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The characters scaled from Spider-Man need to have their statistics revised

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Ant also the Scarlet bolt damaged Wonder Man and D-Bolts/Black bolts damaging the Thing is classic Marvel inconsistency.
 
The dimensional transportation bolts are supposed to be yellow. If the destructive bolts are not displayed as black or red, and it is not explicitly spelled out what is intended, we cannot reliably scale from them. Sorry, but that is final. I would appreciate if you find more reliable feats instead.
 
Bump, so far there hasn't been anything to substantiate low 7-C for spiderman, I don't know about others but I don't see this changing anytime soon and I believe it is time to apply the downgrades.
 
Yes, but somebody needs to write a list of reliable calculated feats that we can scale our current Low 7-C, 8-A, and 9-A Marvel Comics characters from. After that we can go ahead.

Also, let's please try to stay focused on this objective without derailment this time around.
 
I have asked Everlasting for his thoughts, and he thinks the 8-A ratings are good. It's true that Deadpool's is more so a Regenerationn feat rather than a durability feat. However, I was told this calc is still legit. Captain American's shield was indeed the one that withstood most of the explosions impact, but Captain American was still legit punching at comparable force to repel the energy of the blast.
 
9-A feats all come from Punisher (A total of 5) and 1 feat from Daredevil. However they'll all get a upgrade based on much higher feats, 2 of which are already accepted, another two of which are said to be fine by 2 calc group member separately and the rest I'm still waiting for a good time to ask. There's also feats that can't be calculated, but are clearly hilariously higher than 9-A that they should be supporting feats for a higher tier.
 
Captain America has an Adamantium/'''Vibranium''' alloy shield. It is at least as hard as Adamantium and also absorbs the energy used against it. It is very unreliable to scale him from anything mostly blocks by the shield.
 
@Huesito88

I would appreciate if you ask our calc group members to evaluate the remaining calculations.

I would also appreciate if you write a list of the already accepted calculation results, and which characters they are for.
 
Feats list
Black Widow bomb causes a explosion which is High 8-C+ which Shield Agents tanked at point blank range and no sold them twice and beats one of them up in hand to hand combat (Accepted)
Punisher sets off a wire bomb which causes a big fireball (City Block level, Ugarik said it was fine to use the fireball formula and the scaling was good for this)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/File:C3D13222-12BD-4E3A-A239-C6A721292E4D.jpeg

Daredevil tanks a demonic beam aimed at him that hits him directly that causes a giant explosion and he was fine (City Block level+, Crimson said the scaling of the explosion was fine)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/File:5063C622-62F2-4283-820A-F14DD216595D.jpeg

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Punisher's throwable gernade creates a crater that was vaporized (City Block level+) (Accepted)
 
Huesito88 said:
Electro has two feats that are Low 7-C - 7-C, but apparently he can't be scaled to to Spiderman.
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Why? Hasn't he constantly survived being blasted by his electricity?
 
We already know that Captain America's Shield is made of Adamantium and Vibranium and thus has Solar System level durability. And it wasn't so much him scaling from the shield absorbing the impact, but Everlasting implied that he was still punching at Multi-City Block Class striking strength to repel the explosion. It's true the shield repealed most of the heat/radiation, but Captain American would still have to be capable of generating some degree of force. Otherwise, the shield would have been pushed back into him or he would have at least been launched. But he was still standing still and managed to completely repel the explosion by physically pushing the shield at comparable force.

Just speaking for ever, I'm fine if that feat is considered unreliable.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
We already know that Captain America's Shield is made of Adamantium and thus has Solar System level durability. And it wasn't so much him scaling from the shield absorbing the impact, but Everlasting implied that he was still punching at Multi-City Block Class striking strength to repel the explosion. It's true the shield repealed most of the heat/radiation, but Captain American would still have to be capable of generating some degree of force. Otherwise, the shield would have been pushed back into him or he would have at least been launched. But he was still standing still and managed to completely repel the explosion by physically pushing the shield at comparable force.

Just speaking for ever, I'm fine if that feat is considered unreliable.
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Correction, its made of vibranium and another unknown metal alloy.
 
Again, let's please try to stay focused on the objective here.

Anyway, Vibranium doesn't follow real world laws of physics, as it supposedly absorbs, but really nullifies, virtually any force and energy used against it. That is how Captain America can repeatedly block blows from the Hulk without getting splattered against the ground.
 
I see, that does make sense then. In that case, those who scale from Captain America should preferably fine some different feats; I know he's much stronger than Punisher but significantly weaker than Spider-Man. Spider-Man still has this feat calculated at 8.554 tons; which would be Large Building level+ and High 8-C+

And I'm not sure; where those other calcs big explosions?
 
