The Protege additions.

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Title says it all really.

His first key is seven years old.

Hellfire Manipulation (Copied the ability from Mephisto's daughter, Malevolence.)

Transmutation (Was around to see a hand getting transmutated into water vapor)

Flight (More often then not depicted as flying, can also make platforms to step o)

Light Manipulation (Copied the powers of Aleta, who solidifies light to attack)

Heat Manipulation/Radiation Manipulation (Stated to be able to copy thermal beams, and he did)

Weapon Mastery and Superhuman Physical Characteristics (here)

He obseved Shapeshifting as well. Twice.

Teleportation

Beyonder's abilities should also be his in his Low 2-C key. And about that key...

2-C AP. He and the beyonder also one-shot one of the manifestations of Eternity .

 

[Shivansh_Garg]

That was an illusion created by Eternity

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

That was an illusion created by Eternity

No, he plain says that they merely attacked one of his avatars, but it was undone because the true eternity is an abstract.

 

[Shivansh_Garg]

It is flat out explained that they couldn't do any damage upon him. Also you can hurt/destroy a Universal manifestation of Eternity without affecting the real one

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Yes, but the manifestation they hurt is 2-C. The fact that his true self is beyond them is a given.

 

[Shivansh_Garg]

They didn't hurt him, as we can see in the next panel

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

They destroyed thge manifestation, but it was in-vain because they weren't affecting his abstract self.

The avatar was blatantly affected, it's just that the manifestation can't be killed as long as the real deal exist, or until they keep imagining it.

 

[Shivansh_Garg]

That is where you are wrong, you can destroy the manifestation, or at least hurt him. But they couldn't do either because he was simply beyond them

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

They quiet litirally blasted it apart, but that amounts to nothing due to it's nature.

You can't hurt the manifestation with brute force, no. Were they 2-B the effect would have been the same.

 

[Hykuu]

Eternity quite literally says no damage was done as Eternity himself lacks a physical form, and is indeed a abstract entity.

" They quiet litirally blasted it apart, but that amounts to nothing due to it's nature. "

Why is this relevant? This blasting Eternity apart means nothing because it actually did nothing, as he explained.

They only hurt their own limited perception of Eternity, As he himself explains. They can't even *percieve* eternity, what makes you think they can 1 shot him?


Oh and this is the same Eternity they supposedly blasted, nothing distincts them (excluding size but that is explained by eternity regardless)

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The limited perception is 2-C. The actual destiny is High 1-B.

Hurting the former obviously doesn't affect the latter, but it is still 2-C.

 

[Hykuu]

" The limited perception is 2-C. The actual destiny is High 1-B. "

> They only hurt their own limited perception of Eternity, As he himself explains. They can't even *percieve* eternity, what makes you think they can 1 shot him?


> Oh and this is the same Eternity they supposedly blasted, nothing distincts them (excluding size but that is explained by eternity regardless)

" Hurting the former obviously doesn't affect the latter, but it is still 2-C. "

>

Eternity quite literally says no damage was done as Eternity himself lacks a physical form, and is indeed a abstract entity.

" They quiet litirally blasted it apart, but that amounts to nothing due to it's nature. "

Why is this relevant? This blasting Eternity apart means nothing because it actually did nothing, as he explained.

Good job, you refuted nothing, lmao. Repeating your statements which i've already addressed means nothing.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The limited perception is Eternity's manifestation. Said manifestation is 2-C. Hurting the manifastation will not affect the real Eternity, let alone hurt him.


The fact that they cannot damage his true self does means nothing here. When eternity says that he was not hurt, he mean the true himself.


The fact that they can affect and blow the manifestation apart is 2-C, because the manifestation is 2-C. Any damage done top it is null because immortality type 9, but that does not make blowing it apart null.

 

[Hykuu]

" The limited perception is Eternity's manifestation. Said manifestation is 2-C. Hurting the manifastation will not affect the real Eternity, let alone hurt him. "

" Oh and this is the same Eternity they supposedly blasted, nothing distincts them (excluding size but that is explained by eternity regardless) "

" The fact that they cannot damage his true self does means nothing here. When eternity says that he was not hurt, he mean the true himself. "

refer to the other point

" The fact that they can affect and blow the manifestation apart is 2-C, because the manifestation is 2-C. Any damage done top it is null because immortality type 9, but that does not make blowing it apart null. "

refer to the same refute


you are still incapable of refuting anything I said, all you actually did was rephrase your same argument 3 times.


Eternity literally explains they can't percieve him, and the form they are seeing infront of him is just a aspect.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Yes, it is an aspect. But the aspect is 2-C.

