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Guys, what does everyone think of my profile on scissors? It's one of my first item profiles on-site.
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The Real World Discussion Thread
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Yeah, but I’m talking about the 5 senses we usually think of when saying “regular senses.” I meant to prove the same thing: this ability qualifies for extra senses (Enhanced Senses), even though it’s not smell, sight, touch, taste, or hearing. Also, the profile looks gud
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Makes me wish we still had the paper profile
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Need to double check if Extra Senses are considered an ability in VSBW (akin to, say, Spider-Man's Spider-Sense or Izuku's Danger Sense, the latter of which is inspired by the former, and both of which are inspired by the detection of vibrations in air and on spider webs by setae on spider legs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider_anatomy#Appendages), of which some spiders also have setae that can be used as weapons to inflict urticaria/hives and irritation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urticating_hair), which could be included in any spider pages regarding the vibration sensing and New World tarantulas and caterpillars and nettle plants in the Real World if not already included)
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^ Sorry, did not include the reply on the previous message of mine, refer to my direct prior message in this thread regarding the reply to your message. ^
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No problem 
Extra Senses is an type of ability in the Enhanced Senses page
Said page reads:
"Extra Senses: Some characters have completely new senses not possessed by humans, an example of this in real life is the ability of some animal species to sense magnetic fields. Other extra senses can include the ability to sense things in different dimensions, distortions in time and space, the thoughts of other beings, the future, the past, quantum activity, magical energies, forms of life energy like ki, computer data, etc.
Extra Senses is an type of ability in the Enhanced Senses page
Said page reads:
"Extra Senses: Some characters have completely new senses not possessed by humans, an example of this in real life is the ability of some animal species to sense magnetic fields. Other extra senses can include the ability to sense things in different dimensions, distortions in time and space, the thoughts of other beings, the future, the past, quantum activity, magical energies, forms of life energy like ki, computer data, etc.
- Note - This is not to be confused with Extrasensory Perception, as this ability must involve the use of one of the standard five senses, or any other sensory organs, in order to qualify."
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Thought I'd repost the suggestion from my other thread about modifying the page entry arrangements:
I'm not sure if it's necessary or useful, but just wondering whether armour (like bulletproof vests, bombsuits, spacesuits, etc) should be included (in which case the Weapons section should be renamed to Armour And Weapons), but even if that's not the case, I feel shields should be added since they've been both used as defensive blocking weapons and offensive parrying and ramming weapons (even if not the primary purpose regarding the latter) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_shield in modern times, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguni_shield and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scutum in more historical times), and then there's dueling shields that have been around quite a while as well from Talhoffer and other manuals:
I'm not sure if it's necessary or useful, but just wondering whether armour (like bulletproof vests, bombsuits, spacesuits, etc) should be included (in which case the Weapons section should be renamed to Armour And Weapons), but even if that's not the case, I feel shields should be added since they've been both used as defensive blocking weapons and offensive parrying and ramming weapons (even if not the primary purpose regarding the latter) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_shield in modern times, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguni_shield and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scutum in more historical times), and then there's dueling shields that have been around quite a while as well from Talhoffer and other manuals:
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We should probably somehow add transmissible spongiform encephalopathies/TSEs (prions) and other diseases like African trypanosomiasis (parasite), visceral leishmaniasis (parasite), etc that have 99-100% case fatality rate along with vectors and causes, Clostridium botulinum (bacteria, botulinum toxin/botulism disease), Yersinia pestis (bacteria, plague), and galaxy cluster mergers (natural events) to the Real World page
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No problem
^ could you help me add the stuff I suggested in the previous message somehow? (not sure how they'd be tiered or described in VSBW format but worth a shot) (also not sure how to mention/notify people without replies welp)
Also:
Real World Page Entry Addition And Arrangement Modification Discussion Thread (ie/tldr Real World Discussion Thread)
So... this is gonna be a bit daunting and probably insane coming from me due to being a relative newcomer, but I have some ideas I would like to pose regarding the arrangement and status of the Real World Entries (I'm probably gonna spend most of my time either in Content Revision regarding the...
"1) I personally do not mind slightly improving the organisation in our real world page, but it would have to be evaluated and handled by highly experienced members, preferably staff."
Ant agreed to allow us to change the format of the Real World page according to the proposal if necessary, provided we do it properly
Also, despite the 3rd point he made, I think we can add armour (or at least shields under Melee Weapons) to the Real World page.
