friday or so, I'll evaluate the it then

Yo, it's Friday.

 

[Dalesean027]

Yo, it's Friday.

Thanks, I needed that

 

[Dalesean027]

Its good to go. I DD fall asleep so sorry for the late reply

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Scan request (IRL Animals Calcs)​

Rules​

• Make sure they follow these regulations for credible IRL source.
• Only calcs with enough information for a doable calc may be done on it.
• Not all sections have to be filled or calced if a specific piece of information needed for the calc to be done can't be found.
  • Note that all the calcs here are primarily for AP.
• Making the calcs for me is optional, but help is appeciated.
• Average sizes for these animals only unless specified

Spoiler: List

Please have scans and information for...

• Blue Whale strikes
• Giant Squid strikes or suction pressure converted into N, then calced into J
• Red Jamaican Crab hand force/pinch energy
• Domestic Cat swipe force
• Ape Strikes Energy
  • Capuchins, Chimps, Orangutans and Gorillas included and needed
• Big Cat Jump force (Leopard, Lion, Tiger)
• Big cat swipes (Leopard, Lion, Tiger)
• Ostrich+Cassowary Kick
• Lynx+Cheetah paw energy
• Kangaroo kick energy
• Domestic Dog bite energy
  • Husky, Bulldog, and Labrador bites.
• Gravitational potential energy for these animals
  • Extant
    • Elephant
    • Horse (Ones that exceed type 0 Large Size)
    • White Rhinoceros
    • Saltwater Crocodile (Ones that exceed type 0 Large Size)
    • Hippopotamus (Ones that exceed type 0 Large Size)
  • Extinct
    • Allosaurus
    • Apatosaurus
    • Brachiosaurus
    • Dilophosaurus
    • Spinosaurus
    • Stegosaurus
    • Triceratops
    • Tyrannosaurus Rex (Real World)

bump; removed the calc since it's been evaluated.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Everyone, I've been trying to codify our standards for scaling IRL animals, since a lot of the examples set in my CRT deserve to be on a page listing them What does everyone think of my blog here, and what else should be added there (especially the types of tissue that should be taken into account).
vvv

H3110l12345I20/Standards for Scaling Real Life Animals

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[The_King_of_Prudence]

If the attack comes from an animal or object that has a significant advantage in raw power compared to a smaller animal, upgrading durability can’t be done for the animal that has weaker raw power. It’s inaccurate to the animal’s strikes mathematically, and potentially inconsistent to the actual force dispersed into the weaker animal.

Why can't real-world animals be stone walls?

• Despite the Alligator Snapping Turtle having human level bite energy, its size and wieght would decrease its overall true strength.

Is that not already factored in?

• The Turtle normally wouldn't be able to overpower animals like chimpanzees and capybaras due to the larger amount of muscular strength the animals have demonstrated to have.

Skillstomps and attacks above a character's weight class are common in fiction.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Why can't real-world animals be stone walls?

Our tiering system is too oversimplified. But if it's a turtle, then they "Stone wall" in that area. I'll add that.

Is that not already factored in?

Yes. No problem here.

Skillstomps and attacks above a character's weight class are common in fiction.

They're common in real life too. Look at us against tigers/bears.

 

[Shadowslash125]

What's the exact AP value of a smilodon? I mean the number, not the tier it is in.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

1000 Newtons.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

What's the exact AP value of a smilodon? I mean the number, not the tier it is in.

Currently, it's 15 KJ+ on it's profile. With a CRT+my calc evaluated here, low-end weight ones could compare to mid-sized tigers at 12.66 KJ while high-end ones are comparable to casual 9-B ones at 22.5 KJ.

 

[Shadowslash125]

1000 Newtons.

I'm curious. How much will it be in our standard measurement of joules and tons instead of newtons?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

I'm curious. How much will it be in our standard measurement of joules and tons instead of newtons?

You would need to calc the displacement [distance the force will move] of the bite. You just have to find how large the cat's max gape is, and how far it will travel.

 

[Shadowslash125]

What do you mean by how far it will travel when it's biting?
(Sorry, I'm still relatively new to stuff like this, not to mention I've never done a calc before).

 

[H3110l12345I20]

distance the force will move

So if "X Newtons" is from the front teeth, you'll calc the starting position of the teeth at the cat's widest gape. And the distance between that and the ending position of that same teeth when the jaw closes.

Same thing if "X Newtons" is from the back teeth. It depends where the newtons of the cat is called at. (if it's at the front, calc the distance the force of the front teeth's bite at the front. Same thing with back teeth, but with the back teeth's force's distance traveled)

Here's an example of how to do a bite calc. You'll need the chord length to get the arc length of the animal. (in other words, get the chord length to get the precise distance the force of the bite moved.

