THE ONE ABOVE ALL revision

[Jonathanlighter]

okay so "pre retcon" toaa is tier 0 and "post recton" toaa is 1-A. and according to his page, the reason for this is because the term "omniverse" has been retconned to mean something much less than what it originally meant right? it used to mean literally everything, and now it just means a basic multiverse/universe. after the retcon, characters that arent all that powerful are able to travel outside the omniverse and stuff, which shows that the omniverse isnt absolutely everything and there IS things outside of it.

but heres the thing: toaa was NEVER retconned. the term "omniverse" was. the fact that toaa is the undoubtedly and absolutely boundless supreme being in the Marvel fictional verse still remains the same. i assume the writers didnt even mention toaa when the retcon happened. i read the twitter where someone asks al wing (the guy who supposedly retconned the term "omniverse"), if he uses omniverse as a synonym for multiverse. and he replies with "pretty much". if this is ALL he said about this "retcon", i dont even think this is a retcon. he's using the term omniverse differently from what it originally meant, thats all. hence why he wrote "im a bad person" jokingly. so basically what im saying is, even if the term omniverse has changed from being absolutely everything, to just being a multiverse/universe, toaa is still the supreme being of the entire marvel verse even to this day. if he was tier 0 before, he still should be now.

im 99% sure the writers of marvel still consider TOAA to be the absolutely omnipotent supreme being of marvel, just like he was in "pre retcon" days. why would they randomly make him a limited being, when he was originally an omnipotent god for no reason?

Just because he was the creator of the "omniverse", which now has a different meaning does NOT mean hes any weaker or less powerful. he still has shown zero weaknesses or limitations. hence i think he should be a tier 0 currently if he was back then. nothing changed about the character himself. the only thing that changed was how a couple writers use the term "omniverse". the fact that toaa is the supreme being of the entire marvel verse still stays true IIRC.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

You aren't wrong that it was the term that was changed, not the TOAA, but I think that more recent comics have shown that there are beings that can threaten him, or at the very least seriously inconvience him, so he can't be tier 0

 

[Jonathanlighter]

where? there are two different characters with the name "the one above all" so it might have been the other one.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Nevermind, I was thinking of the comic where Adam Warlock and Thanos meet TOAA and I thought the OAA actually had something to lose. He doesn't, so your argument seems fair.

 

[Gemmysaur]

The one where he switches genders multiple times? It looked to me more like he was humoring than anything actually concrete.

 

[Jonathanlighter]

is this agreement with the revision?

 

[Gemmysaur]

I'm neutral at the moment. Just to let you know though, the staff are currently discussing Marvel's cosmics like Oblivion, Living Tribunal, Eternity and the others so there might be a chance this can be brought to light.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

This is currently being discussed in depth. There's a chance that Oblivion might be 1-A, and 1-A realms have been shown in 2 difference storylines, as such it might be concluded that TOAA is Tier 0 without the need of a retcon.

 

[Antvasima]

We rated the OAA as tier 0 strictly due to the statement that it created all of reality and fiction combined.

This is a Suggsverse-level conceited and irrational claim in itself, so I am uncertain if it should have ever been used as a gauge in the first place.

However, if the so-called "omniverse" is now just a multiverse, infinite-dimensional or not, that is not remotely enough to qualify.

I will unhighlight and lock this thread, to not have it spiral out of control while we are already dealing with a Marvel revision.

I would appreciate if you permanently and immediately drop the subject.