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The characters scaled from Spider-Man need to have their statistics revised

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Peter "Quicksilver" Maximoff said:
Didn't his Iron-Spider suite contend with Iron Man? I think it was in the OG Civil War storyline.
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Yeah, that too.

I'm unsure how that'd effect his tiering with the Iron Spider, if at all, if it isn't seen as an outlier.
 
Plus it doesn't look like he's in the epicenter of the blast and just at the tail end of it meaning he'd only scale to a percent of it.

Plus the small amount of impact he did take looks like it did more damage than it does in most fights, I don't think it should be taken as a regular level durability feat
 
Yeah, that feat isn't quite concrete like some of the other explosion durability feats.
 
Good point.
 
Huesito88 said:
Actually what's wrong with this feat Kepekley calculated a while back for the god dang Batman? Also the building was extremely damaged from the explosion, so using our standard 20 psi should be fine. No inverse even as Kepekley explained.

(29.75)^3*((27136*1.37895 + 8649)^(1/2)/13568 - 93/13568)^2

2.11614 Tons of TNT or Large Building level

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/DC:_Batman_survives_an_explosio
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1. Is Batman 9-A ish AP and 8-C dura now? Or is there any hint he attacks as hard as he can tank?

2. What is the newest speed benchmark? I may do one tonight.
 
Let's focus on the Marvel characters please. The attack potencies for the DC ones have already been dealt with.
 
AguilaR101

That is correct yes. The blast only hit the wall of the building at the same time bats did meaning he only took the tail end of the explosion.
 
Antvasima said:
Let's focus on the Marvel characters please. The attack potencies for the DC ones have already been dealt with.
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^
 
Hasn't Spider-Man gone toe to toe and stalemated Luke Cage before. Not to mention he's one shoted people that have given Luke Cage a bit of a hard time like Tombstone for example. Tombstone has survived buildings falling on him, big gas explosions visible a couple blocks away along with tanking a rocket explosion and falling several stories all in succession. In a later issue Tombstone even one shots deadpool very casually (the same Deadpool with consistent multi city block level durability). And later even tanks a helicopter flying at him.

Plus when dock ock was in Peter's body he accidentally ripped scorpion's jaw off with a single non full powered punch. The same scorpion who fell like 7 miles or so and made a considerable size crater and laughed it off too.

Plus Peter has fought against wolverine on multiple occasions. 9/10 Spider-Man usually wins or just has the upper hand throughout the whole fight. So to put Spider-Man at the same level cap, Deadpool, and wolverine were or are right now is a very unreasonable lowball imo.
 
Tombstone was initially just supposedly an unenhanced human. However, after being powered-up, he was considerably stronger than Spider-Man.

Wolverine is also considerably more dangerous than Spider-Man.
 
Not really. During Spectacular Spider-Man 204-206 he KOs him. https://m.imgur.com/a/dV68F

Here he one-shots an even more powerful Tombstone https://m.imgur.com/a/G2s92

Here he One shots scorpion who previously fell 7 'miles to the earth after being punched by Captain Marvel although she was holding back. https://m.imgur.com/a/POZEw

In these two panels he is doing pretty well against Venom https://m.imgur.com/a/1AIcC

https://m.imgur.com/a/yw5Pu

And in here he punches the metal door in Silk's bunker sometime during the original sin event. We later find out that Ezikiel built that same bunker to take a nuclear explosion because the dock ock in that world set off nukes and the bunker was intact I believe.

https://m.imgur.com/a/thWr5Sz

https://***************.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-2014/Issue-13?id=6344
 
Spidey was at best comparable to Cage back when Cage was significantly weaker. Years down the line and Cage is so much stronger than Spidey now that he's been seen casually one shotting guys like Venom https://i.imgur.com/arcNYIp.jpg

Cage is so much stronger in fact, he once casually one shot the Rhino like it was nothing https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149643/3950607-2132790-019.jpg

And Rhino is significantly above Spidey, to the point that he actually terrifies him https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/145849/3957862-466678-rhino1.jpg https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/145849/3957870-1405068589243.jpg

The difference between Spidey and Venom is 2x at least. The difference between Venom and Rhino is not even 2x and probably significantly higher, but even assuming the difference between the two or even between Rhino and Cage is only 2x, that's still a 8x difference between Cage and Spidey. Even assuming Cage is 3,235 Tons, that'd still leave Spidey at 404 Tons. Still 8-A, but only 8-A. Again, the fact that Cage all but died to that Nuke feat puts a hard limit on the rest of the Street Tiers considering he's well above all of them.

For the record, Tombstone is nowhere near Cage

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111158717/5459577-cage vs ts 1.jpg

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111158717/5459578-cage vs ts 2.jpg

https://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111158717/5459579-cage vs ts 3.jpg

https://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111158717/5459580-cage vs ts 4.jpg

Scaling Spidey off of the current 8-A's like Wolverine is a weak argument since their legitimacy is still being discussed.

"Spidey one shot Scorpion who survived a long fall"

Aside from that feat being unimpressive to say the least, evidently Spidey can't seem to do much damage to him outside of punching his jaw, which is signifcantly less durable than his exoskeleton
 
Antvasima said:
Wolverine is also considerably more dangerous than Spider-Man.
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Just because Wolverine is more dangerous it doesn't necessarely mean he is physically stronger than Spider-Man.

Wolverine is far more violent, short tempert and more inclined to kill than Spider-Man.

