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Alvarez Empire Devil Slayer Gray vs Psuedo DxD Issei
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The Devil Slayer fights another Dragon: Gray vs Issei
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Hmm Gray since his ice can't be melted easily, issie is vulnerable to demon slayer magic, and gray can sense curse so he will start with idsm, and can match end who is above issie.
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Seeing as how Issei in his completed Balance Breaker destroyed a mountain with an unboosted Dragon Shot, he may have a good shot, but I'd say he'd have more of a chance in his DxD form.
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Pretty sure Gray one-shots. Ise is almost baseline in this form. Pseudo DxD is better, but it'd give him the AP advantage.
Though, didn't Ise endure attacks from Cao Cao's Longinus which is the strongest holy weapon in the verse? Oh, he also took attacks that are meant to slay devils from Dulio too.
Though, didn't Ise endure attacks from Cao Cao's Longinus which is the strongest holy weapon in the verse? Oh, he also took attacks that are meant to slay devils from Dulio too.
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I've haven't gotten very far in DxD(He fighting Vali where I'm at) So would Juggernaut Drive be a sufficient middle ground?Burning Full Fingers said:
EDIT: oof never mind checked out the Calc Issei scales, switching to Psuedo DxD
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did it actually slay a devil, and the difference is it was just a weapon,while he have a complete alive ds lolBurning Full Fingers said:
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CaoCao's Longinus is stated to be able to slay Gods and Buddhas along with Satans and Devils due to it's holy abilities. In DxD Verse, Holy Swords are stated to be able to cause lethal damage to Devils with just scratches and the Longinus is superior to Holy Swords in the Devil-killing department. So that's about how durable Issei is to devil-slaying things, and that's in Crimson Cardinal Promotion.
TBH, I don't recall "Devil Slaying Magic" actually doing anything to Devils other than harming them like any other old magic in FT-verse. Even then, Issei at this point is more dragon than he is Devil, considering his entire armour is dragonic and he can dragonify at will.
EDIT: Also, Dividing Wyvern Fairy. Issei can send several Wyvern controlled remotely that reflect attacks and Divide on the slightest contact. Gray's power would be divided into being no threat, even provided that he was a threat to Pseudo DxD in the first place. Reflect would also reflect anything that is actually a treat.
EDIT2: Ddraig's Flames in P-DxD These flames are basically Amaterasu from Naruto. They never extinguish until the target becomes nothing. Flames that can turn even gods and souls to ashes instantly. The only people immune to this flame, stated by Ddraig himself are Albion, Great Red and Ophis.
TBH, I don't recall "Devil Slaying Magic" actually doing anything to Devils other than harming them like any other old magic in FT-verse. Even then, Issei at this point is more dragon than he is Devil, considering his entire armour is dragonic and he can dragonify at will.
EDIT: Also, Dividing Wyvern Fairy. Issei can send several Wyvern controlled remotely that reflect attacks and Divide on the slightest contact. Gray's power would be divided into being no threat, even provided that he was a threat to Pseudo DxD in the first place. Reflect would also reflect anything that is actually a treat.
EDIT2: Ddraig's Flames in P-DxD These flames are basically Amaterasu from Naruto. They never extinguish until the target becomes nothing. Flames that can turn even gods and souls to ashes instantly. The only people immune to this flame, stated by Ddraig himself are Albion, Great Red and Ophis.
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Via statement issie and sairoag should be a planet to large planet lvl via rating games. So we cant use statement Issie is reborn as a demon, and he is both demon and dragon, DSM make gray more power and resistance against demonic curse/ attack, mardgeer wasn't able to absorb any of gray attack while he able to did it easily against, also gray is far more intelligent then issie, also its possible to fool him using some ice clone, and onec issie exhausted himself(if he used those pdxd form) he will become easy target of graySdanand said:
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@9TailAcno When are statements being used here? If we go by feats, Issei after having just acquired his Balance Breaker completely vaporized a mountain with a casual unboosted Dragon Shot, and Pseudo-DxD is so much stronger they are not even comparable.
