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I mean, this is pretty much the same thing as deleting the section if the terms "Supporters/Opponents/Neutral" straight up don't exist in the page anymore.
I'm not against the inclusion of a knowledge members section. But I am against altering what we currently have for Supporters/Oppoents/Neutral.We will not delete the section, just rename it to "Somewhat Knowledgeable Members", as well as move the sections from the following page to new "Knowledgeable Members" sections placed above them.
Knowledgeable Members List (Verses)
This page is intended to be a list of the members in this wiki who think that they are highly knowledgeable regarding relevant verses for this wiki that do not have any associated verse pages yet, including ones that have individual character pages here. Members who consider themselves as...
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That should be good.How about if we only move the "Knowledgeable Members" sections from the following page to the individual verse pages for easier overview then? Would that be a good idea?
Knowledgeable Members List (Verses)
This page is intended to be a list of the members in this wiki who think that they are highly knowledgeable regarding relevant verses for this wiki that do not have any associated verse pages yet, including ones that have individual character pages here. Members who consider themselves as...
The thing is, I don't even really agree with removing this section of the profiles being considered an improvement. I consider it a clear detriment. We do have the goal of fair and accurate character indexing, yes, but we are also a social community where we provide people with similar interests a platform to engage with each other. These goals both exist, and they aren't mutually exclusive. We can facilitate this community aspect without damaging the accuracy of the profiles.
We do, but we don't do it in a way where users 'allign' themselves with verses. We have an entire forum where we connect and use these characters for matchups, however there comes a point where we should not use main wiki pages to express what series we like and dislike, as opposed to series that we know. We don't need both a Knowledgable Members and Supporters/Opponents/Neutral section cause then it becomes redundant, where at least one of those is relevant to the powerscaling aspect of the series and lists members that can say they know what they're talking about, as opposed to ones that may just like a series but not know it enough to confidently debate about. I was one of these people that just put my name on a bunch of verses i liked/briefly looked upon to make pages, and as suhc theres been times i am approached for my input and not confident on giving it.
Well i did originally say it was opponents and neutral parts of this that should be removed, and that we can keep supporters, but i now agree we should change its name along the lines of 'knowledgable members'. This was discussed before but I would agree that having a list of names of people that actually know the series (Usually if you know the series, then you like and support it to some degree) is beneficial.
I'm not really sure how opponents comes across like that, but i suppose its cause naturally you wouldn't figure there would be a section to put your name in if you 'dislike the series'. But yeah, generally with people that arent members or knowledgable like the staff members, it comes across as a negative way. A section with people who know how to series works is much more practical in general yeah
I don't really understand how its 'community-friendly', and just because you, who are a staff member and know how the system works,use it fairly doesn't mean everyone else who isnt as into the wiki does too. It's confusing for a lot of people, and a ton of people do use it incorrectly.Being a supporter/opponent also leaks more into versus threads than content revision i'd say. Are there any examples you can list that shows how the Supporters/Opponents/Neutral has created a friendlier community (That just a general list of 'Knowledgable Members' wouldnt?
Is it fully useful? Perhaps not.
Its a general improvement. It isn't efficient to keep this old system around when nothing is done with it, and it only furthers heated discussion/suspecting claims, meanwhile we have a super, super long page of 'Knowledgable Members' for each Verse, that would be so much more easily asccesible and easy to navigate on their respective verse pages.
Notice how I never said it was. Unnecessary change is, I believe, what I was targeting.
What about it is inefficient in this instance? It isn't particularly efficient but I don't see how removing it is either.
Never said you did, but i've explained throughout this whole thread why it isnt 'unnecessary'. Its clearing clutter and adapting to change the wiki to a more professional format
Removing it in place of something thats useful is definitely efficient yeah. It removes the negative connotations associated to these labels
This is not clear in the slightest i'm afraid, a ton of people (like myself in the past) had used it for merely personal feelings. No one calls neutral parties to settle disputes since mods exist, but i'm not sure how effective it is that people can call themselves 'neutral and unbiased' on their own. It just doesn't work effectively, and this can be easily done under blanket term as 'Knowledgable members'. You lose nothing,
What uses that cant be under 'Knowledgeable Members'? If people are putting themselves under these three labels, they're effectively deciding how they want to be portrayed in it. And because its super unclear to the casual traffic of the wiki, it causes a ton of confusion. This doesnt have to be the single greatest change in the history of VSBW just to be considered and applied.
Its pretty obvious why
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I largely agree with DarkGrath's, Medeus', and Crabwhale's points here.
That said, would it be useful to move the sections from the following page to their respective associated verse pages, while keeping the current Supporters/Neutral/Opponents sections?
Knowledgeable Members List (Verses)
This page is intended to be a list of the members in this wiki who think that they are highly knowledgeable regarding relevant verses for this wiki that do not have any associated verse pages yet, including ones that have individual character pages here. Members who consider themselves as...
Sure but why do people who aren't confident enough to talk about the verse need to be included on the page for it, by putting themselves in a tier lower than that of knowledgable members? It was agreed already in the thread that the section became obsolete and we shouldn't put usernames on there based on personal preferences to verses since this distorts the unbiased distinctions when it comes to debate threads, and is much more fitting on separate user profiles.
If people are truly unconfident about the verse they feel strongly about, they can easily just speak for themselves if they don't want do take part in whatever makes them feel uncomfortable or rather just take themselves off the S/O/N list. And frankly, I still see nothing wrong with this at all as it provides an easier method for asking other people questions. In other words, you're making an attempt to fix things that aren't even broken
This is the Vs Battles Wiki, where we first and foremost talk about the power and scalings of series and its characters, as unbiased and fairly as we can among the community. Ergo, one of the issues with including your username on the page solely due to personal beliefs (for neutral and opponents) is unnecessary and only acts against this wiki's intentions. I think Supporters and Knowledgeable Members can go hand in hand, but the latter as we discussed is much better terminology. This is the issue, and something i directly faced in the past when i just ran my name through every Verse i liked and knew vaguely, but wasn't ready to comment or give serious answers to. I have mostly gotten rid of my name, but if terminology like this was put forward at that time, i would not have made this mistake.
