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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"
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I will feed your balls to my puppy.
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So... uhh... who gonna do it
I don't mind doing it myself
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Ultima, quick question:
So say a “realer” character temporarily sacrificed their transcendent superiority over a “fiction” character via some construct or device or somethin’ else (reason: to interact with them). Say they’re AP, however, was unchanged. Would that make sense or nah?
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it wouldnt
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I mean it wouldn't be the first Japanese verse I know that does this or something like it, both Yu-Gi-Oh! and Digimon do something similar if not the same
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You'd be picking your poison either way since either interpretation goes against certain statements I just stick to whatever causes the least contradictions
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@Ultima_Reality Another inquiry I have is where things of Modal Realism/EMR levels in magnitude would rank?
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nvm logical omnipotence already was explained to be Tier 0 already lol
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In SMT, and by extension Persona, is the Collective Unconscious kinda like Truth from FMA/FMAB? If the All is One and One is All understanding is similar to I am thou, thou art I given the Mental Nature of the verse...Would that grant Megami Tensei tier 0 status under the understanding of Monad?
My own understanding of the concept is quite limited, but a lot of elements from Megami Tensei draw from real world religions and philosophies. Couldn’t help but notice similarities between ideas like Kabbalah, Sacred Geometry, Holographic Principle, and Information Paradox. Ideas like Axiom and Monad also pop up under these searches.
Honestly, I don’t have anything conclusive myself just vague connections that might be pointing to some understood idea, whether that’s the axiom or something greater. Especially when the games throw around ideas similar to things like together we are greater than the sum of our parts and usually the greatest enemy is something humanity created itself. Almost as if all this is happening in the “mind” of one entity fighting against itself or talking to itself? Humanity (me) has the potential to surpass myself (axiom)?
But yeah?
My own understanding of the concept is quite limited, but a lot of elements from Megami Tensei draw from real world religions and philosophies. Couldn’t help but notice similarities between ideas like Kabbalah, Sacred Geometry, Holographic Principle, and Information Paradox. Ideas like Axiom and Monad also pop up under these searches.
Honestly, I don’t have anything conclusive myself just vague connections that might be pointing to some understood idea, whether that’s the axiom or something greater. Especially when the games throw around ideas similar to things like together we are greater than the sum of our parts and usually the greatest enemy is something humanity created itself. Almost as if all this is happening in the “mind” of one entity fighting against itself or talking to itself? Humanity (me) has the potential to surpass myself (axiom)?
But yeah?
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Under the current interpretation of the verse by VSBW probably not unless they actually will argue Nirvana being above above laws of logic which should theoretically be tier 0 if logical omnipotence qualifies for Tier 0 which is supported by the novels
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Which novels?
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Quantum Devil Saga Vol. 5 and also supported by Last Bible as its a world stripped of any sense of individual identity and distinction between anything hence wouldn't abide by two-valued logic either
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You’re saying these are potential pieces of evidence for Tier 0 IF “logical omnipotence” is accepted as a valid pathway for Tier 0 status?
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Yeah. Logical Omnipotence is the ability to do anything logically possible. Logical possibilities function under the laws of thought so if someone>laws of thought they'd be by extension above logical omnipotence
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Wow. Guess I’m patiently waiting for MT to finally earn their Tier 0 status.
What are the biggest barriers to this conclusion, besides this thread’s topic currently for us commoners?
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(they wont)
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They probably wont upgrade it to Tier 0. I used to talk to Milly Rocking Bandit on discord and they never really presented anything that qualifies for Tier 0 despite claiming that VSBW has scans that nobody in the comm does so unless they put the money where their mouths are at and come out with scans that will flip the meta on it's head its not happening based on the currently public evidence. Although VSBW seems to be taking notes from Psbattles's tiering systems and SMT there is rated above the baseline of what boundless in vsbw would be
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All manifested gods like YHVH and Brahman are more or less false gods the only true one would be the axiom
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ill get drowned by deagonx for wanking that touhou victim verse
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wow das so original and funny bro
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he's a little special don't go too hard on him
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If he is the person I think he is he put like the blue channel from backrooms at extended modal realism level, the blank at totality of everything conceivable/indescribability due to self-transcendence and the conceptual sea/pillars at above all attributes
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backrooms >>> 1-A fodders
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You and I both know that SMT ***** on backrooms on psbattles especially with the upcoming upgrade
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Here I am, hoping for my boi raidou to get juiced up.
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honestly idk i was playing around im not familiarw ith the standards
i didnt even know theres an upgrade do yuall have a disc server send
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Even if SMT gets upgraded to Tier 0 I doubt anyone outside of Hashino's MCs would get it since upgrading anyone outside of top 3 in the verse to that level is way too controversial
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There is a dead and unused discord server. We mainly just communicate through dms on discord or the site's discussion tab. We're planning on upgrading 2 maybe 4 characters to High 1-T+ at a bare minimum and maybe 1 to tier 0
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can i add u on dsicord
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archetype_chaos
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I wonder where Homestuck would scale with this new system actually. I've made jokes about High 1-A Homestuck, but now I wonder if that's actually possible still.
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There is a discussion to be had about platonism in general tbf
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Only 1 character can scale to tier 0 if it does qualify. Having more than 1 being in tier 0 in a single verse is already a contradiction. Unless it's their Avatar, then it's impossible for more than 1 character to scale to tier 0 under new standards.
And I doubt SMT qualifies anyways.
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