When he says they can't percieve him, he makes it as clear as possible that "him" that they cannot percieve is the abstract High 1-B entity.

What they are seeing is his manifestation, which is 2-C. Blowing up the manifestation is, by extension, 2-C

 

[Hykuu]

It doesn't matter, they never actually harmed the aspect, that is the point.

" When he says they can't percieve him, he makes it as clear as possible that "him" is the abstract High 1-B entity. " Nothing he says remotely substantiates that, he merely says that they can't even percieve him, and they still couldn't in that panel. That eternity is no different than the aspect. That is the point.

" What they are seeing is his manifestation, which is 2-C. Blowing up the manifestation is, by extension, 2-C "

If you are conceding to the manifestation being the same eternity we see in the next page then you are clearly ignoring the context. They never blew Eternity up, that is the damn point. The damage was completely nullified and didn't actually effect the eternity aspect.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

They harmed the manifestation, that is the point.

The manifestation was blown up, quiet blatantly. It was undone due to immortality type 9, and as shown by them being teleported back with another size, their action itself was undone.

The body was destroyed, it just didn't affect the true Eternity.

 

[Hykuu]

" They harmed the manifestation, that is the point. " >ignores the scan posted above, this is a complete ad nasuem and a failed attempt of you ignoring context.

You still haven't refuted this point, You haven't brought up anything new which my refute didn't debunk, again, read what I said. " and as shown by them being teleported back with another size, their action itself was undone. " That is because they can't percieve Eternity, the size of his aspects can completely change as his appearance is subjective.

" The body was destroyed, it just didn't affect the true Eternity. "

Read the scan.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No I didn't.

His manifestation was blown up, but it wouldn't have stayed that way even if a 2-B did that.


That is because they can't percieve Eternity, the size of his aspects can completely change as his appearance is subjective.

But this is not eternity that changed. They changed. Their size went back to what it was before, and they were teleported back onto the palm of the celestial.

 

[Shivansh_Garg]

True Eternity was never mentioned, it was the aspect that they failed to hurt as shown in the scan

 

[Hykuu]

" No I didn't. "

Very informative, extremely elaborated and a claim which has full basis.

" His manifestation was blown up, but it wouldn't have stayed that way even if a 2-B did that. " Doesn't matter, the manifestation wasn't actually harmed, if it was a being who can actually harm abstract beings it would be different, that is the point. " But this is not eternity that changed. They changed. Their size went back to what it was before, and they were teleported back onto the palm of the celestial. "

Protege's power still stayed the same, nothing indicates he lost his power.

Also this point itself doesn't prove anything, as if you say Eternity hasn't changed then nothing proves this was his true form, rather the same manifestation they fought earlier. So it contradicts your argument.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

True Eternity was never mentioned, it was the aspect that they failed to hurt as shown in the sca

No, he litirally says that "in thruth, eternity is an abstract entity".

The aspect was hurt, it was merely undone.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The Protege only needs to have seen the ability to have it, and their memory was obviously not affected. Their actions however were still undone, both their changes in size and postitiion.

 

[Shivansh_Garg]

Yes. Even Universal Eternity is abstract entity, and they failed to hurt him

 

[PaChi2]

Za bump

 

[FloweryAlex]

Bump, I guess.

Shouldn't his first key be also 5-A since he got the ability to copy the fantastic four from the skrull?

 

[Hykuu]

nice necro

 

[FloweryAlex]

No, it's not.

You can't necro a crt if it's still relevant.

 

[Hykuu]

It is about 4 months old, it doesn't matter if the CRT is relevant or not, but the time that has passed, if it is so important to you then it is usually suggested to just remake it.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No, he is right. I tisn't a necro in any way. The regulations plain state that something old can be commwnted on if it's relevant at the time.

A vsbattle that suddenly became fair again after a crt can also be commented on again, for exemple.

 

[PaChi2]

Ricsi, ask an admin or someone to open the Protege's profile.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Yra.


And what about Protege's base scaling to 5-A?

 

[PaChi2]

We can change his tiering to:

Base | After copying Beyonder/Eternity | After TLT

Unknown, 5-A after copying the 4F | Low 2-C, 2-C after copying Eternity | 1-A

I guess?

 

[Hykuu]

he never copied eternity I don't think so

 

[PaChi2]

he never copied eternity I don't think so

Is that explicitly stated? Because they did fight Eternity, didnt they?

 

[Hykuu]

yes but we never saw him actually copy eternity's power, for some reason. And if he did, not sure why it wouldn't be stated or why he didn't use it (I could be wrong since my memory is a bit iffy)

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I mean, there was a panel dedicated just to show him looking at his showcase of the power, but didn't blatantly show it beforehand regardless.