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Time Zones
Was curious as to how different the time zones are for everyone in this community, I know Ant's Swedish (he mentioned it in his Fandom profile page), I'm Singaporean/Indian (I live mostly in Singapore but every end of year I go back to India to visit extended family), but not sure about everyone...
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This is a bit hilarious lel
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I mean, that's one way of contacting us lol.On another note, anyone wanna share what timezones you all are in? (using replies (though cutting out most of the words) to notify peeps)Time Zones
Was curious as to how different the time zones are for everyone in this community, I know Ant's Swedish (he mentioned it in his Fandom profile page), I'm Singaporean/Indian (I live mostly in Singapore but every end of year I go back to India to visit extended family), but not sure about everyone...vsbattles.com
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This is a bit hilarious lel
To my knowledge, the research, profile making and logic-checking are the 3 steps to making a profile. You should try to find 1-2 people and divide labor equally to save time.
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I mean it can refer to both profile making and just discussion as well, but thanks for the advice.
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So apparently, we found evidence that not all insects are stupid: https://www.livescience.com/animals...-only-animal-other-than-humans-known-to-do-so
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Most eusocial insects are a lot smarter than we give then credit for, especially ants.
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I mean, sure, but any non-human creature, let alone Florida carpenter ants, practicing advanced medicine is wild.
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Btw. If anyone wants to provide more feats and info for these animals (on-site or not) vvv
Rules for being included in this list
- The most famous, iconic, symbolic, and popular species only. Specifically only the 20 most charismatic species, 7 most symbolic animals, 10 most popular animals, 11 most famous sea animals, and most famous prehistoric animals
- If a particular animal group isn’t a particular species, the most common real life species of the animal may be used.
- Note that I’ll be including the ones that are most likely able to influence fiction or battleboarding
Extant animals (38)
Aquatic (12)- Cetaceans (3)
- Blue Whale
- Bottlenose Dolphin
- Sperm Whale
- Giant Squid
- Phronima
- Red Jamaican Crab
- Fish (4)
- Bluestreak Cleaner Wrasse
- Clownfish
- Pacific Regal Blue Tang
- Great White Shark (The most popular shark in IRL)
- Sponges
- Starfish
- Bears (2)
- Brown Bear
- Grizzly Bear
- Panda (Giant Panda)
- Polar Bear
- Brown Bear
- Birds (5)
- Domestic Chicken
- Doves
- Owls
- Great Horned Owl (Nos, owl species most seen and heard)
- Raven
- Vultures
- Cats (5)
- Domestic
- Panthera (4)
- Dogs (4)
- Canids
- Domestic (3)
- Bulldog (is the most popular breed of dog searched on google)
- Husky (the 2nd dog on this list that's the most popular dog on google trends that's on-site)
- Labrador Retriever (It's the world's most popular dog; D)
- Elephant
- Monkeys (3)
- Chimpanzee
- Capuchin (Here)
- Gorilla (Here and here)
- Ungulates (4)
- Giraffe (Done; possible tier change in-case I or someone else finishes calc for the animal)
- Horse
- Rhino
- White Rhinoceros (most common rhino)
- Zebra
- Koala
- Crocodiles
- Saltwater Crocodile (Most deadliest croc)
- Hippopotamus
Extinct Animals
(11)- Dinosaurs (self-explanatory, justifications are from this list) (10)
- Allosaurus
- Apatosaurus
- Archaeopteryx
- Brachiosaurus
- Dilophosaurus
- Spinosaurus
- Stegosaurus
- Triceratops (one of the most recognizable dinosaurs)
- Tyrannosaurus Rex (Real World) (most famous & recognizable dinosaur, one of the most famous dino fossils is a T. Rex)
- Velociraptor (Real World)
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So only AP related feats?
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Quick question, do we have more evidence of 9-B IRL animal raw strength at the weights of 200-400 kg? I'm saying this because I managed to calc a tiger paw swipe 9-C to 9-B at even playful, lower forces.
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It was copy pasted from my sandbox on my plans to revise IRL animals. The point of the post is to see and prioritized the most cultural significant ones. Lots of text have been edited out for the purposes of this post.
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Decided to add this part into the post and edited the rule just to let everyone know what animals can be on the list.
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On an unrelated note, Deleted Username (a major supporter in IRL animals) is injured and should be inactive for several weeks.
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damn, hope Aurora recovers soon.
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Not necessarily advanced medicine by human standards perhaps, but capability to heal severe injuries indeed which is still impressive, and also I think quite a few species of ants are also capable of similar healing feats (essentially sealing wounds, even severed limbs, to allow injured fellow ants to continue to work and fight).
