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The Chosen One vs Mareey Sue

Shadowbokunohero I wouldn't say that. Rey's lightsaber skills are basic at best even with her training and she is barely a match for Ezra but she's still skilled enough to put a good fight and is above them in terms of Force powers. Classic example of Unskilled but Strong (if you allow me to refer to TV Tropes). To summurize things, in terms of lightsaber skills, almost all Inquisitors can take her and defeat her but i think she can take and defeat them with the Force.
 
Rey is a level inquisitor, the only reason she has beaten Kylo is because he did not fight seriously and other external factors.

Although Rey has a bad reputation for being too OP, she really isn't that strong.
 
Rey defeated Kylo in their first fight but he defeated her in their second duel. She only "won" because he was distracted by Leia's death and he clearly had no difficulties fighting her (and he's himself weaker than many other characters). So yeah, it's the opposite of being too OP (although again she's a case of Unskilled but Strong, she's really powerful but has low lightsaber skills). Anyway, i agree. Anakin is much more skilled and powerful than she is and by far.
 
Because it's a good way to criticize the character. Not that Rey is an awful one but she has more than enough flaws to be criticized even without this.

Yes. Of course he is superior.
 
Camilopezo said:
Kylo had internal bleeding when he lost, Why people choose to ignore that.?
Kylo >> Rey
Because prior to that, he beat a much more combat trained Finn, even if you argue that it's a Lightsaber, he still should have far better training than some lonely woman on a desert planet.
 
To summurize things about Kylo:

1. He was heavily harmed (remember that Chewie's gun sends his targets flying when they're shot most of the time and yet he managed to tank that...sort of) .

2.He was extremely disturbed by killing his own father

3. He hadn't finished his training yet

4. Finn had a very lucky shot, especially considering he probably never hold a sword-like weapon before.

Also he easily defeats her in Episode IX (and gives us one of the only good scenes in the movie) and is only defeated at the end because of Leia (who apparently gathered her last stengths to say goodbuy...ok). Take note that none of this still excuse the fact that his lightsaber style is amateur in IX (seriously, he looks like he almost never fought before).
 
Kylo got hit by a Bowcaster while distracted, which is an extremely powerful weapon if hit directly, and was bleeding heavily through the entire fight.

He was clearly not anywhere near peak condition. Even after force pushing Rey and fighting Finn, he still dominated Rey before she used the little knowledge of the force she had to overcome what little he had left.

And as Arkham said, Kylo would've easily defeated her in Episode IX

Point is, Rey really just can't touch Kylo Ren. Untrained or trained, the difference was only really closed in a straight fight because Kylo was either injured or distracted enough.

Meanwhile, Anakin is repeatedly stated to be incredibly skilled, slaughted many Jedi with little to no effort, defeated Count Dooku in the end (who is on the same skill caliber with a lightsaber as Windu), and fought on even ground with Obi-Wan Kenobi, who outdid Darth Maul when enraged and was able to disarm General Grievous.

The different is polarising. Even if Rey was more powerful, Anakin is so much more skilled than Rey could ever hope to be by episode IX
 
Anakin fra.

Seriously the difference in skill and experience is huge. Anakin became one the best swordsman the Jedi Order had before its fall with more than a decade of experience putting it into practice and getting better.
 
ah well this won't get added as i think it was pre-forum move

anyways the count looks like this

Rey:0

Anakin: 20
 
Good actor who was given bad lines and likely direction (Anakin) FRA
 
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