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The Elder Scrolls
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@Ant
That seems fine.
Though, as before, I am questioning where people are getting this whole "Mundus is a multiverse" thing from, since it is explicitly a single plane, and the Dragon Breaks that split the timeline are phenomena that eventually patch themselves back into a single timeline.
That seems fine.
Though, as before, I am questioning where people are getting this whole "Mundus is a multiverse" thing from, since it is explicitly a single plane, and the Dragon Breaks that split the timeline are phenomena that eventually patch themselves back into a single timeline.
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I can in 10 mins when I get home and back on my computer.
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https://www.imperial-library.info/content/introduction-lore-elder-scrolls-online
It calls Mundus a multiverse. "Nirn has unmoored itself from the fabric of the multiverse"
Considering how
Oblivion is infinite. Called a multiverse
Aetherius is infinite. Called a multiverse.
Dragon break seems to imply Akatosh was divided by infinity
I think it's safe to assume Mundus has infinite parallels.
@Azzy that was one timeline that Akatosh somehow split into multiple versions of.
It calls Mundus a multiverse. "Nirn has unmoored itself from the fabric of the multiverse"
Considering how
Oblivion is infinite. Called a multiverse
Aetherius is infinite. Called a multiverse.
Dragon break seems to imply Akatosh was divided by infinity
I think it's safe to assume Mundus has infinite parallels.
@Azzy that was one timeline that Akatosh somehow split into multiple versions of.
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No, it does not call Mundus a multiverse. It literally just says that Nirn is unmoored from the fabric of the multiverse, which Mundus is only a part of.
The Dragon Break is a phenomenon that fixes itself. It is not the norm. Mundus is a single plane which occasionally splits its timeline, and then the splits reconverge. Nothing implies infinite timelines as an ever present thing in Mundus.
The Dragon Break is a phenomenon that fixes itself. It is not the norm. Mundus is a single plane which occasionally splits its timeline, and then the splits reconverge. Nothing implies infinite timelines as an ever present thing in Mundus.
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@Ant
No, the multiverse is still infinite. Mundus is just one plane that sometimes becomes several before becoming one, again.
No, the multiverse is still infinite. Mundus is just one plane that sometimes becomes several before becoming one, again.
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Okay. The issue is that the Aedra and Daedra are currently scaled from Akatosh supposedly being present across infinite universes via his dominion over time. Without that, we would have to scale them from their amount of realms.
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Isn't Lyg basically a parallel universe that can only be reached through 'non-cardinal directions' and 'moving at strange angles).
And then there is Shadow magic. Shadow magic works by manipulating parallel realities: "'Azra attempted to manipulate his own shadow to such an extent that he would meld all possible versions of himself, crossing over from a singular existence to all the existences in shadow."'
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Shadow_Magic
Shadow magic was explained in the elder scrolls shadowkey. It implies parallel realities separate from dragon breaks.
And then there is Shadow magic. Shadow magic works by manipulating parallel realities: "'Azra attempted to manipulate his own shadow to such an extent that he would meld all possible versions of himself, crossing over from a singular existence to all the existences in shadow."'
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Shadow_Magic
Shadow magic was explained in the elder scrolls shadowkey. It implies parallel realities separate from dragon breaks.
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Shadow worlds are not part of Mundus. They are their own realities created as reflections, and there are never implied to be an infinite amount of them. They essentially just become a connected part of the multiverse. This is of course only going by the little lore we are given on them, because nobody played Shadowkey, and their role in ESO is pretty minimal.
Akatosh is still 2-A, though. That part is unchanged.
Akatosh is still 2-A, though. That part is unchanged.
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Also, I can unlock pages, now.
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Oh they are very clearly created from Mundus, but this does not make them a part of Mundus. They are linked, but not a separate group of universes isolated from the larger multiverse.
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Okay here is the basic make up of Mundus: One normal planet, 8 plane(t)s and 2 moons that are actually planes/ pocket universes of infinite size and mass (that only appear as spheres as mortals are incapable of perceiving infinity) and the space between them... which might be Oblivion according to some people.
Mundus has "adjacent planes". Lyg is an alternate version of Nirn in such an adjacent plane, you can travel between these planes by moving at "strange angles" and in "non-cardinel" directions.
Shadow magic implies that parallel universes exist. But we know little about this subject. It's possible that Oblivion also has parallel version as it is said to manifest "all possibilities".
Whether this counts as a multiverse depends on the definition we use. Honestly, I've never understood how you can have more than one infinite multiverse anyway... even if Aetherius and Oblivion both have infinite realms, shouldn't they still be describable with a single infinite multiverse? That's how infinity works right?
Edit: Btw Godhead's attack potency should be removed, it just links to a fan theory concerning the Godhead. It has nothing to do with Bethesda at all.
Mundus has "adjacent planes". Lyg is an alternate version of Nirn in such an adjacent plane, you can travel between these planes by moving at "strange angles" and in "non-cardinel" directions.
Shadow magic implies that parallel universes exist. But we know little about this subject. It's possible that Oblivion also has parallel version as it is said to manifest "all possibilities".
Whether this counts as a multiverse depends on the definition we use. Honestly, I've never understood how you can have more than one infinite multiverse anyway... even if Aetherius and Oblivion both have infinite realms, shouldn't they still be describable with a single infinite multiverse? That's how infinity works right?
