The Cursed Monsters | Garou vs Sukuna | 2-1-1

[Brogeefrong]

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Half Monster Garou is used and is Low 7-C (2.492 Kilotons)
15 Finger Sukuna in Megumi’s body is used and is Low 7-C (1.72 Kilotons)
Speed is equalized
Fight takes place at Shibuya
Profiles

Garou

Garou (ガロウ, Garō) is a former disciple of Bang and was considered a prodigy. But one day, he was kicked out from his dojo for going on a rampage once he got bored with everyone. He's one of the strongest characters in the series and plays a major role as the main villain in the Hero Hunt arc...

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Ryomen Sukuna

Ryomen Sukuna (両りょう面めん 宿すく儺な, Ryōmen Sukuna?) is a mighty sorcerer known as the King of Curses (呪のろいの王おう, Noroi no Ō?). He is one of the primary antagonists of Jujutsu Kaisen. According to a legend, during the Golden Age Of Jujutsu over a thousand years ago, Sukuna was an Imaginary Demon...

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[Oliver_de_jesus]

I thought this has already been done?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Who’s more skilled tho

 

[Phoenks]

Well, to start, Garou scales way way above the 2.49 Kiloton feat. Scaling chain here Ig:

2.49 Kilotons ~ HoE Genos < Deep Sea King <<< AC Genos <<< Post-G4 Genos < Post-Superfight Genos ~ Human Garou while poisoned and fatigued < Royal Ripper <<< Half-Monster Garou

Garou has way more martial arts utility and skill, being able to instant-replicate and master martial arts techniques and absorb them into his own style. He can predict future movements and actions, and has an exceptional battle instinct - he can react and predict things instinctively. He can also reflect attacks with WSRSF and strike opponents with air using WICF.

Of course the main issue here for Sukuna would be Garou's ability to evolve. Sukuna has faced an opponent like that before, In Mahoraga, and they were able to give him some trouble. Difference here is that Garou can go up multiple tiers in a single fight. His durability increased to High 7-A while fighting with Rover, so if the same happens here, Sukuna will need to use his hax in order to win the fight.

Honestly, I think Sukuna gets nearly one-shoted and shredded by this Garou, even pre-evolution, if he ever gets close to him. So I would give the win to Garou more times than not since this Sukuna does tend to fight in combat range.

Sukuna has good win conditions though. He could outrange and kill Garou will just his invisible slash techniques. And DE would delete him in an instant.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Wouldnt Sukuna's regeneration help him deal with any cqc issues?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Wouldnt Sukuna's regeneration help him deal with any cqc issues?

a bit until Garou tear his head apart

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

My question is how will Garou even be able to avoid Cleave and Dismantle? God forbid Sukuna busts out his Domain Expansion or the fire arrow attack.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

My question is how will Garou even be able to avoid Cleave and Dismantle? God forbid Sukuna busts out his Domain Expansion or the fire arrow attack.

If he had prior knowledge, perhaps he could do something like Maki who uses pressure, the position of the fingers and the movement of the air to guess where Sukuna is pointing, but he doesn't have it.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Does Sukuna's Soul Damage ignore dura or nah?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Does Sukuna's Soul Damage ignore dura or nah?

It seems to be more like if he hits you, even if you block it with your arms it would be a critical hit but not Dura Neg or one-shot.

 

[Brogeefrong]

a bit until Garou tear his head apart

Mid Regeneration can cover that

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Mid Regeneration can cover that

Weaknesses: Like all sorcerers, their control of Curse Energy comes from their gut[29] thus destroying their gut or brain[30] completely can stop them from using cursed energy and Reverse Cursed Technique. One can target the neck to stop application[31] of Reversed Cursed Technique from the neck down also.

 

[Phoenks]

Wouldnt Sukuna's regeneration help him deal with any cqc issues?

The person in this image is Royal Ripper, who had easily killed Human Garou, near the top of the scaling chain I provided in my last post. Base Half-Monster Garou here could one-shot him easily and his air currents could rip through his body.

With the substantial AP difference Garou has going into this via that scaling chain, regeneration of Sukuna's level, especially with the weaknesses of RCT, would not be sufficient.