Also, based on Huesito's accepted calculations, should we make the 9-A and 8-A Marvel Comics characters 8-B+ instead, with the Low 7-C characters rescaled to 8-A due to being considerably above them, except for Luke Cage, and similarly powerful characters, such as The Rhino and Sandma, who can be 7-C instead? We need some calc group members to verify the Luke Cage calculation first though.
 
@Medeus

I technically think that 8-B+ seems like considerably too high outliers for Daredevil the Punisher, and possibly Captain America, and that High 8-C+ seems more reasonable for Spider-Man level characters, so I am open for your solution.
 
It looks like Punisher's 8-B calc came from a grenade, I wouldn't quite scale it to his durability; just his attack potency with weapons. The Black Widow calculation that Huesito linked looks more legit, but as with other big explosion calcs, it does need inverse square law taken into account.
 
Inverse Law doesn't take into affect because Black Window throw the bomb at the shield agent in his face if you want I tired use 10 cm, but the calculater broke apparently it stops working after 50 cm and Daredevil got hit directly by a beam that caused said explosion.
 
I would still much prefer to scale Spider-Man and characters of his level to High 8-C+, and find less outlier-ish feats to scale Daredevil, the Punisher, and Captain America from.

Luke Cage is currently far more powerful than Spider-Man, as are the Rhino and Sandman, but due to Marvel being the king of inconsistent nonsense powerscaling, Spider-Man can still fight and defeat the others at times.
 
It ain't just Daredevil or Punisher there's others Moon Knight tanking and damaging a person that can pulverize the top of a big hospital tower which could be mid end High 8-C - to low end 8-B (but we never see how much exactly) no this wasn't full moon, Bullseye tanking a explosion that's 20 city blocks wide from it's center point from a distance inverse applies on this one, or Punisher destroying a a building containing a lab, a casino, and brotheral, with one C-4, etc (there's more characters and other feats, I can keep naming)
 
Spider-Man being low into Tier 8 with some of his consistent rogues being Tier 7 seems like an insane flaw.

While maybe not as strong as them, Spider-Man has consistently proven himself capable of battling them and tanking hits from them every other Friday. So either scale Spider-Man below his stronger rogues, make him a Stone Wall, or downgrade them all, because the gap between them isn't that large.
 
I think just "At least 8-A" is reasonable?
 
@Promestein, the validity of some of the 8-A feats done by Captain America and Deadpool are being questioned as well. But I do agree that Spider-Man should preferably not be that much weaker than Venom or Rhino.
 
Alright. 8-C was what we had before (or High 8-C), so that's reasonable there. And even if Rhino and Sandman are stronger than Spider-Man, they're his villains and he fights them more often than anyone else. Their other, higher feats are irrelevant; you can be stronger than someone while in the same tier.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
@Promestein, the validity of some of the 8-A feats done by Captain America and Deadpool are being questioned as well. But I do agree that Spider-Man should preferably not be that much weaker than Venom or Rhino.
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Archangel currently has a 8-A feat listed in his profile funny enough just no one noticed it, and Cable has a 8-A already accepted I can give another 8-A feat for Cable too, and other stuff I have.
 
I don't see one on Archangel's profile, but Cable's might be more legit.
 
Doc Ock has a 498 Ton Durability Feat for his arms, and Spider-Man broke through an upgraded version that was reinforced with Carbonadium. He'd probably still be 8-A via that and a few other 8-A feats if they're valid.
 
It is it's just not linked with it's really life counter part (a real world calc) aka someone unintentionally put it in there and didn't know it was 8-A .
 
ShakeResounding said:
Doc Ock has a 498 Ton Durability Feat for his arms, and Spider-Man broke through an upgraded version that was reinforced with Carbonadium. He'd probably still be 8-A via that and a few other 8-A feats if they're valid.
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There's a flaw in Doc Oct feat I don't think the person took into account with how long Doc Oct's arms were when he used it to wrap it around himself from top to bottom.
 
Which could make the results higher I believe, someone needs to calculate how long a arm needs to be to be able completely wrap around a person from top to bottom with no spaces in between.
 
It'd also need to be put into a blog, since I know a few people were iffy on just linking the Narutoforums calc
 
Okay, so is High 8-C+ acceptable for Spider-Man and characters of his level, if we give Sandman and Rhino the same tier, or possibly 8-B due to High 8-C+ being close to the upper border of the preceding tier?
 
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