Devil Slayer Magic won't do anything to increase Gray's power against Issei since his armor is made of dragon power, not demonic power, and even in the case that Gray's attacks could get through the Dragon God Armor, Issei's ability to dragonify his body would neutralize the damage affinity those attacks would otherwise have. And to get past that resistance you mention, he has Penetrate, which he would only possibly need in order to use Dragon Shots since they are demonic power-based, but all the other attacks are with Dragon Power, including his punches and Longinus Smasher, so Gray would not have resistance against them.
In terms of intelligence, Issei has shown to be remarkably witty when it comes to practical ways of combat, as it's the way in which he has defeated opponents such as Riser, Cao Cao, Euclid and Vidar. In fact, Cao Cao is most likely smarter than Gray as a strategy and skill-focused combatant and still got outplayed by Issei. It is highly unlikely Gray will last long enough to exhaust Issei too, considering his Pseudo-DxD lasts for 88 minutes. That's way longer than a normal battle would last.
And you ignored the immense advantage Issei's Wyvern are, being able to repeatedly Divide Gray's power until it becomes negligible and reflect his attacks, as well as Issei's own to make them more unpredictable. This is not even counting Ddraig's fire which Gray's ice has an affinity disadvantage toward.
Devil Slayer Magic won't do anything to increase Gray's power against Issei since his armor is made of dragon power, not demonic power, and even in the case that Gray's attacks could get through the Dragon God Armor, Issei's ability to dragonify his body would neutralize the damage affinity those attacks would otherwise have. And to get past that resistance you mention, he has Penetrate, which he would only possibly need in order to use Dragon Shots since they are demonic power-based, but all the other attacks are with Dragon Power, including his punches and Longinus Smasher, so Gray would not have resistance against them.
In terms of intelligence, Issei has shown to be remarkably witty when it comes to practical ways of combat, as it's the way in which he has defeated opponents such as Riser, Cao Cao, Euclid and Vidar. In fact, Cao Cao is most likely smarter than Gray as a strategy and skill-focused combatant and still got outplayed by Issei. It is highly unlikely Gray will last long enough to exhaust Issei too, considering his Pseudo-DxD lasts for 88 minutes. That's way longer than a normal battle would last.
And you ignored the immense advantage Issei's Wyvern are, being able to repeatedly Divide Gray's power until it becomes negligible and reflect his attacks, as well as Issei's own to make them more unpredictable. This is not even counting Ddraig's fire which Gray's ice has an affinity disadvantage toward.
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I hope you aren't comparing the hype statement about Sairaorg to holy weapons being able to slay devils. That's just a gigantic false equivalence. Demons are weak to holy and light based attacks / weapons. It's literally common in every fiction ever?
It's even shown and stated in Slash/Dog. David hit a devil once and she crumbled and vanished without a trace. The fact that Ise and Sairaorg can take attacks from such weapons only makes it impressive for them. No offence, but you can't deny canon facts because they don't suit you.
I hope you aren't comparing the hype statement about Sairaorg to holy weapons being able to slay devils. That's just a gigantic false equivalence. Demons are weak to holy and light based attacks / weapons. It's literally common in every fiction ever?
It's even shown and stated in Slash/Dog. David hit a devil once and she crumbled and vanished without a trace. The fact that Ise and Sairaorg can take attacks from such weapons only makes it impressive for them. No offence, but you can't deny canon facts because they don't suit you.
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Also, where was it stated that Scorching Flames destroy the soul? I've read up to Volume 24 and I don't remember seeing that.
If it's from Volume 25, I can add it to their pages if the relevant quote is provided.
If it's from Volume 25, I can add it to their pages if the relevant quote is provided.
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Upon actually checking it out, Scorching Flames has not actually been mentioned to have a soul-destroying property. Since Albion's poison has that characteristic and the wiki implied such, that's probably where the misunderstanding comes from.
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So I'll take it you votes for Issei Jester?
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I am going with Issei.
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Yeah, my vote's for Issei.