My question is how will Garou even be able to avoid Cleave and Dismantle? God forbid Sukuna busts out his Domain Expansion or the fire arrow attack.

Those would be good win-conditions, well, aside from Fuga.

Fuga wouldn't work on Garou and risk getting him to jump to High 7-A like he did when Rover fired high-temperature energy blasts at him.

If Sukuna stays away from Garou and spams nothing but Cleave + Dismantle he could win that way, yeah.

Though his issue is that he always goes into CQC, where Garou will easily tear him to shreds.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Honestly, this could go either way, so I vote incon

 

[speedster352]

The person in this image is Royal Ripper, who had easily killed Human Garou, near the top of the scaling chain I provided in my last post. Base Half-Monster Garou here could one-shot him easily and his air currents could rip through his body.

With the substantial AP difference Garou has going into this via that scaling chain, regeneration of Sukuna's level, especially with the weaknesses of RCT, would not be sufficient.


Those would be good win-conditions, well, aside from Fuga.

Fuga wouldn't work on Garou and risk getting him to jump to High 7-A like he did when Rover fired high-temperature energy blasts at him.

If Sukuna stays away from Garou and spams nothing but Cleave + Dismantle he could win that way, yeah.

Though his issue is that he always goes into CQC, where Garou will easily tear him to shreds.

Can’t sukuna just use the dismantle net? He does use it often. Also since Garou has no resistance to curse energy things would get worse after a few attacks.

 

[Arkenis]

15 Finger Sukuna is used and is Low 7-C (2.95 Kilotons)

Please specify which vessel, Yuji or Megumi, it changes a lot.

 

[Phoenks]

Can’t sukuna just use the dismantle net? He does use it often. Also since Garou has no resistance to curse energy things would get worse after a few attacks.

I am not disagreeing that Sukuna has win-conditions. I do not think the match is a stomp.

I am saying that since Sukuna goes into CQC, he will be killed very quickly by Garou's strength and martial arts magic.

 

[speedster352]

I am not disagreeing that Sukuna has win-conditions. I do not think the match is a stomp.

I am saying that since Sukuna goes into CQC, he will be killed very quickly by Garou's strength and martial arts magic.

He always uses cleave and dismantle when in cqc Mahorga was getting slashed up even when fighting in cqc in the anime at least. In the manga the fight was like 2 seconds he used dismantle then used his domain.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Well, to start, Garou scales way way above the 2.49 Kiloton feat. Scaling chain here Ig:

2.49 Kilotons ~ HoE Genos < Deep Sea King <<< AC Genos <<< Post-G4 Genos < Post-Superfight Genos ~ Human Garou while poisoned and fatigued < Royal Ripper <<< Half-Monster Garou

2.49 Kilotons comes from Hydrated Deep Sea King scaling to the Sky King's feat.

Genos is 2.49 Kilotons from fighting Deep Sea King.

Yes, I have nothing else to say. Don't care for the battle in question, just got a little tingle when I read that since my inner nag was screaming at me to be annoying.

 

[Phoenks]

2.49 Kilotons comes from Hydrated Deep Sea King scaling to the Sky King's feat.

Genos is 2.49 Kilotons from fighting Deep Sea King.

Yes, I have nothing else to say. Don't care for the battle in question, just got a little tingle when I read that since my inner nag was screaming at me to be annoying.

Okay, that changes it to...

2.49 Kilotons = Deep Sea King <<< AC Genos <<< Post-G4 Genos < Post-Superfight Genos ~ Human Garou while poisoned and fatigued < Royal Ripper <<< Half-Monster Garou

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Dunno why Post-G4 has three "<" lad just said that his speed and power have been enhanced

 

[Dr._whiteee]

How does he avoid getting cleaved off the bat

 

[SchroKatze]

How does he avoid getting cleaved off the bat

Cleave isn't a one-shot, and requires to be in CQC. This key also lacks the world slash to actually one-shot. Garou dealing internal damage and blowing Sukuna's brain can deal with him.
RCT can't deal with with complete brain destruction, just a small part and its not perfect/can fail if done too much

 

[Brogeefrong]

bump

 

[ExSENNA]

It is said that Cleave can adjust to toughness of the target to cut them down, but can Sukuna adjust to this level of dura difference quick enough? Doubt he ever needed to adjust to this level of dura difference. Plus doesn't he need to be in CQC to use it at its most efficient?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

It is said that Cleave can adjust to toughness of the target to cut them down, but can Sukuna adjust to this level of dura difference quick enough? Doubt he ever needed to adjust to this level of dura difference.