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I know H3's profile message wall area has a whole discussion between Aurora, ScalingRandom and me on Orcas vs Sperm Whales and I posted my belief that bull sperm whales are stronger than orcas, but I still think orcas deserve a spot in this list (if they're not already added and well documented in terms of powers/stats) (particularly cause despite being much smaller than bull sperm whales, orcas can still kill both most predatory marine organisms and most prey marine organisms (I hesitate to say all since there's organisms with defenses tough enough to repel orcas, particularly poisonous and venomous ones), especially when orcas team up in pods, and they're considered a cosmopolitan species as well)
Speaking of cosmopolitan species, here's a clarification on what it means:
Cosmopolitan distribution - Wikipedia
Cosmopolitan distribution - Wikipedia
We should also add the cape buffalo as well (again, if they're not added and well documented in terms of powers/stats already), since alongside the hippo, rhino and elephant the buffalo is one of the most dangerous African animals and they are in the Big 5 list:
Big five game - Wikipedia
As for dinosaurs, I know other extinct creatures deserve a spot as well, and I know quite a few are already inside, but I'd still like to make sure both dinosaurs and other extinct creatures receive the love they deserve so I'm sending articles for the largest, longest living and most numerous of either/both extinct and/or extant organisms (oddly there's no prehistoric largest plants, though probably cause at least a few plants or other photosynthetic organisms have survived since even the periods just after the birth of life, also not sure why largest prehistoric animals article is not embedding):
Largest organisms - Wikipedia
List of longest-living organisms - Wikipedia
Lists of organisms by population - Wikipedia
(Edit: I meant H3's profile message wall, I mistakenly thought it was Aurora's cause Aurora and ScalingRandom were the two other main discussion participants in the message wall, sorry H3 and Aurora as well as anyone else I accidentally confused
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Also, just notifying that my time zone thread ^ is closed cause this one exists:On another note, anyone wanna share what timezones you all are in? (using replies (though cutting out most of the words) to notify peeps)Time Zones
Was curious as to how different the time zones are for everyone in this community, I know Ant's Swedish (he mentioned it in his Fandom profile page), I'm Singaporean/Indian (I live mostly in Singapore but every end of year I go back to India to visit extended family), but not sure about everyone...
Your time zone
Since when some users are available, but users from the other side of the Earth at this time are asleep, I decided to create a thread where everyone can specify their UTC. This can be useful: we will know time to contact each other. UTC-11: UTC-10: UTC-9: UTC-8: Jeremihe...
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List of human disease case fatality rates - Wikipedia
Median lethal dose - Wikipedia
List of anthropogenic disasters by death toll - Wikipedia
List of natural disasters by death toll - Wikipedia
Orders of magnitude (energy) - Wikipedia
(Do keep note that for median lethal dose (LD50) the lower the dose the more toxic it is, for all the other stuff the higher it is the worse/bigger it is)
As for other stuff:
Orders of magnitude (mass) - Wikipedia
Orders of magnitude (area) - Wikipedia
Orders of magnitude (volume) - Wikipedia
Orders of magnitude (speed) - Wikipedia
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Real World Page Entry Addition And Arrangement Modification Discussion Thread (ie/tldr Real World Discussion Thread)
Watching The essential purpose for the thread's dealt with though (as in the points and proposals I sent have been answered), pretty sure the best course now is to just close this thread and redirect to Cracker's more general-purpose thread on the Real World.
Also just a reminder that shields (and potentially armours) could be included as well as the page being possibly renovated, best to keep an eye out for further updates.
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This looks good by the way, though I would think the metal would go up to Wall level in durability depending on what type of metal is used, and though the blades are separable they cannot be joined back together in most typical cases (unlike, for example, a polearm that can change the heads to incorporate different types of weaponry for different uses such as a poleaxe/pollaxe)
"Weaknesses: Certain scissors are made of plastic and all scissors are made of metal, meaning that any power that can exploit these materials can hinder the attacker."
Sounds a bit contradictory (despite the clarification in Material), maybe it could be rephrased to:
Weaknesses: All scissors have parts made with metal and certain scissors additionally consist of parts made with plastic, meaning that any power/ability that can exploit or damage these materials can hinder the wielder.
That's all I have for suggestions, other than that seems good.
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Do we have scans for the blades not being seperable in some cases? And knives+katana blades are 9-C in durability too, so do we have evidence that the metal can be 9-B and not guesswork?
