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The MCU changes. Edit: Looks like we need to finalize some stuff and we need to do more work on the calcs

We can't use surtur as an anti feat since Surtur didn't do a high 6-C explosion to begin with. All he did was destablize the core. Since we can't use his feat as evidence for upgrade, we CERTAINLY can't use it as evidence for downgrade
 
It doesn't scale to his ap or dura but it causes an explosion that kills him, he can't survive a 6c explosion the feat is still valid it just doesn't scale to anyone, just shows us what sutur can't survive.

we havent thrown it out for being to unclear like the nuetron star feat, we just cant use it to scale his ap or dura, it still tells us suturs dura wasn't enough to survive a 6c explosion.

false equivlance, we can't scale him to it as it's not his energy but we can certainly use it to showcase the fact he couldn't survive a 6c explosion.
 
Newendigo said:
Won't taking Captain Marvel as the strongest (Which is trash for specific reasons) meant that she is massively above Surtur?
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She should be above sutur, massively is a bit of a stretch there. (If we take the directors words iirc) but that's not the problem with her rating, her rating is based on her tanking kree missiles, something she doesn't actually do, she flies through some of the debris post detonation and throws them back but we never see her tank any explosion from them (And kree missiles have variable explosions sizes)
 
The pen or the sword said:
It doesn't scale to his ap or dura but it causes an explosion that kills him, he can't survive a 6c explosion the feat is still valid it just doesn't scale to anyone, just shows us what sutur can't survive.
we havent thrown it out for being to unclear like the nuetron star feat, we just cant use it to scale his ap or dura, it still tells us suturs dura wasn't enough to survive a 6c explosion.
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How do we know that surtur didn't die from being in the vaccuum of space?? Where do we know that surtur died from the blast and not the aftermath
 
We see him disintergrated by the blast, literally being pulled apart by the explosion and reduced to dust and post blast theirs nothing left of him or asgard so...
 
Does that really help? Thor and hulk still couldn't meaningfully harm sutur and sutur dies to a 6c explosion.... the gap is smaller but Even using the low balled calc it still places thor massivly above the explosion that kills sutur. And afaik there aren't any other solid feats to support 6c,

Iron mans metorites seem to slow and don't create impacts indicative of the force your calc for them suggest. Captain marvel 6b comes from her tanking kree missiles something she doesn't actually do, she blows them up and throws them back but is never caught in an explosion. Plus the explosions change size throughout the film. Thanos crushing the tesseract ignores the fact the tesseract can be used without exposing it to 120 mill k and the whole heat not being the exact same thing as dura thats been mentioned.
 
The pen or the sword said:
Does that really help? Thor and hulk still couldn't meaningfully harm sutur and sutur dies to a 6c explosion.... Even using the low balled calc it still places thor massivly above teh explosion that kills sutur. And afaik there aren't any other solid feats to support 6c,
Iron mans metorites seem to slow and don't create impacts indicative of the force your calc for them suggest. Captain marvel 6b comes from her tanking kree missiles something she doesn't actually do, she blows them up and throws them back but is never caught in an explosion. Plus the explosions change size throughout the film. Thanos crushing the tesseract ignores the fact the tesseract can be used without exposing it to 120 mill k and the whole heat not being the exact same thing as dura thing thats been mentioned.
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1.The surtur explosion was High 6-C according to the calc

2. We had verses which rose up 5 tiers due to 1 solid, accepted calc, As long as the calc is legitamate and its feat isn't incorrect, AND there are no true anti feats for it. Then the calc should be applied. It doesn't matter if this is the only tier 6 calc, as long as the calc isn't some incorrect wank with many anti feats, then there isn't nothing too wrong with it
 
I'm Blue daba dee daba die said:
We can't use surtur as an anti feat since Surtur didn't do a high 6-C explosion to begin with. All he did was destablize the core. Since we can't use his feat as evidence for upgrade, we CERTAINLY can't use it as evidence for downgrade
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We cant use it to upgrade sutur as it isn't his energy it doesn't make the fact it kills him somehow invalid. A character dying to a nuke is still a feat even if it doesn't scale to their ap or dura.
 
