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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"
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what did ultima mean by this ?
"which has The One Above All being described as a "pure unity" and yet being the top of a hierarchy that is also the bottom of yet another hierarchy"
is there someone above TOAA in marvel? I didn't understand this
"which has The One Above All being described as a "pure unity" and yet being the top of a hierarchy that is also the bottom of yet another hierarchy"
is there someone above TOAA in marvel? I didn't understand this
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TOAA while being the apex of Marvel Omniverse sits only at the Keter of Assiah in the greater Kabbalistic Four Worlds cosmology, rather than being the Ein Sof itself.
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the tier 0 thread really turning into lobotomy kaisen
Serlock_Holmes
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I will stay clear of tier 0 for the foreseeable future. Kinda prefer the current standard.
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Am I the only one who realizes that this comment by Ant is a joke?
EDIT: IT WASN'T!!!
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Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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In regards to the discussion about whether to use "Irrelevant", "Inapplicable", or "Unbound" for tier 0 statistics, I'd prefer if Unbound was used. Because it sounds Cooler, and this is objectively the only factor that matters.
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You answered as if it won’t be possible anymore (but if that’s not the case, apologies in advance).
But yea, from what I understand at the moment, it’ll still be possible, although they’ll need an amp from a higher reality/being to make it happen.
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I don't see half of the DT points working. Maybe with the R>F point which is the strongest point and the only one I might agree with. The rest seems easy to reply to and I'm pretty sure Ultima can.
IdiosyncraticLawyer
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This scan blatantly misinterprets how these concepts work and is thus unusable - a "math" outlier, if you will.
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Though I agree that Marvel isn't math-savvy. I swear Ultima used these scans during his proposal for upgrading the Marvel Cosmology.
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No, he brought them up solely to say that he wouldn't use them.
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Make sense since the scan didn't depict a lot of those concepts right. Though, this debate about tier 0 is honestly such a funny read.
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Really? Huh, don't remember that.
Now that Ultima's decided not to make Marvel Comics Low 1-A become 1-A, despite Universal Eternity viewing a High 1-B realm as nothing more than a dream and all the High 1-B stuff as a figment of his imagination, the invalidity of the above scan kills the idea of 1-A Universal abstracts in Marvel Comics.
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I just want to see where Enigma would scale after we saw the events where we saw the face of Godhead.
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Once all the reference pages get updated, we'll certainly have a number of new threads coming in.
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Dam really? What happened? Was there a violation of the new requirements or somethin?
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Probably just High 1-A. Multiple layers into High 1-A, probably, but that's it.
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Well, he says he's considering not doing it, my bad. Nothing for certain yet.
If he decides not to do it, I will, since the accepted cosmology page literally states that the abstracts view reality as a figment of their imagination, and Universal Eternity views the High 1-B cascade as a dream.
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I do believe Marvel gets 0 through the Divine Creator.
Rakih_Elyan
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Hell yeah.
Wukong with tier 0 hax.
Wukong with tier 0 hax.
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Follow up of this question: Say Character B had an unreal version/form of the energy instead. Would absorption, then, be allowed?
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I agree. The rule of cool is all that matters. The staff should consider that name over the other names.
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question：What will be gained from the following description?
Prototype
"Everything has its prototype, at least the existence that can be called is like this."The previously unfriendly, but now very friendly Metamorphosis Domain Transcender spoke so politely, proving that Su Zhou' s years of exploration and search have been effective: "Songs have prototypes, drawings have prototypes, mathematics has prototypes, order has prototypes... Everything, even life and story, has prototypes."
[The great beings... that is, the prototypes, their names are the meanings of the prototypes they choose]
[原型]
[一切都有着原型，至少能被称呼的存在就是如此]
那位当初很不友好，现在很友好的象形之域超越者如此道，祂的谈吐相当客气，证明苏昼这么多年时间的探索和寻觅有所成效:[歌曲有着原型，图画有着原型，数学有着原型，秩序有着原型.....任何事物，甚至包括生命与故事，也都有着原型]
[伟大存在.....也就是原型们，祂们的称谓，就是他们选择的原型之意义]
Do the unattainable supreme gods and ultimate origins in mythology also have a prototype
If there really exists a prototype for the supreme meanings of religion, mythology, fantasy, and philosophy, such as the "Dao" of the day of the strong character, the "Brahma" without beginning or end, the omniscient and omnipotent "Lord", and the absolute existence of “The one. ..."
Can such a prototype represent 'true correctness'
Including all our correctness, even further correctness, can fulfill our wishes and make our love more vibrant
神话中那些不可企及的至高神，终极的本源，是否也有一个[原型]?]
[强字之日的“道”、无始无终的梵”、全知全能的“主”、绝对存在的“太....这些宗教、神话、幻想、哲学上的至高意义如果真的存在一个[原型]的话]
[那样的原型，是否能代表‘真正的正确'? ]
[包涵我们所有的正确，甚至更进一步的正确，能够达成我们的愿望，令我们的爱更加发扬的正确.....
"Everything has its prototype, at least the existence that can be called is like this."The previously unfriendly, but now very friendly Metamorphosis Domain Transcender spoke so politely, proving that Su Zhou' s years of exploration and search have been effective: "Songs have prototypes, drawings have prototypes, mathematics has prototypes, order has prototypes... Everything, even life and story, has prototypes."