Common sense already takes care of the potential confusion. So implementing this change on the profile won't hurt. (as I've already posted the profile on-site LOL).
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Not exactly about not being separable, just not being able to rejoin together (or at least not without difficulty, though it probably depends on scissor type again)
as for 9-B, I'd say blades being able to cut through or deflect bullets? (has been done in magic tricks like splitting a bullet with an axe blade to hit two targets at the same time, but with scissors it's a stretch, I doubt scissors are made out of spring or tool steel or high-carbon or other composite steels and other durable alloys that swords or spears or heavy duty tools and weaponry in general are made out of, but theoretically possible)
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Not necessarily scans, but I haven't personally seen anyone break scissors apart and then put them back together, but I could be wrong given how simple the construction is relatively
Scissors - Wikipedia
I underestimated how old they are OOF, but yeah durability wise I'd say certain types of blades could possibly cut through 9-B durability materials like stone or metal (also, I guess it depends how far you'd stretch the definition of scissors/shears, hydraulic cutters apparently count lel)
And I agree with depending on bullet type/caliber/size and speed and thus KE and force.
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We don't accept personal experience if common sense or credible sources don't support your claims
1: I know you're not saying that scissors should be 9-B, but people can use the same reasoning of "cutting through 9-B materials" to upgrade scissors to 9-B. And Our tiering system is oversimplified to where you can damage higher durability beings with lower energy piercing damage. And most of our swords and cutting weapons are 9-C due to this.
2: The profile is originally intended for scissors in general, not particular speciallized scissors. Not saying that hydrulic scissors should be excluded since safety scissors are on-profile, but you'd need to devote an extra key for hydrulic scissors since they're different than normal scissors you'd see everyday. And you would have to CRT the profile to have them, not me. I want to devote time to other things in my 18 year old life instead of hydrulic shears.
3: I've seen the sheets of metal you're talking about, they're still somewhat weak since they're thin. Not 9-B.
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Should I take a massive scan/source request for my future calcs on IRL animals here? Or another thread? I want others to do some of the work for me as long as it's voluntary.
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I think for convenience and efficiency it's best to do it here... probably (personally would stick to one general purpose thread already being used compared to making new specialised/focused threads and waiting for responses)
Also I know the last part is asking for help since you're busy with other life priorities but that sounds kinda off
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I understand this and I understood the source video
But:
1: that might pose a bit of a durability or ergonomics issue if the user accidentally or unintentionally separates the scissors
2: Most scissors/shears I've seen are not quick-detachable like that (they still do refute my earlier belief about being unable to fix scissors that came apart, but then I'd probably worry instead more about the handle breaking cause if enough force is applied to a hard enough material that the scissor is unable to cut through either as a single scissor or dual knives the handle, if plastic, could break off from the metal blade tang, but this is less of an issue with full-metal scissors/shears unless rusting or wear and tear occurs to that point which is far worse)
(as per my earlier statement ^, separable, yes, but not instantly detachable and re-attachable as in your video's case, though said video's scissors are reminiscent of convertible bo staffs to escrima sticks in the sense of means of conversion) (at least not household or general purpose versions) (copypasting images from the Scissors Wikipedia article)
also these:
Classic - Professional Scissors - 25 cm | Fiskars
The distinct orange handle of Fiskars® Classic Scissors is an international symbol of refined ergonomics and superior performance, with more than 1 billion scissors sold since 1967. Drawing on that tradition, Fiskars® Classic Dressmaking Scissors excel at long, clean cuts through a variety of...
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(not sure how many examples I'd have to provide, I hope these are enough)
(basically all separable but with the aid of tools usually like torque wrenches or screwdrivers)
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These I will not contest, they're pretty much accurate and/or perfectly reasonable.