Also, from what I remember, why are we using a ragnarok calc for an IW feat?? If Thor used his full power in the neutron stuff in IW, why are we using him from ragnarok to disprove a feat in IW when he did the low 6-B stuff in IW??

Tbh, it looks like I need to do a CRT for the ragnarok stuff
 
High 6c explosion killing a being thor and hulk couldn't scratch vs high 6c plus done by same characters who havent gotten any stronger since that time.Even with his new low balled calc, do you not see the contradiction here? Is there anything to suggest IW thor is stronger then he is at the end of ragnarok
 
From what I remember, him doing the neutron star stuff was him showing off his full power, not him in ragnarok, which was still a massive upgrade from base, but I remember the neutron star was him showing his 100% power
 
What? When was this stated or explained and if he's actually gotten stronger? why didn't he yeet surtur who clearly can't handle high 6c levels of energy. Thor ran away and let asgard be destroyed, If he at on hundred precent power is that strong he could have saved asgard. he hasn't gotten stronger in infinity war afaik, he couldn't hurt surtur, whom died to a high 6c explosion.
 
1. It was the ONLY way to get rid of hela, who he couldn't scratch, and if he left her alive, she would find a way to kill the asgardians and earth

2. IW Thor awakened is stronger than ragnarok thor, the neutron star feat was him showing what he could do at 100% of his power
 
When was that stated or shown? Hela dies before the explosion if thor is truly that strong he could have waited for sutur to kill hela then killed sutur himself. He can't be that strong during the movie or the ending doesn't work.


If thats the case he's going to need a key seperating the two. If he's truly meant to be stronger then his ragnarok key though Im willing to let this go.
 
Even though ragnarok thor didn't do the feat which made them tier 6 in the 1st place.

He can't scale to a feat he never did, tier 6 should only scale to IW Characters

He reached his strongest potential in IW with the neutron star. By then surtur was of course dead
 
No but this feat means he should have been strong enough to yeet surtur at the end of the movie. unless we assume he's stronger in iw. If we accept this then awakened thor is stronger then the explosion that killed surtur if thats the case thor letting surtur destroy ragnarok makes no sense. If the new case is he's stronger fair enough, he'll need a new key for ragnarock though
 
The pen or the sword said:
No but this feat means he should have been strong enough to yeet surtur at the end of the movie. If we accept this then awakened thor is stronger then the explosion that killed surtur if thats the case thor letting surtur destroy ragnarok makes no sense. If the new case is he's stronger fair enough, hell need a new key for ragnarock though
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I was planning on making a CRT on this after we finish this up (Oh no), but I am waiting until we finish this up so I can start it, there is no way he should scale to a feat he never did in the 1st place

I will try to gather all the evidence of this though
 
Sutur didn't create the explosion, he cracked asgards crystaline core which resulted in an explosion that killed him, said explosion was calced to high 6c
 
Because IW Thor was thor at his limit, IW Neutron star feat was thor using his full energy, Thor's power in ragnarok wasn't him at his full limit. he was just far stronger than Ragnarok Thor
 
The only thing youve brought in response was this ring feat, what else is there? iron mans feat is highly questionable (And recalced got 7b), carol isn't 6b, the tesseracts ratings are questionable...Bring me another solid feat to support this one and Ill give up, we have two feats, neither of which are in question, one contradicts the other, thus I argue outlier.
 
Outlier feat as thor doesn't use this power to save his home....Just because? Yes really really. The problem is surtur was displayed as above post awakened thor, yet thor displays strength that should let him dominate surtur. Unless Im missing something here and iw thor is stronger then he was in the end of ragnarok.
 
1. Like I said 1 million times, The neutron feat is thor realizing his full strongest (he wasn't in this state and was weaker than in ragnarok)

2. Surtur was weakened by Hela, he wasn't at his full durability during the explosion
 
If thor is stronger then he needs a key seperating them,

When did hela weaken sutur and what proof do you have he could normally survive a 6c explosion?
 
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