[The great beings... that is, the prototypes, their names are the meanings of the prototypes they choose]
[原型]
[一切都有着原型，至少能被称呼的存在就是如此]
那位当初很不友好，现在很友好的象形之域超越者如此道，祂的谈吐相当客气，证明苏昼这么多年时间的探索和寻觅有所成效:[歌曲有着原型，图画有着原型，数学有着原型，秩序有着原型.....任何事物，甚至包括生命与故事，也都有着原型]
[伟大存在.....也就是原型们，祂们的称谓，就是他们选择的原型之意义]
Do the unattainable supreme gods and ultimate origins in mythology also have a prototype
If there really exists a prototype for the supreme meanings of religion, mythology, fantasy, and philosophy, such as the "Dao" of the day of the strong character, the "Brahma" without beginning or end, the omniscient and omnipotent "Lord", and the absolute existence of “The one. ..."
Can such a prototype represent 'true correctness'
Including all our correctness, even further correctness, can fulfill our wishes and make our love more vibrant
神话中那些不可企及的至高神，终极的本源，是否也有一个[原型]?]
[强字之日的“道”、无始无终的梵”、全知全能的“主”、绝对存在的“太....这些宗教、神话、幻想、哲学上的至高意义如果真的存在一个[原型]的话]
[那样的原型，是否能代表‘真正的正确'? ]
[包涵我们所有的正确，甚至更进一步的正确，能够达成我们的愿望，令我们的爱更加发扬的正确.....
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I love how Ultima's revision would make all those verses made solely for powerscaling and for being strong obsolete.
Y'all know about those verses that always try to be as strong as possible? The ones made by powerscalers? Even if they weren't OCs or were relevant enough to be in this wiki, they would still not be Tier 0.
I am talking about stuff like Auren the absolute and his verse, Celestial child and his verse, Suggsverse, Alphatale, that Tier 0 Saitama fan comic, etc
Kinda funny that all their efforts were for naught.
Y'all know about those verses that always try to be as strong as possible? The ones made by powerscalers? Even if they weren't OCs or were relevant enough to be in this wiki, they would still not be Tier 0.
I am talking about stuff like Auren the absolute and his verse, Celestial child and his verse, Suggsverse, Alphatale, that Tier 0 Saitama fan comic, etc
Kinda funny that all their efforts were for naught.
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Vietthai96
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To be fair, it isn't because after the change, those "fan" will move from using math shit to using philosophy shit
Suggverse on the other hand, is, well, kinda funny that he just copied all the tier 0 description from other verses, paste into his verse and make his character beyond those "description". I remember these are The Elder Scrolls' ANU tier 0 description somewhere in his story and following after is his character stand beyond those thing
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what tier would the goddess of manifold and downstreamers be with the new system? shts kinda weird
high 1-A+ for GOM?
high 1-A+ for GOM?
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What does any of this mean???? I don't get it, it is all confusing babble. Am I stupid? What little I could understand is that the schizo author said that his OC can affect real life, which is always an indication of powerscaling infection.Meanwhile "You Can Forget the Words":
Aye you're right.
LMAOOOOO, NGL, I kinda want to see a site seriously powerscale his crap.
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God or the One being the most true, real, basic, and fundamental "I AM" essentially makes it tier 0 and God being beyond any attempts to capture it with words which is what being beyond [interpretation] basically is.
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It appears to have just demonstrated a "tier 0 character" zapping some tier-whatever OC back to their plane of existence
But since the author is suggesting this is somehow reality, which it obviously isn't, I doubt we could even index this in FC/OC.
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Suggsverse was explicitly banned from having profiles on the wiki a long time ago. It might be interesting to discuss what the verse would look like if it hypothetically existed on the wiki, but we are quite certain it never will.
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It can always work in a sandbox just for fun.
MrKerf
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I meant in general nobody is bothered enough, not here specifically. Even outside VsBattles there aren’t many attempts after all.
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From what I can understand, apophatic theology if proven for a character is Tier 0 yeah?
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It seems this one survives Ultima's revisions. Sad, I hope I don't see him spammed in Tiktok powerscaling debates.
FC/OC is very strict on the Tier 1+ characters they allow. I am pretty certain you have to explain how dimensional tiering babble and powerscaling babble benefits and is necessary for your story with philosophy and stuff like that, which most OCs seem to fail because they just make their verse as strong as possible for no reason.It appears to have just demonstrated a "tier 0 character" zapping some tier-whatever OC back to their plane of existence
But since the author is suggesting this is somehow reality, which it obviously isn't, I doubt we could even index this in FC/OC.
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I also find this scan from You Can Forget the Words funny
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More like apophatic theology if the author never contradicts themselves by accident. I doubt you can ever prove negation.
The author has to explain why incorporating a Carpenter most of us happen to know very crucial to their story development then. Just name the verse Byzantine's Heavenly Comedy or smtg, maybe that'd help.
Flowman777
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From what I've heard, one of the main problems with tiering Suggsverse is numerous contradictions within itself. So it might be unfeasible to tier it rather than fun.
Anyways, I'm curious to see how the Tier 0 thread will turn out.
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