Anyhow, he copied a skrull that copied the f4, not the f4 themselves.

 

[PaChi2]

You can add the 5-A base if you want.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Problem is, I1m on a phone and I won't be getting proper internet at home for what looks like weeks.

If someone else wants to make the changes, go on.

If not... I'll do them eventually, I guess.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

A few things:

• Changed his name from unknown to The Protege. That is the name he actually uses, and people worship him as, likely since birth. He also referred to himself as Magnus, but that was more because he was supposed to be his replacement.
• Made his AP Varies, up to Large planet level because each power he copies stays equal to what it originally was.
• Removed him overpowering the beyonder as an AP reasoning. They were equal and the beyonder needed o escape because of being caught off guard, and later beyonder was slightly (something like a millionth of a second or something) faster.

Protege

Summary The Protege is a cosmic entity, the childlike ruler of the Universal Church of Truth. In order to save the lives of the Guardians of the Galaxy, the Skrull shapeshifter Replica left them to give herself as a playmate to Protege, her god. However, she comes into conflict with Protege's other companion, Malevolence, the daughter of Mephisto. Thus, upon receiving a call for aid from her old friend Martinex, as his planet is being torn asunder by multiple tragedies, Replica dodges the attentions of Protege and Malevolence to answer this call, though ultimately it is Protege who lets her go. Despite this, she still had to be rescued from a Universal Church ship by Firelord. In the 31st century of Earth-691, the Living Tribunal was nearly usurped by Protege, whose abilities to duplicate the powers of others allowed him to manifest the Living Tribunal's own power. The Guardians of the Galaxy struggled futilely against Protege, and the Living Tribunal itself wasn't able to defeat it. Protege claimed to have become not the new Living Tribunal, but the new One Above All, though he was ultimately stopped by the combined efforts of The Living Tribunal and the Celestial Scathan the Approver. The Tribunal then absorbed into itself to prevent him from endangering reality again. Powers and Stats Tier: Varies, up to 5-A | At least 2-C | 1-A Name: The Protege Origin: Marvel Comics Gender: Male Age: Unknown, tough still a child Classification: Cosmic Entity Powers and Abilities: Power Mimicry (Can copy any power he sees, regaregardless of requirements to to use them), Flight, Hellfire Manipulation (Copited Mephisto's daughter, Malevolence), Transmutation (Witnessed a hand getting transmutated into water vapor), Light Manipulation (Copied the powers of Aleta, who solidifies light to attack), Heat Manipulation/Radiation Manipulation (Can fire thermal beams), Martial Arts/Weapon Mastery (Copied the skills of several fighters, and even held a tournament where he copied all the fighter's skills.), Shapeshifting (Observed both Skrull as well as Mephisto's shapeshifting), BFR/Teleportation (Teleported the guardians of the galaxy to another planet) | All previous on a much higher extent, copied all of Beyonder's abilities, Power Modification (Can change powers to be as powerful as he is) | All previous on an immensly higher extent, copied the powers of Eternity, the Hawk God, and The Living Tribunal. If he wasn't stopped, he would have continued to grow even stronger. Attack Potency: Varies, up to Large Planet level with copied power (Each copied power remains as powerful as it originally was. Some of the powers he copied were comparable or superior to a skrull capable of replicating The Thing ) | At least Low Multiverse level (He had the powers of the post-retcon Beyonder) | Outerverse level (After mimicking the Living Tribunal's powers). Speed: Unknow | Immeasurable (Comparable to the Beyonder) | Irrelevant Lifting Strength: Unknow | Immeasurable | Irrelevant Striking Strength: Large Planet level (Copied physical power comparable to a skrull that could use The Thing's power) | At least Low Multiversal | Outerversal Durability: Large Planet level (Copied physical power comparable to a skrull that could use The Thing's power) | At least Low Multiverse level | Outerverse level Stamina: Unknown | Infinite | Infinite Range: Unknown | Multiversal+ | Irrelevant Standard Equipment: Unknown Intelligence: Depicted as naive, tough he later claims to have seen through Mephitso's plots | Infinite | Nigh-Omniscient Weaknesses: Can only copy powers after he has observed them being used. Notable Attacks/Techniques: Power Mimicry: managed to copy the powers of Eternity, the Guardians of the Galaxy, the Hawk God, and The Living Tribunal. Key: Base | With the post-retcon Beyonder's power | With the powers of the abstract entities Note: Before making any changes to this page, please read and follow the Power-scaling Rules for Marvel and DC Comics. Others Notable Victories: Notable Losses: Inconclusive Matches: