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Before I start, this was already discussed in a thread few years ago where most people already seemed to agree until the thread just kinda died off. But since wiki rules and opinions may change I'm making this a whole separate thread.
So what we currently use to scale Mori to 4-B is applying his 250,000x multiplier to his base form which we scale to 4-C by scaling him to Satan. This is flawed in the sense that Mori scales absurdly above the characters who perform the 4-C feats even without the multiplier (I go over this later in the post). The Satan fight gives us a quantification as to how much stronger he is.
So basically the premise is that Mori with a 250,000x amp one shot vaporizes over 2 quintillion phase 1 Satan clones. The strength of these clones depends on the distance from the original where even being in an entirely different dimension still allows the clone to temporarily access 100% of the originals power.
Base Satan currently scales to 1.5538649e+42 Joules - 4C star level. The difference between even baseline 4-C and 4-A is only around 3 quadrillion times, and if we were to actually multiply Satan's durability value by the amount of clones completely destroyed we would get around 3.1077298e+60 Joules, which is well into 4-A (still far from 3-C or even the EoS 4-A values)
Now to answer some potential counter points:
Now the Mori we are talking about scales not just to, but above an all out phase 3 Satan with a sun amp who has absorbed suns corona and used a 250,000x multiplier himself. And just to illustrate how big of an amp phase 2 and phase 3 are, Odin who almost got one shotted by Taejins recoiless and had his arm be completely shredded one shotted Taejin by just entering phase 2. So the scaling chain would be something like
Jeabongchim Mori > Sun amped Corona absorbed phase 3 Jeabongchim Satan > Sun amped phase 3 Jeabongchim Satan >>> Sun amped phase 2 Jeabongchim Satan >>>>>>>> Sun amped phase 2 Satan > phase 2 Satan >>> phase 1 Satan >/~ phase 1 suppressed Satan ~ Daewi = 4-C
So while the number does seem ridiculous at first look, it's actually reasonable if you look at the context it's presented.
Potentially supportive evidence:
In chapter 292 a significantly weaker Mori states that if he uses his power with a 190,000x multiplier the "stars can't take it". Using the average distance between stars, creating a shockwave that can destroy 2 or more stars should land him in the multi solar system range similarly to Saitamas old 4-A calc. The reason this is potentially supportive evidence supportive is that some translators seem to say it means stars while others say it's just a singular star. And while the word used means stars by itself, Korean is a language in which words can change in meaning depending on the context so using a machine translation like this can be flawed.
Conclusion:
Ragnarok Mori (and everyone who scales to him) should be upgraded to 4-A. Either to 2 quintillion times the 4-C calc (because that should be the minimum he should scale to given the feat), or "possibly 4-A" with baseline 4-A value (because uuhhh big number is big enough for an upgrade but too big to be taken at face value)
So what we currently use to scale Mori to 4-B is applying his 250,000x multiplier to his base form which we scale to 4-C by scaling him to Satan. This is flawed in the sense that Mori scales absurdly above the characters who perform the 4-C feats even without the multiplier (I go over this later in the post). The Satan fight gives us a quantification as to how much stronger he is.
So basically the premise is that Mori with a 250,000x amp one shot vaporizes over 2 quintillion phase 1 Satan clones. The strength of these clones depends on the distance from the original where even being in an entirely different dimension still allows the clone to temporarily access 100% of the originals power.
Base Satan currently scales to 1.5538649e+42 Joules - 4C star level. The difference between even baseline 4-C and 4-A is only around 3 quadrillion times, and if we were to actually multiply Satan's durability value by the amount of clones completely destroyed we would get around 3.1077298e+60 Joules, which is well into 4-A (still far from 3-C or even the EoS 4-A values)
Now to answer some potential counter points:
Not really. The only calc used here is the 4-C feat, for the rest we only use numbers we canonically got from the author and multiply them together. So it's closer to a multiplier. Unlike calc stacking, this simply applies a calced number to a canonical value.
Without much context maybe. But if we look at the in-universe scaling chain it does make sense. The 4-C feat is performed by Daewi and Mori Hui. Satan gets the 4-C scaling by fighting him in base with no further amps. It even seems like Satan is toying with Daewi, casually snapping his neck and looking away mid fight.
Now the Mori we are talking about scales not just to, but above an all out phase 3 Satan with a sun amp who has absorbed suns corona and used a 250,000x multiplier himself. And just to illustrate how big of an amp phase 2 and phase 3 are, Odin who almost got one shotted by Taejins recoiless and had his arm be completely shredded one shotted Taejin by just entering phase 2. So the scaling chain would be something like
Jeabongchim Mori > Sun amped Corona absorbed phase 3 Jeabongchim Satan > Sun amped phase 3 Jeabongchim Satan >>> Sun amped phase 2 Jeabongchim Satan >>>>>>>> Sun amped phase 2 Satan > phase 2 Satan >>> phase 1 Satan >/~ phase 1 suppressed Satan ~ Daewi = 4-C
So while the number does seem ridiculous at first look, it's actually reasonable if you look at the context it's presented.
No. Even if we were to apply the number as a multiplier to the 4-C feat, we would end up with a value 10000x below the current 4-A Mori dan value. And the feat currently used for that is a controlled explosion, not an all out DC attempt and the panel used for it is using a scan mid-explosion rather than the final size of it (since we don't really get a panel showing us the entire explosion size before it turns into a black hole). So if anything, this makes the later 4-A values more consistent.
Potentially supportive evidence:
In chapter 292 a significantly weaker Mori states that if he uses his power with a 190,000x multiplier the "stars can't take it". Using the average distance between stars, creating a shockwave that can destroy 2 or more stars should land him in the multi solar system range similarly to Saitamas old 4-A calc. The reason this is potentially supportive evidence supportive is that some translators seem to say it means stars while others say it's just a singular star. And while the word used means stars by itself, Korean is a language in which words can change in meaning depending on the context so using a machine translation like this can be flawed.
Conclusion:
Ragnarok Mori (and everyone who scales to him) should be upgraded to 4-A. Either to 2 quintillion times the 4-C calc (because that should be the minimum he should scale to given the feat), or "possibly 4-A" with baseline 4-A value (because uuhhh big number is big enough for an upgrade but too big to be taken at face value)
