The Hunter (Bloodborne) vs The Hunter (EtG)

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Yharnam is not our planet, no.


The fight takes place in central park

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

he has access to the lamps via SBA

What part of SBA teleports stuff to the battlefield unless standard equipment?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

He has access to lamps via SBA and Lamps are located all around the world as well as in alternate realities

 

[WeeklyBattles]

What part of SBA teleports stuff to the battlefield unless standard equipment?

When its a huge part of the Hunter's powerset, yes he has access to them

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Seriously, what part of SBA says that?

 

[Kaltias]

I'm pretty sure that this falls under "stuff that it's ignored to make the battle possible". Similarly to EtG Hunter being able to fight outside of the Gungeon, even if she canonically has zero ways to leave it

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

There is a difference between not being able to leave a place and being teleported to a lamp whenever one dies.

 

[Overlord775]

There is a difference between not being able to leave a place and being teleported to a lamp whenever one dies.

the Hunters needs the lamps to fight at the fullest of his ability, so he gets the lamps

 

[Kaltias]

I mean yeah. If you prefer it's like saying that EtG Hunter is BFRd into a place that she cannot escape after the first death.

The purpose of a vs thread is to see who is stronger. Not who is favored more by SBA

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The SBA itself references that if the terrain it takes place in gives too much of an advantages an adequate replacment can be added, but we in no way assume that buildings and constructions suddenly apear to give some powers to characters

 

[Kaltias]

If it's that big of a deal, make them fight in an empty boss room of the Gungeon with a lamp outside, this way both get their immortality and the thread can continue

 

[Schnee_One]

Inconclusive

Reasons above by Kal

 

[Kaltias]

So 4 for inconclusive I guess. Me, Overlord, Weekly and Gar

 

[PsychoWarper]

Inconclusive FRA

 

[Wokistan]

so what does this mean for the strongest characters thread, both share the spot?

 

[Schnee_One]

Both share the incon spot

Wasn't the another hunter tho?

 

[Overlord775]

bump

 

[Overlord775]

bump

 

[Overlord775]

bump hunter

 

[Overlord775]

great bumps

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

this is like when poeple figured out that Oryx isn't good for battles since he tends to go "**** you, i can't die" and just become stronger.

inconclusive FRA

 

[Overlord775]

bump

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Oof. Assuming each of all of their stuff (which pretty much goes against the idea of EtG, you have limited items), then yeah, Incon. They both fight forever since neither has a counter for that which keeps them in the fight (Time Manip, Resurrection, etc).

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I don't think we allow multiple equipments unless the can be naturarly equipped at the same time.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

EtG functions essentially under standard Roguelike rules. That said, our wiki allows the bending of such rules to ensure characters are at their strongest, so I'm unsure how this would work. If our rules didn't allow this, my vote goes to BB Hunter, albeit under immense difficulty. EtG Hunter would have a random assortment of their abilities gained from the Gungeon. Nothing guarantees they'd have even their top tier abilities.

Don't get me wrong, I'm much less knowledgeable on Gungeon (I've watched about 30 hours or so of stream footage but that's about it, never played). So I could be wrong. But their Time Manip (which is the main thing keeping them from getting torn down), that comes from a handful of items that aren't incredibly common. Even cloned bodies aren't a thing they always have. And finally, would SBA cause the Gungeon to simply appear in NYC? And would they have to battle through the Gungeon to get back, thus having completely new randomly selected equipment when/if they get back?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I mean, I assume it would be somewhere close to NY for afairness sake, but yes, they would need to battle their way through

 

[Overlord775]

@Bambu SBA: they are both at their best possible

so they are fighting inside the Gungeon, but there are Hunter Lamps spreaded trought all of it

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No.

They are fighting in central park.

By sba he is at his highest tier, thats it

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Considering a couple of staff members replied as well (just got back to this, didn't read through before), then I am voting Incon. They've stated that SBA ensures best possible condition, not just highest tier. Which means the only possible winner, I'd say, would be the Hunter, but it is unlikely- each time the Gungeoneer dies, they'd have to battle their way back through the Gungeon with each door closing unless they kill the other residents. The Hunter has no such limitations (doors closing).

Still. Gungeoneer with all equipment should make it incon.

 

[Wokistan]

The lamppost thing may be a game mechanic anyways. Lore wise, pretty sure nothing is stated about absolutely needing lampposts, but for gameplay purposes you can't just revive wherever you feel like it can you? They're like Dark Souls bonfires, where the Hollows will revive, time and time again, with or without a bonfire, they just kinda serve as a home to these Hollows, the last bastion of familiarity for their decaying bodies and minds. If you wanted to go to this route, the Hunter is BFRed to the gungeon by the gungeon as soon as the match starts.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I can't recall lamposts being discussed in game lore either, but that is probably why, yes. Otherwise the Hunter would simply dream and awaken wherever they please. Also, would we include the Gungeon's powers in this? We allow paradoxes, so it would likely only affect the denizen of the Gungeon (EtG Hunter) and not the Bloodborne Hunter. Otherwise it is a battle between two entities and one (Gungeon is a sentient thing, I thought?).

Regardless, if both have full access to their arsenals, it doesn't matter. They keep killing each other for eternity.

 

[Sayo_Yasuda]

Inconclusive for the reasons above.

 

[Wokistan]

This is unanimously inconclusive, and neither file is locked. I'll add this.