Cleave adjustment appears to be automatic, just needs to be in CQC range. After all, it wouldn't make sense if it were like you say.

Plus doesn't he need to be in CQC to use it at its most efficient?

It's not necessary either, normal cuts still have enough power to be a danger to Garou.

 

[SchroKatze]

Cleave is limited in scope. It only means "I will put more cursed energy into it due to the target being tougher", and can't really do much more damage than his normal stuff. We see in the Gojo fight that it didn't really do more damage than dismantle while inside MS despite the whole "Cleave will adjust itself"

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Cleave is limited in scope. It only means "I will put more cursed energy into it due to the target being tougher", and can't really do much more damage than his normal stuff

Outside of his domain, Sukuna needs to touch the target in order to use Cleave, whose output depends on the opponent's durability

We see in the Gojo fight that it didn't really do more damage than dismantle while inside MS despite the whole "Cleave will adjust itself"

'Nuff said

That just means Gojo is insanely durable

 

[Arkenis]

2.49 Kilotons = Deep Sea King <<< AC Genos <<< Post-G4 Genos < Post-Superfight Genos ~ Human Garou while poisoned and fatigued < Royal Ripper <<< Half-Monster Garou

Garou might just rag doll him.

 

[Nierre]

following

 

[SchroKatze]

Yes, I know it adjusts itself, and that its melee range. Just saying it doesn't truly go much beyond his own capabilities in raw ap and wouldn't one-shot or cleave through something thats way beyond his league. Also, Garou's scaling chain does put him a fair bit above Sukuna.

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah Sukuna will need to make contact to deliver a fatal wound. Also ngl

• Regeneration (Low-Mid. Healed after being hacked and slashed by Royal Ripper. Rose to his feet after having his torso crushed. Regenerated a hole in his abdomen over an unknown period of time. Seemingly recovered from having his ribcage shattered)

Most of these don't seem like regeneration, just endurance and pain tolerance or healing for the hole one.

Is his page just outdated?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Is his page just outdated?

Only parts of it. The justification for reactive evolution in his first key is straight up just accelerated development

• Reactive Evolution (His power increases rapidly when fighting strong opponents)

 

[SchroKatze]

Also, whats saving Sukuna from Garou adapting to him and getting way stronger again? Since he gets stronger the more he fights, and he did adapt to resist psychic powers

 

[Arkenis]

Also, whats saving Sukuna from Garou adapting to him and getting way stronger again? Since he gets stronger the more he fights, and he did adapt to resist psychic powers

Would this adaptation be fast enough once domain comes out?

 

[SchroKatze]

At one point he will be too durable for Sukuna. Even for fuuga.

 

[Arkenis]

Okay I see. Sukuna won't open domain quick enough before Garou becomes mountain level? Are Overgrown Rovers energy blast hot enough to vaporize steel? Fuga would be far above this

 

[speedster352]

Okay I see. Sukuna won't open domain quick enough before Garou becomes mountain level? Are Overgrown Rovers energy blast hot enough to vaporize steel? Fuga would be far above this

Sukuna can use a net of dismantles like he used against mimiko, Mahorga and Yuji that would be wraps for Garou if not he just pops domain.

 

[Arkenis]

Sukuna can use a net of dismantles like he used against mimiko, Mahorga and Yuji that would be wraps for Garou if not he just pops domain.

Maybe. If Garou's got good senses he can dodge

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Maybe. If Garou's got good senses he can dodge

Before he became a half-monster, his senses were keen enough to identify a concealed flamethrower from a distance, track Golden Ball's hand movements in a dark alleyway, and evade and counter small projectiles in the darkness

That being said, the slashes are invisible and really fast. Even those who can sense Cursed Energy have a hard time evading them. Garou can't avoid them without aim-dodging if and when he realizes what Sukuna is doing