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I understand this and I understood the source video
But:
1: that might pose a bit of a durability or ergonomics issue if the user accidentally or unintentionally separates the scissors
2: Most scissors/shears I've seen are not quick-detachable like that (they still do refute my earlier belief about being unable to fix scissors that came apart, but then I'd probably worry instead more about the handle breaking cause if enough force is applied to a hard enough material that the scissor is unable to cut through either as a single scissor or dual knives the handle, if plastic, could break off from the metal blade tang, but this is less of an issue with full-metal scissors/shears unless rusting or wear and tear occurs to that point which is far worse)
(as per my earlier statement ^, separable, yes, but not instantly detachable and re-attachable as in your video's case, though said video's scissors are reminiscent of convertible bo staffs to escrima sticks in the sense of means of conversion) (at least not household or general purpose versions) (copypasting images from the Scissors Wikipedia article)
also these:
Classic - Professional Scissors - 25 cm | Fiskars
The distinct orange handle of Fiskars® Classic Scissors is an international symbol of refined ergonomics and superior performance, with more than 1 billion scissors sold since 1967. Drawing on that tradition, Fiskars® Classic Dressmaking Scissors excel at long, clean cuts through a variety of...www.fiskars.com
(not sure how many examples I'd have to provide, I hope these are enough)
(basically all separable but with the aid of tools usually like torque wrenches or screwdrivers)
This being said, perhaps whoever makes scissors that double as dual knives could possibly take inspiration from other less unstable means of detaching and reattaching:
(in the scissor's case, perhaps one bolt or two bolts that can lock the scissors in place but are easy to unscrew by hand and remove when converting to knives)
(in the scissor's case, perhaps a similar friction-lock sort of bolt, trigger-release in some form, or other related fastening systems that are more secure than simply pulling the blades apart)
And for anyone else considering multi-purpose weapons:
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IDK initially, but ok. The scope of the calc request as a whole is fairly large, so if most people here agree it should be a different thread, then I'll make the thread.I think for convenience and efficiency it's best to do it here... probably (personally would stick to one general purpose thread already being used compared to making new specialised/focused threads and waiting for responses)
Also I know the last part is asking for help since you're busy with other life priorities but that sounds kinda off
I understand this and I understood the source video
But:
1: that might pose a bit of a durability or ergonomics issue if the user accidentally or unintentionally separates the scissors
2: Most scissors/shears I've seen are not quick-detachable like that (they still do refute my earlier belief about being unable to fix scissors that came apart, but then I'd probably worry instead more about the handle breaking cause if enough force is applied to a hard enough material that the scissor is unable to cut through either as a single scissor or dual knives the handle, if plastic, could break off from the metal blade tang, but this is less of an issue with full-metal scissors/shears unless rusting or wear and tear occurs to that point which is far worse)
(as per my earlier statement ^, separable, yes, but not instantly detachable and re-attachable as in your video's case, though said video's scissors are reminiscent of convertible bo staffs to escrima sticks in the sense of means of conversion) (at least not household or general purpose versions) (copypasting images from the Scissors Wikipedia article)
also these:
Classic - Professional Scissors - 25 cm | Fiskars
The distinct orange handle of Fiskars® Classic Scissors is an international symbol of refined ergonomics and superior performance, with more than 1 billion scissors sold since 1967. Drawing on that tradition, Fiskars® Classic Dressmaking Scissors excel at long, clean cuts through a variety of...www.fiskars.com
(not sure how many examples I'd have to provide, I hope these are enough)
(basically all separable but with the aid of tools usually like torque wrenches or screwdrivers)
Your point is that not all scissors are easily detachable. So a CRT w/ a small revision is worth our time here to make this change.
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Scan request (IRL Animals Calcs)
Rules
- Make sure they follow these regulations for credible IRL source.
- Only calcs with enough information for a doable calc may be done on it.
- Not all sections have to be filled or calced if a specific piece of information needed for the calc to be done can't be found.
- Note that all the calcs here are primarily for AP.
- Making the calcs for me is optional, but help is appeciated.
- Average sizes for these animals only unless specified
Please have scans and information for...
- Blue Whale strikes
- Giant Squid strikes or suction pressure converted into N, then calced into J
- Red Jamaican Crab hand force/pinch energy
- Domestic Cat swipe force
- Ape Strikes Energy
- Capuchins, Chimps, Orangutans and Gorillas included and needed
- Big Cat Jump force (Leopard, Lion, Tiger)
- Big cat swipes (Leopard, Lion, Tiger)
- Ostrich+Cassowary Kick
- Lynx+Cheetah paw energy
- Kangaroo kick energy
- Domestic Dog bite energy
- Husky, Bulldog, and Labrador bites.
- Gravitational potential energy for these animals
- Extant
- Elephant
- Horse (Ones that exceed type 0 Large Size)
- White Rhinoceros
- Saltwater Crocodile (Ones that exceed type 0 Large Size)
- Hippopotamus (Ones that exceed type 0 Large Size)
- Extinct
- Allosaurus
- Apatosaurus
- Brachiosaurus
- Dilophosaurus
- Spinosaurus
- Stegosaurus
- Triceratops
- Tyrannosaurus Rex (Real World)
- Extant
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