Fundamentally, it's basically a bunch of complicated steps of N times m = J; the N is the newtons and the m is the meters, and the J is self-explanatory (you should know the letter for joules).

 

[Flashlight237]

Shit, guys. There's a study disputing the size of Perucetus Colossus.: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10909350

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Shit, guys. There's a study disputing the size of Perucetus Colossus.: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10909350

Damn
Then again sauropods already are established to be longer than the blue whale, size in terms of mass though... not there yet.
But I do know one other creature that can rival or exceed the blue whale AND possibly Perucetus.

I present to you:

Ichthyotitan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It is related to these:

Shastasaurus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Shonisaurus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But as for Ichthyotitan, it was even larger than these two:

"While its incompleteness made the size of the animal difficult to determine, it was clearly very large. By comparing the Lilstock surangular to the same bone in Shastasaurus sikanniensis as a model, the researchers estimated the Lilstock ichthyosaur to have been around 26 metres (85 ft) long or 25% larger by direct scaling, nearly the size of a blue whale. Scaling based on the height at the coronoid process compared to Besanosaurus found a shorter length estimate of 22 metres (72 ft). Researchers pointed out that, while differences in proportions between species make these estimates speculative, they were conventional given the scarcity of material.

The 2024 study describing Ichthyotitan pointed out inaccuracies in the Besanosaurus scaling, due to a misidentification of the coronoid process with the nearby MAME (muscle adductor mandibulae externus) process. Comparing the position of the MAME process in the BAS specimen to that in Besanosaurus, they provided a revised length estimate of 25 metres (82 ft), likely making it the largest marine reptile ever described.

The Aust specimens, tentatively linked to Ichthyotitan, have been informally estimated to be even larger at 30 to 35 metres (98 to 115 ft) long."

Also this for flying animals if anyone is interested.

More info here:

Largest and heaviest animals - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_prehistoric_animals

Largest organisms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_magnitude#See_also (this will help give a comparison between real world earthly and cosmic stuff)

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Question, how will the discovery of Dark oxygen affect this?

To summarize as simply as I can.
Metals in complete darkness on the bottom of the sea, produce an electric current, close to an AA battery. Due to this, it can actually split water and produce oxygen...

Do I even need to say more?

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Question, how will the discovery of Dark oxygen affect this?

To summarize as simply as I can.
Metals in complete darkness on the bottom of the sea, produce an electric current, close to an AA battery. Due to this, it can actually split water and produce oxygen...

Do I even need to say more?

This makes me think of Cherenkov radiation + electrolysis (specifically water in this case for the one I linked).

 

[H3110l12345I20]

This makes me think of Cherenkov radiation + electrolysis (specifically water in this case for the one I linked).

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Question, how will the discovery of Dark oxygen affect this?

To summarize as simply as I can.
Metals in complete darkness on the bottom of the sea, produce an electric current, close to an AA battery. Due to this, it can actually split water and produce oxygen...

Do I even need to say more?

Sorry, I think the forum butchered my last reply, but what do you mean by "this"?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Also, what does everyone think of my profile for the almighty Jumbo Squid compared to profiles like the colossal squid? The profile is 11K+ bytes long.

Also the California Market Squid profile too. it's 6K+ bytes long

 

[Hortonhearsahoot]

The cuttlefish is known for "hypnotizing" prey. Pretty much, it changes colors rapidly, forming a rapid pattern of black and white. Its less intelligent victims (crabs, fish, etc.) are captivated/confused by the display and stay to watch. the Broadclub Cuttlefish's vsbw page considers this Mind Manipulation, but it's less of a supernatural power and more of a mind trick, so to me it should be Social influencing. I'm making a CRT involving this, so what would you consider it?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

The cuttlefish is known for "hypnotizing" prey. Pretty much, it changes colors rapidly, forming a rapid pattern of black and white. Its less intelligent victims (crabs, fish, etc.) are captivated/confused by the display and stay to watch. the Broadclub Cuttlefish's vsbw page considers this Mind Manipulation, but it's less of a supernatural power and more of a mind trick, so to me it should be Social influencing. I'm making a CRT involving this, so what would you consider it?

Yes.

You could use mine or make another.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Yo guys, I'm trying a little click bait here. Is this match title good for gathering attention?

Waltuh fights a Savage Squidward (Walter White vs Humboldt Squid)

Conditions: SBA Battle takes place in the bikini bottom in a replica of Squidward's house during the day Walt will have 10 mins of prep with prior knowledge of the squid. But this match will restrict anything above 10-A physically+Walt's Smith & Wesson Model 442 is in his left hand only. Both...

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[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Blue whale is the strongest animal alive today but what is the strongest animal of all time?