Edit: Btw Godhead's attack potency should be removed, it just links to a fan theory concerning the Godhead. It has nothing to do with Bethesda at all.
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Are you certain that this is just a fan theory?
http://tomorrowindtoday.com/a-model-of-the-godhead-and-its-contents-2/
If so, we should preferably adjust the page, and its explanations.
http://tomorrowindtoday.com/a-model-of-the-godhead-and-its-contents-2/
If so, we should preferably adjust the page, and its explanations.
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@Azazoth
Given more context:
"Unbeknownst to all but a few, Nirn has come unmoored from the fabric of the multiverse, as the mortal realm is drawn ever closer to Coldharbour, the twisted Oblivion realm of the Daedric Prince of domination and enslavement, Molag Bal"
The whole main story of TESO is based around the fact that Mannimarco through some ritual destroyed the protective barriers of Mundus, allowing Molag Bal to begin melding Nirn with his own realm. Nirn is drawn out of Mundus and merged into Coldharbour. This is exactly described as in the quote above.
If Nirn had become unmoored from the fabric of the whole ES verse, or even just unmoored from Oblivion-space, then Molag Bal would have not been able to absorb Nirn as it would have been out of his reach. As we already know, Coldharbour resides in Oblivion, not outside of Oblivion or outside of the ES verse. The only way this makes any sense is when we say that Mundus is the multiverse this quote refers to.
We already know Mundus has parallel four dimensional timelines through the existence of Dragonbreaks and Adjacent Planes. Some interpretations of Kalpas also support the idea that there are parallel timelines within Mundus, but the topic is pretty vague.
If you do not believe that Mundus is a multiverse, could you explain then where Nirn would have become unmoored from? Because Nirn always has, does currently, and likely always will reside in Mundus. To say that it has become unmoored from Oblivion (if you're assuming this is the multiverse mentioned in the quote instead) makes no sense as Molag Bal would not have been able to do anything with Nirn where it would be out of his reach.
Given more context:
"Unbeknownst to all but a few, Nirn has come unmoored from the fabric of the multiverse, as the mortal realm is drawn ever closer to Coldharbour, the twisted Oblivion realm of the Daedric Prince of domination and enslavement, Molag Bal"
The whole main story of TESO is based around the fact that Mannimarco through some ritual destroyed the protective barriers of Mundus, allowing Molag Bal to begin melding Nirn with his own realm. Nirn is drawn out of Mundus and merged into Coldharbour. This is exactly described as in the quote above.
If Nirn had become unmoored from the fabric of the whole ES verse, or even just unmoored from Oblivion-space, then Molag Bal would have not been able to absorb Nirn as it would have been out of his reach. As we already know, Coldharbour resides in Oblivion, not outside of Oblivion or outside of the ES verse. The only way this makes any sense is when we say that Mundus is the multiverse this quote refers to.
We already know Mundus has parallel four dimensional timelines through the existence of Dragonbreaks and Adjacent Planes. Some interpretations of Kalpas also support the idea that there are parallel timelines within Mundus, but the topic is pretty vague.
If you do not believe that Mundus is a multiverse, could you explain then where Nirn would have become unmoored from? Because Nirn always has, does currently, and likely always will reside in Mundus. To say that it has become unmoored from Oblivion (if you're assuming this is the multiverse mentioned in the quote instead) makes no sense as Molag Bal would not have been able to do anything with Nirn where it would be out of his reach.
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Clavicus Vile, Sheogorath, Sanguine, Boethiah, Trinimac/Malacath, Mephala, Hermaeus Mora, Meridia, Namira need immortality specification and other cleanups. (type 4 and 9)
Lorkhan needs his immortality specified. (type 4?)
Y'ffre needs a HEAVY cleanup
Baan Dar Immortality specify (he is immortal and considered a deity, should be type 4)
I will take care of adding abilities that are needed to Anui-El in a different revision thread.
Lorkhan needs his immortality specified. (type 4?)
Y'ffre needs a HEAVY cleanup
Baan Dar Immortality specify (he is immortal and considered a deity, should be type 4)
I will take care of adding abilities that are needed to Anui-El in a different revision thread.
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Hey Riingo, you still tidying up TES profiles?
If yes, you should probably remove this note from the profiles of the Daedric Princes:
"Note: Mehrunes Dagon is noted to be one of the eight more "prominent Daedra" and is directly compared to High Tier Princes such as Sheogorath and Malacath."
The source that it links has little to do with power and the word prominent is just used to refer to the Princes who interfere in mortal affairs the most, this is the reason Sotha Sil is meeting with them: to ask them to not answer the prayers of any random mortal for the immediate future.
If yes, you should probably remove this note from the profiles of the Daedric Princes:
"Note: Mehrunes Dagon is noted to be one of the eight more "prominent Daedra" and is directly compared to High Tier Princes such as Sheogorath and Malacath."
The source that it links has little to do with power and the word prominent is just used to refer to the Princes who interfere in mortal affairs the most, this is the reason Sotha Sil is meeting with them: to ask them to not answer the prayers of any random mortal for the immediate future.
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There's no 5-D space in TES. If a multiverse consists of infinite amount of universes, that's not 5-D. Every universe is 4-D and then you get an infinite amount of 4-D space. Someone has to be infinitely greater, not bigger, than 4-D space to be 5-D.Mora8 said:
The rest where you go into 6-D and 7-D is too much. 5-D might be accepted for the upper limit of TES like Sithis, but that's the upper limit
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