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Genuinely have no clue about Nasuverse, since I haven't played the VN or watched the anime, but would it even be the same case in this instance? Cardinality is mentioned in-verse.
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The Computer Gods upgrade (Ichiban Ushiro no Daimaou)
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Oh, sorry, will correct it.
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I think pretty credible, considering he's confirming things that have been written from the start.
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Wog scans can be used as long as they do not contradict the content of the novel, and as seen in the op, wog and novel completely merge and have the same meaning.
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wuhhh
Leading questions when battleboarding in mind
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Yeah, and quotes of him also not knowing about set theory are in the OP. This doesn't change the fact that he wrote about cardinality and that it was his intent. Also "I will leave it to the mathematicians" ayyy I guess we can use it. Nice.
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It is not the same event as in Nasu because here the issue is related to what the translation of the other sentence is according to a sentence. If there is a context starting with the set theory, if what is said in the continuation is drawn to 2 things, it would be the right thing to take the set theory. In Nasu, absolute infinite passes, which is not even in set theory, are separate things and actually distracts the subject.
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I'm not gonna contribute to anything to this thread, nor will vote to disagree as I don't even want to be associated to this whole charade
all I know is that y'all giving the author too much credits and he's probably tired at that point because he's still getting question TO THIS DAY
shame on you and shame on y'all
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I mean, it's pretty clear that the kanji used is cardinality. If he didn't even confirm that I wouldn't be making this CRT. The blog addresses this.Bros intent was something he didn't know cook
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Fair enough.
Yeah, though I'm not the one who asked about it, I'm just not letting things asked and answered go to waste.
Shame on the people who asked even more blatant powerscaling questions tbh. Don't see what's wrong with using things already answered though.
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Isn't there literally a rule to not use twitter statements with a question that had battleboarding in mind or to not pester authors on twitter about that. This is a pretty clear example and the twitter statements also shouldn't be used.
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What is written in the novel is not an incorrect definition of set theory, and even if we only take into account what is written in the novel, this will make 1A+, no matter how well he knows set theory or not, if the man talks about the infinity of cardinals extending to infinity, the novel is over. If you ask an author who writes that the universe can be destroyed how much energy it takes to destroy the universe, he will probably say he doesn't know. But we still take that statement as 3A. It is important what he wants to do and what he writes, not how much he knows. What he writes in the novel leads us to a 1A+ structure, and the rest of his set theory, which is confirmed to be set theory, does not bind me or you.Bros intent was something he didn't know cook
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Not really, since IIRC most of the questions are from someone who just wanted to know more about the verse - not battleboarding related.
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Maybe maybe maybe it can get High 1-A and above, reading both sides and I can see the point that both side are trying to make but ay, I still prefer to be neutral.
I would love to see DontTalk opinions on this.
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B-b-bu-t 2D upgrades make me horny...
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The author's words are not what gives the rating, it is the context in the novel that gives the rating, and the author's words are used to have an idea of where to hit the translation of the context in question. Even without the author's words, what is already written in the novel already gives us this rating.
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Aight' will count you as neutral.
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I don’t agree with that tbh. The novel doesn’t give us enough to make such a big conclusion and the author’s words are pointless considering he’s completely clueless on the matter.
I disagree for reasons provided by Shuradou
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I don't see why Twitter statements should even be used regardless of that. The author can just write something in that specific time with a certain intent whose to say when you ask him a question in another time frame he just provides you with an arbitrary intent that's distinct from his initial intent?
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Except literally everything he said about cardinality that is in the sandbox is also backed up by the in-verse statements. This isn't a one or even a two time thing.
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It literally does give evidence. We even specifically got 2 translators to confirm that the novel mentions cardinality.
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DT loves slobbering on akutos meat so doesnt count
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Uhhhhhh bro?DT loves slobbering on akutos meat so doesnt count
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i'm not exactly wrong though
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Are you saying the infinite cardinals don't give us 1A+?
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Not me being confused with where the word cardinal comes from.
You literally infer it leading to a 1-A+ structure using notions of set theory which were never referenced, as how you argue them to be Inverse. The only way to justify this is to show how it does without presupposing cardinals or set theory exists which is what you're doing.
Whether or not is an incorrect definition of set theory is practically irrelevant (shit I mean it actually is marvel uses Walmart version of set theory some incoherent nonsense but it's still a high tier via that here)
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Ugh uhm I'm pretty sure no? What was written was written if it was actually backed up by the in-verse statements I'm sure yall can get this upgrade accepted without the authors statements from Twitter right?
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"Not infinity in a sequence of numbers but infinity of infinite cardinals". To say that this sentence does not really make 1A+ or is not related to set theory?Not me being confused with where the word cardinal comes from.
You literally infer it leading to a 1-A+ structure using notions of set theory which were never referenced, as how you argue them to be Inverse. The only way to justify this is to show how it does without presupposing cardinals or set theory exists which is what you're doing.
Whether or not is an incorrect definition of set theory is practically irrelevant (shit I mean it actually is marvel uses Walmart version of set theory some incoherent nonsense but it's still a high tier via that here)
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I would love to know about these new in-verse statements that I have never seen in my lifetime
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Literally the translation of the sentence that means cardinality. I dunno how more blatant I could be about the translations of the LN scans?
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And thus, they can contemplate infinity. I don’t mean infinity in the numerical sense — they can contemplate infinitely dense infinities.
No infinite cardinals, that's inferred from author statements. Which is what's in question, I said using Twitter statements like that is unreliable because the author can switch his intent in different time frames arbitrarily.
It's bad enough yall try to infer set theory terms being equivocal to what he was intending to say even tho he says he didn't know what set theory was.
Then says he meant to use it in a set theoric sense.
No.
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Yeah actually A little support that the author's words are just set theory
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Already confirmed two who know japanese translate so ...
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Ah yes the passage of the story that mentions some infinity buzzwords and then immediately starts talking about time travel fuckery as if it's directly a conclusion derived from the former. I too remember the part of set theory which linked cardinals with time travel and last thursdayism.
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No its not, the author says he meant to use it in a set theoric manner even tho that same author said that he was oblivious to what set theory is and how it worked? This is the prime example of the author arbitrarily changing his intent in what he writes arbitrarily.
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Confirmed what? The author writing something he didn't know? Interesting.
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Ight this was funny lmao
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