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i just completely forgot there are Low 1-B back then, but whatever, i even forgot there are Abstract Existence Type 3 back then lol
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I like it though I am too sleepy to understand what high 1-A means,I mean personally I'd revise the entirety of Tier 1 if I had made the tiering system...
Low 1-C would be strictly 5-D (Just the amount of 5-D characters honestly warrants this in my opinion. It's the catch-all tier for god beings that transcend their realities)
1-C would be 6-D to 9-D (Usually pretty rare dimensionality-wise)
High 1-C would be 10-D to 26-D (A lot of quantum mechanic cosmologies fall within this range. It's a pretty big gap but it makes sense imo. Maybe you could split it somehow, but I still think this makes more sense than cutting off at 11-D)
1-B would be 26-D+
High 1-B would be Aleph-0-D
High 1-B+ would be Aleph-1-D up to any whatever the **** cardinality of dimensions (The amount of verses that actually make a distinction between infinite dimensions and higher-cardinalities of dimensions is probably incredibly limited, so it's probably fair to merge this all together)
Low 1-A would be a collection of all dimensions and space and math whatever you want to call it. Type IV Multiverse. Absolute Infinity. Von Neumann Universe.
After that I guess it's just the ultima stuff.
1-A is existential/ontological/qualitative superiority (relative to the concept of space) and hierarchies of said existential superiority (An example being chains of reality-fiction differences, like in Umineko or the SCP Foundation).
High 1-A is a form of superiority that is ontologically beyond even existential superiorities in the same way that form of superiority is superior to space. Every "layer" of High 1-A would then be another superior system of transcendence. With each one having its own, potentially endless hierarchy of layers as well.
0 is, of course, beyond all systems, superiorities, qualities, quantities, etc. Basically logical omnipotence or negative theology, I guess...
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DT is literally a supporter, its going into tier 1 without any second thoughts
To dumb it down a lot.I like it though I am too sleepy to understand what high 1-A means,
Not really, if not many verses actually utilised "quantum mechanic cosmologies", we wouldn't really need a term for it. Hell, idk how many verses which land in those tiers now actually do because of quantum mechanics.I mean, I just don't think the concept of 1-B could be merged with something else lol. To merge finite dimensions with infinite dimensions, or to merge quantum mechanic cosmologies with every higher finite amount of dimensions seems pretty strange.
Do you think so?
Griess constructed M as the automorphism group of the Griess algebra, a 196,884-dimensional commutative nonassociative algebra over the real numbers
It was a tier for encompassing or lying just outside of quantum mechanic cosmologies.Well, I mean, in that case, not only is "12-D" not popular, but it having a tier by itself doesn't really make much sense to me. What was the basis for it in the first place?
Veldanava and Arcues I'm sure, but what make MGK relevant? Just asking, I'm just confused.Tensura fans are already reacting anyways ranting about how this Veldanava person is 1-A
Arcues too
And MGK
I don't know for any of them, just saying their fans are ranting about itVeldanava and Arcues I'm sure, but what make MGK relevant? Just asking, I'm just confused.
Well I'll be damned, that was beautiful.I mean personally I'd revise the entirety of Tier 1 if I had made the tiering system...
Low 1-C would be strictly 5-D (Just the amount of 5-D characters honestly warrants this in my opinion. It's the catch-all tier for god beings that transcend their realities)
1-C would be 6-D to 9-D (Usually pretty rare dimensionality-wise)
High 1-C would be 10-D to 26-D (A lot of quantum mechanic cosmologies fall within this range. It's a pretty big gap but it makes sense imo. Maybe you could split it somehow, but I still think this makes more sense than cutting off at 11-D)
1-B would be 26-D+
High 1-B would be Aleph-0-D
High 1-B+ would be Aleph-1-D up to any whatever the **** cardinality of dimensions (The amount of verses that actually make a distinction between infinite dimensions and higher-cardinalities of dimensions is probably incredibly limited, so it's probably fair to merge this all together)
Low 1-A would be a collection of all dimensions and space and math whatever you want to call it. Type IV Multiverse. Absolute Infinity. Von Neumann Universe.
After that I guess it's just the ultima stuff.
1-A is existential/ontological/qualitative superiority (relative to the concept of space) and hierarchies of said existential superiority (An example being chains of reality-fiction differences, like in Umineko or the SCP Foundation).
High 1-A is a form of superiority that is ontologically beyond even existential superiorities in the same way that form of superiority is superior to space. Every "layer" of High 1-A would then be another superior system of transcendence. With each one having its own, potentially endless hierarchy of layers as well.
0 is, of course, beyond all systems, superiorities, qualities, quantities, etc. Basically logical omnipotence or negative theology, I guess...
Well, fingers crossed then!I don't know for any of them, just saying their fans are ranting about it
As for me i don't even understand how this tier 1 shenanigans is going to be applied so am chill
But is a based abominationLow 1-B is an abomination.
However, in the third book, even though Gao Chuan achieved great existence, he is still not the strongestI think Gao Chuan is tier 0 :V
An abomination is still an abomination.But is a based abomination
Who's the strongest? Joshua?However, in the third book, even though Gao Chuan achieved great existence, he is still not the strongest
Although Joshua has two great beings, I remember he is still not the strongestWho's the strongest? Joshua?