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[My poison is able to reduce all existences aside from inorganic objects. As long as it's a living being, its blood, bones, organs, and soul can be cut down bit by bit, so even for extraordinary beings, everything in their bodies can be 'reduced'.] (V21)
I was going to paste this, but I realized it's talking about Albion's poison. Going to be completely honest, I was just reading the soul-burning from the DxDWikia, which is... yeah.
However, [—[Blazing Inferno of Scorching Flames]. The ultimate flames which can incinerate anything. Once ignited, they will never go out. Even gods will be burnt to ashes within these flames. And the only one that it is ineffective against is Albion. …Well, if it was Great Red, or the Infinite Ophis, it might also be ineffective.] (V21) Still shows that the fact that even gods can be burnt to ashes and that there's no way Gray would be immune to this power even with his resistance. (Which is complete BS btw, because Gray showed us that he was resistant to curses and if you want to stretch it— you can argue that he is also resistant to demonic power. Sure. Even if you go by that fact, Ddraig's flames ARE NOT demonic power-based. It's a direct application of the Boosted Gear, which is not demonic, it's dragon-based.)
I was going to paste this, but I realized it's talking about Albion's poison. Going to be completely honest, I was just reading the soul-burning from the DxDWikia, which is... yeah.
However, [—[Blazing Inferno of Scorching Flames]. The ultimate flames which can incinerate anything. Once ignited, they will never go out. Even gods will be burnt to ashes within these flames. And the only one that it is ineffective against is Albion. …Well, if it was Great Red, or the Infinite Ophis, it might also be ineffective.] (V21) Still shows that the fact that even gods can be burnt to ashes and that there's no way Gray would be immune to this power even with his resistance. (Which is complete BS btw, because Gray showed us that he was resistant to curses and if you want to stretch it— you can argue that he is also resistant to demonic power. Sure. Even if you go by that fact, Ddraig's flames ARE NOT demonic power-based. It's a direct application of the Boosted Gear, which is not demonic, it's dragon-based.)
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Hmm, I've also been wondering why they say the flames can burn the soul. Oh, well.
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Ddraig Ultimate Flame it's basically durability negotiation tehnique just from it discribtion and it's very likely this flame could burn soul since Gods in DxD are very hard to kill to the point where if they not completle destroyed they could be ressurected by gathering a human faith (thats from Azazel words from Volume 21)
Since Ise starts in armor, Gray devil-slayer attacks would be not effective agains Ise.
Wyverns
Ddraig Ultimate Flame
Good bye Gray
Since Ise starts in armor, Gray devil-slayer attacks would be not effective agains Ise.
Wyverns
Ddraig Ultimate Flame
Good bye Gray
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It's not like the issue will become immune to it. While gray have the experience to fight fire user, also gray can freeze flame? And his ice is not normal ice either, it didn't get melted by Natsu dragon flameVergil Lucifer said:
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In short, we don't know what happens if d.ice and d.flame collide, also gray wins his most battle because of his intelligence, if he tricks issie to attack his clone and waste his Amaterasu flame then gray win because after using his flame issie temporarily lost his all power
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Freezing flames is nothing special. Kiba, Irina, and Dulio can do it. Such has been the case since as early as Volume 2. I might be missing someone else.
>and waste his Amaterasu flame
It can cover an entire island, and all of his moves have considerable AoE. Since there are no civilians around in a battle thread, there's no reason for Ise to hold back.
>temporarily lost his all power
Nah, he doesn't lose the transformation because of the flames. He loses it after a certain period of time because his body can't handle the strain of Dragon Deification.
>and waste his Amaterasu flame
It can cover an entire island, and all of his moves have considerable AoE. Since there are no civilians around in a battle thread, there's no reason for Ise to hold back.
>temporarily lost his all power
Nah, he doesn't lose the transformation because of the flames. He loses it after a certain period of time because his body can't handle the strain of Dragon Deification.
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"He loses it after a certain period of time because his body can't handle the strain of Dragon Deification." And even at that it just applies to True-DxD, while this comparison is using Pseudo-DxD.
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ey s0me0ne add this
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Oppai!
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Ok i added this, just call someone to close.
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