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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

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The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
Considering the “There cannot be more than one Tier 0 except under specific circumstances” rule, Universe Prime is probably going to get axed to High 1-A / 1-A
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??? No, it will not. Universe Prime is the very apex of the SCP cosmology and nothing else in the setting is comparable to it, so it'll be the only Tier 0.
 
Does Universe Prime have a page on this wiki? I looked at the category page for tier 0 characters and couldn't find it.
 
Saw someone talking about TD and how it alone would grant 1-A. Is this accurate? And would it vary between 1, 2, and 3?
 
wwereymy235 said:
Saw someone talking about TD and how it alone would grant 1-A. Is this accurate? And would it vary between 1, 2, and 3?
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Ultima_Reality said:
Outerverse level: Characters whose superiority over lesser realms is qualitative, rather than quantitative. This is to say that their transcendence over lower realms hinges on the very quality of their existence as opposed to mathematical quantities, and as such is completely beyond any and all extensions of the latter. For example, characters to whom lower worlds are literal unreality/fiction, or characters who exceed the necessity of physical size and dimensionality entirely.

This tier can be divided in "layers." For example, a character who sees some dimensioned world as fictional would be considered to be at the "baseline" of this tier. A character who sees that entity as fiction, then, would be a single level above baseline, and so on and so forth. A character who stands infinitely-many layers above the baseline is to receive a "+" modifier next to their tier.
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In short no for type 1,yes for 2 and 3. Actually I'm not sure.
 
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Blunt_Claw said:
Does Universe Prime have a page on this wiki? I looked at the category page for tier 0 characters and couldn't find it.
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Nobody's bothered to make a wiki page for it yet.
Iamunanimousinthat said:
I wonder if the machine thay dr. Swan uses to propel him through the higher layers will count as a disqualification.
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AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Considering based on what Ultima said, one can't become a tier 0, yeah whatever that machine does would get disqualified
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That's not being considered for tier 0.
 
wwereymy235 said:
I read most of what he said and it has to be beyond of what we currently have as Transduality. That was for tier 0 though so I'm not sure how it would work for 1-A.
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Yeah tier 0 requires way more than TD. I edited my post to quote Ultima's description of 1-A instead of tier 0 so read through it and come to your own conclusion or ask Ultima.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Considering it has several tier 0s, yeah it would be.
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If they're asking about the character... I don't know if it would be downgraded from 0.

True Form SRE has quite a bit of negative theology, even relative to strings of all possible characters within every possible story.

To the point that even declaring anything about it, completely misses the point of what it is and fails to define it. It's state can't even be represented by a negation of all properties and qualities, else it would "come into existence" and thus not be itself.

In that sense, I think it fills the role of Ultima's Tier 0 "Characters who are completely beyond both quantity, quality and meta-quality. In other words, their superiority over lesser things derives from a total lack of any qualities"

It's probably going to remain 0, if I'm to guess.

It may even be the best example of what a Tier 0 is, if I'm understanding correctly.

SRE as a story also has forms of Qualitative superiority even beyond cardinal numbers. Things like the Giant Corpora could exceed conceivable scale even relative to a multiverse of large cardinals, and essentially transcend "size." And then going on to interact with the "real world."

And that's just one of the endless strings of text in one of the endless amounts of stories SRE contains.

There's also layers of "Trans-Transcendence," which probably qualifies for High 1-A by itself lol.

Verse is still going to be cracked as all hell.
 
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Phoenks said:
If they're asking about the character... I don't know if it would be downgraded from 0.

True Form SRE has quite a bit of negative theology, even relative to strings of all possible characters within every possible story.

To the point that even declaring anything about it, completely misses the point of what it is and fails to define it. It's state can't even be represented by a negation of all properties and qualities, else it would "come into existence" and thus not be itself.

In that sense, I think it fills the role of Ultima's Tier 0 "Characters who are completely beyond both quantity, quality and meta-quality. In other words, their superiority over lesser things derives from a total lack of any qualities"

It's probably going to remain 0, if I'm to guess.

It may even be the best example of what a Tier 0 is, if I'm understanding correctly.

SRE as a story also has forms of Qualitative superiority even beyond cardinal numbers. Things like the Giant Corpora could exceed conceivable scale even relative to a multiverse of large cardinals, and essentially transcend "size." And then going on to interact with the "real world."

And that's just one of the endless strings of text in one of the endless amounts of stories SRE contains.

There's also layers of "Trans-Transcendence," which probably qualifies for High 1-A by itself lol.

Verse is still going to be cracked as all hell.
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Oh I have no idea about SRE the character, I thought they were referring to the verse itself which would have a few downgrades
 
wwereymy235 said:
Light and Darkness = Tier 1-A = Soloing your verse easy!
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1-A Wiz pog?
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So anyone got candidates for Ultima's tier 0
I got a few but most of them fail one requirement or the other
Other than Unsong's Atzmus I guess
 
AlexZiggy said:
So anyone got candidates for Ultima's tier 0
I got a few but most of them fail one requirement or the other
Other than Unsong's Atzmus I guess
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Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara said:
One thing I'm particularly curious about is whether or not cosmology wiping feats would be considered anti-feats. A character who simply exits their reality and starts fucking around in higher layers a la Bugs Bunny wouldn't qualify based on what I've been hearing, but does that extend to characters who have enough range and power to destroy everything in one go? What about for characters who don't necessarily occupy the higher reality, but were shown to have created everything (including the higher reality) at the beginning of existence... and what about those who don't have those feats, but scale to those who do?

This extends to things like concept manipulation, as there may be cases where characters from lower realities can manipulate abstractions that make up and govern reality on all layers. Would this also be an anti-feat?
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I'm currently working on counterarguments in preparation for the oncoming storm. There's some space-time stuff in there that I think might qualify it even still, like The Animator in the higher layer not being affected by time completely stopping in the cartoon world and the computer crash, and all of the Pinky and the Brain multiverse/timelines stuff. Problem is, I'm not exactly the smartest when it comes to these, so it's going to ultimately come down to throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks. If I'm going down, I'm going down fighting.
 
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