I agree with Agnaa, out of all the complaints I've heard about VSBattles on other websites, the S/O/N section is never one of them.
Never claimed it was widely complained about, its more in the fact of what it now represents as the wiki continues to improve and become more professional. It is a section based purely (or by face-value due to its terminology) on bias and personal feelings towards a verse, seemingly only there for people to drop their names on verses that they merely like and dislike as opposed to not saying they know the verse in general. The other flaws of the VsBattles Wik greatly overshadow this one, but those are harder to fix because no one ever 100% agrees when it comes to powerscaling.
However, like i've said a ton of times now, just because its not some huge massive priority that will completely revolutionise the wiki, it doesnt mean it shouldnt be talked about or made to improve. The 'if it aint broke, dont fix it' mentality is not helping the wiki evolve in the slightest.
This part is just going in circles. I don't believe more than 0.01% of users actually care to think this way, and we shouldn't put in a bunch of work to sterilize the website to their sensibilities.
Just because you don't believe it doesnt mean it hasn't confused users in the past, nor have people used it against others in threads/used it to try and cover own biases.
Its not about sterilising to others' sensibilities, its improving terminology and sections of the wiki that are merely there for personal opinion to a verse (and has confused many people such as myself over the years) into something thats Actually useful when it comes to powerscaling. This is what the Vs Battles wiki is about, and should be maintained as professionally and unbiased in its public pages as possible.
Ant isn't gonna remember clearly but he himself admitted in this thread to putting his name down based on personal opinion of verses as opposed to actually knowing anything about the verse. That dude is 'Neutral' or an 'Opponent' of a ton of verses on this wiki, and like...what does that really say thats useful?
I've never seen people view debating more as a competition simply because of S/O/N.
Yeah, exactly, it doesnt happen. However this labelling and idea of factions where verses get 'opponents' and 'supporters' puts this idea across. It wont for users like you who have roles on this wiki, but for the general traffic, and definitely in my first impression of the wiki, it came across this way.
Its not 'false advertising' or whatever, but its a little misleading, and can be improved in merely just having the knowledgable members list (we dont need both sections at a time, but i get if it needs to transition).
I mean that fields like these don't need to be filled out on every page for them to be nice to have.
I dont exactly see why its 'nice to have', they're literally just the standard format placeholders. Every page needs to have the Notable Matchups section, even if they have no chance at an improved versus thread, let alone ones that can actually get the standard 7 votes that arent just 'FRA' spammed over.
Just feels counterproductive to give people a section they can put their user profiles on a public page to say 'I dont like this verse' (this will come across as you are 'opposing' the verse to general traffic.) or 'I am neutral to this verse' (Why is this relevant to say?). If we want to stick to efficiency, then it would definitely be best to merge all these sections into a list of users who can speak on behalf of the verses powerscaling than their personal opinions. And thankfully, that usually goes hand-in-hand most of the time, so everyone who uses these sections properly is still a winner.
It's not opposed to that, we have a dedicated page for that.
Yeah, and that page is a relatively-new scroll-fest page thats way too longwinded and poorly formatted. No regular user will know to look there first, let alone know it exists, before attempting to look at a Verse page where they can already find a list of names of people willing to talk about the series.
It may have a place for Verses that dont have a Verse page sure, but we can easily make them just for that and the page will be 1000x less of a bore to scroll through. Some Verses dont even need a Verse Page, lets be real
In terms of keeping up an appearance of professionalism, I have never before seen someone point out S/O/N. Certainly not anyone on any other website (which is largely who we'd be catering attempts to be more professional for). I would not want us to waste our energy there.
I just have, in this thread about a year ago, and we were seemingly in majority agreement that it should be changed to accomodate Knowledgable Members instead. The only arguments so far for keeping it is that it'd be too long to change (Someone literally already said it'd be a simple mass-edit command to just change the section and keep the list of names), and that its just a bit of 'fun' or 'flavour' (Which...no? It's just people putting their users down in a section primarily made for others to refer to them. The S/O/N is a product of its time and has just been on the wiki since around the beginning.)
It takes this wiki a LONG time to recognise proper adjustments, let alone make them, so i dont see why just because it hasnt been pointed about before, it doesn't mean it isnt an improvement. To me, it seems rather a simple notion than what this thread has made it out to be - Changing the terminology that suggests bias-motivated factioning for or against a verse into something that generically just tells people that this user is willing to talk and answer questions about the verse and its powerscaling for specific questions or content thread referral. This IS the more professional approach fundamentally, even if its not such a massive priority, because it at least doesnt highlight a sense of bias for or against a verse. Please consider that just because staff roles and other users who are regulars on this wiki understand that, the inexperienced users and general 'civillians' don't. We should make it more user-friendly on the masse, as opposed to just keeping this section so people can get some...strange kind of satisfaction in putting their name on a verse page for simply liking or disliking.
Theres no sense of 'energy loss' in this. This wiki isn't an official business, and theres no big work schedule. This is just a hobby for all of us, but theres still a responsibility this wiki has as the 2nd biggest power-scaling outlet on the internet (after Death Battle) to be as reliable as possible. All it takes is a mass edit we can do from a bot, like the recent Notable Matchups project, and its not being done by the entire workforce. It's better than leaving this relic of the past around any further. Its more of an energy loss in the fact we haven't already done this when the initial result was completely approved (and seemingly left to dust), and now we're going back and forgetting completely.