Then who?Although Joshua has two great beings, I remember he is still not the strongest
The strongest existence of greatness is dusk, as I remember it.Then who?
No it won't.I'm curious about Cthulhu Mythos, whether this system revision will affect it
Cthulhu mythos will remain as it is.
To my understanding BDE 2 will qualify whoever has it to low 1 A with Ultima’s proposal, so probably(talking about CM only)Is tier 2 with BDE2 getting affected?
Does the Cthulhu mythos have R>f? If so, can its R>f meet the requirements for the revision discussed now?Cthulhu mythos will remain as it is.
I do not think Cthulhu Mythos has R>F, but it certainly has ontological/existential superiority, which is qualitative superiority. Even Ultimate Gods and Hypnos couldn't be more blatantly superior to space and time at every level. Lovecraft even uses terms like "Archetypal Infinity" which is very clearly just his absolute interpretation of "infinity" as a concept. And things surpass that.Does the Cthulhu mythos have R>f? If so, can its R>f meet the requirements for the revision discussed now?
Bro, most of them have already been bombed not just they.Veldanava and Arcues I'm sure, but what make MGK relevant? Just asking, I'm just confused.
It's just a vague way to describe transcendence not of a dimensional nature (like instead of 4-D 5-D etc it'd just be higher planes of existence with various superiorities like being above concepts of lower plane or viewing lower plane as fiction)That reminds me that, ontological superiority isn't really defined or given requirements on the wiki.
No.It's just a vague way to describe transcendence not of a dimensional nature (like instead of 4-D 5-D etc it'd just be higher planes of existence with various superiorities like being above concepts of lower plane or viewing lower plane as fiction)
Terrible definition. By this argument, it would supersede omnipotence, since omnipotence is easy to define.I think it's pretty self-explanatory. It refers to when something is intrinsically, fundamentally superior in nature to something else. Rather than it being some kind of quantifiable or easily definable gap in nature, the nature itself is simply superior to the nature of something else.
So if you are ontologically superior to space, it means your nature is fundamentally superior to space.
Yeah, "easily definable" doesn't make much sense there. You could take that out. I meant it in a different way, but I think I got the main point across.Terrible definition. By this argument, it would supersede omnipotence, since omnipotence is easy to define.
Not everyone is omnipotent nor can we quantify omnipotence simply because we define it as one thing or another. So it doesn't really go against what was being said. The definition is sublime but it's scratching the surface of what beings are in nature to be superior to something.Terrible definition. By this argument, it would supersede omnipotence, since omnipotence is easy to define.
That'd be funny but SMT prolly gets R>F via Ishtar perceiving the entire narrative of Catherine as a TV show and Adminstrators perceiving the entire reality as a computer program soand then I'll finally downgrade Nasuverse, SMT, Marvel, DMC, GoW, SCP, DC again but even harder, Castlevania, and Spawn.
Pretty sure Ultima went over why this isn't enough for his version of R>F.That'd be funny but SMT prolly gets R>F via Ishtar perceiving the entire narrative of Catherine as a TV show and Adminstrators perceiving the entire reality as a computer program so
At the very least it seems like CM will be High 1-A
Dreamlands already surpass every extension of space-time, which would be 1-A. There's an endless hierarchy of them which are separated by qualitative superiorities, so 1-A+ if that's still a thing.
The Ultimate Void is unreachable by the Dreamlands and seems to also be fundamentally superior in nature due to being outside of the laws and physics present in the dreams. I'd guess that's High 1-A.
After that things get confusing.
Pretty sure Ultima went over why this isn't enough for his version of R>F.
YepBefore writing this summary, I took the time to do some digging and found that some characters are currently accepted as holding a Reality-Fiction Transcendence over a reality due to some pieces of evidence that are rather underwhelming. These profiles, for instance, treat purely visual depictions of characters viewing reality as TV channels, or a film, as gameboards, as evidence of R>F.
As I've said before, I more or less completely reject the usage of such things as primary evidence for a Reality-Fiction Transcendence. Those would be relegated to being supplementary evidence, at best, but alone would never suffice. And as has already been said, I likewise have very little sympathy for gag feats and the like.
I'd more precisely define an ontological superiority as being just "Your state of existence is so superior that you can't really be expressed as the sum of anything lesser than yourself."I think it's pretty self-explanatory. It refers to when something is intrinsically, fundamentally superior in nature to something else. Rather than it being some kind of quantifiableor easily definablegap in nature, the nature itself is simply superior to the nature of something else.
So if you are ontologically superior to space, it means your nature is fundamentally superior to space.
I stopped paying attention to the thread after Ultima and DTDT started throwing bibles at one another. Mind referring me to the specific comment?At the very least it seems like CM will be High 1-A
Dreamlands already surpass every extension of space-time, which would be 1-A. There's an endless hierarchy of them which are separated by qualitative superiorities, so 1-A+ if that's still a thing.
The Ultimate Void is unreachable by the Dreamlands and seems to also be fundamentally superior in nature due to being outside of the laws and physics present in the dreams. I'd guess that's High 1-A.
After that things get confusing.
Pretty sure Ultima went over why this isn't enough for his version of R>F.
MGQ man already did that for you above.I stopped paying attention to the thread after Ultima and DTDT started throwing bibles at one another. Mind referring me to the specific comment?