The same could be say with the Punisher, but we all know that Spider-Man is still much stronger than him.
 
I agree Spidey is significantly stronger than Wolvie, but justifying his 8-A rank by scaling him from Wolvie seems weak when Wolvie's rank is still under scrutiny. Wolvie gets his rank based on being launched over great distances, majority of which can be attributed to his Adamantium Skeleton and is most likely way above his striking strength considering he was knocked out both times.
 
Wolverine should still scale to Captain America and Deadpool, who had plenty of 8-A feats.
 
Cap has one that is currently the most under scrutiny due to how little of the explosion can actually be scaled to him. The only legit ones are Deadpools which are tantamount to gag feats considering how wildly inconsistant his durability is; Truly the Lobo of Marvel of you will.
 
SuperAPM said:
Spidey was at best comparable to Cage back when Cage was significantly weaker. Years down the line and Cage is so much stronger than Spidey now that he's been seen casually one shotting guys like Venom https://i.imgur.com/arcNYIp.jpg

Cage is so much stronger in fact, he once casually one shot the Rhino like it was nothing https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149643/3950607-2132790-019.jpg

And Rhino is significantly above Spidey, to the point that he actually terrifies him https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/145849/3957862-466678-rhino1.jpg https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/145849/3957870-1405068589243.jpg

The difference between Spidey and Venom is 2x at least. The difference between Venom and Rhino is not even 2x and probably significantly higher, but even assuming the difference between the two or even between Rhino and Cage is only 2x, that's still a 8x difference between Cage and Spidey. Even assuming Cage is 3,235 Tons, that'd still leave Spidey at 404 Tons. Still 8-A, but only 8-A. Again, the fact that Cage all but died to that Nuke feat puts a hard limit on the rest of the Street Tiers considering he's well above all of them.

For the record, Tombstone is nowhere near Cage

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111158717/5459577-cage vs ts 1.jpg

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111158717/5459578-cage vs ts 2.jpg

https://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111158717/5459579-cage vs ts 3.jpg

https://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111158717/5459580-cage vs ts 4.jpg

Scaling Spidey off of the current 8-A's like Wolverine is a weak argument since their legitimacy is still being discussed.

"Spidey one shot Scorpion who survived a long fall"

Aside from that feat being unimpressive to say the least, evidently Spidey can't seem to do much damage to him outside of punching his jaw, which is signifcantly less durable than his exoskeleton
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How is it that Luke Cage has like 2 instances of beating Spider-Man level villains and that's considered consistent and acceptable but Spider-Man has a ton of moments where he scales higher and that's considered a highball, wank, inconsistent and so on? A bit of a double standard when it comes to power scaling characters if you ask me. I'm not saying we should put Peter above Luke Cage. I'm just pointing out that I think is a little sus that people are willing to give Cage so much leverage. Guess what guy? Marvel loves dicking Spider-Man villains! Remember that time Jessica Jones one shoted Scorpion? Totally valid! Make her stronger than Spider-Man. Remember that time Iron Fist said he would straight up loose to Peter? Nope not consistent. Peter beating the shit out of venom? Nope not consistent Venom is 2.3x stronger than Spider-Man, OULIER! Luke Cage beats Rhino and Venom? Totally valid.

If we're gonna treat one character one way we should treats the others too. Again, Luke Cage has two instances of beating Spider-Man level threat and making him stronger than Spider-Man is like me pointing out that Spider-Man has like 10 feats of him beating Iron Man and Iron Man villains, so do we put in the iron Man page "albeit weaker than Spider-Man"

It's annoying how people actually lowball Spider-Man because other bon related characters fight his villain. It's not his fault marvel loves to use his villains a ton for street level heroes. Hell by that logic I guess Thor would one shot Hulk who struggles against Abomination because Thor one shoted abomination that one time. In fact let's put Spider-Man below even Cap, wolverine and Deadpool too. Rhino lost to Deadpool and we all know Spider-Man NEVER beat Rhino so there it is. Luke Cage surviving a nuke (barely) put him a town level. Spider-Man fighting tri sentinel? Highball, put him below everyone. Who cares about PIS when it comes to other characters.
 
Spider-Man has had thousands of appearances and a few hundred writers over the years, which, in combination with that Marvel is the king of PIS, significantly increases the number of moments that are extremely inconsistent with his general portrayal.

As such, we should preferably scale from his own feats and those of characters that are generally considered comparable. Scaling him from Iron Man or even Firelord is not at all reasonable.
 
Anyway, Wolverine somehow has far higher resistance to blunt impacts due to his skeleton, yes.
 
Spider-Man also does have more raw power than Wolverine, but most writers would not let him stand a chance in a real fight without extra equipment.
 
Yes most Comic characters have wildly inconsistant power scaling, typically what happens in a long running franchise heralded by multiple writers. Cage is no different in this regard:

https://imgur.com/a/pbEmK https://imgur.com/a/WuCGa https://i.imgur.com/rf5ocgS.png https://imgur.com/a/Kt5Mw

Fact remains Cage is still most consistantly portrayed as significantly stronger than both Spidey and his cronies

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/11352/810635-vsironclad1b2fg.jpg

https://imgur.com/a/uFma8 https://i.imgur.com/mwqC0MJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/g1KsD3P.png?1 https://i.imgur.com/nOs9DMK.png

https://i.imgur.com/R3mBvFK.png

"Spider-Man fighting tri sentinel?"

This guy, yes? https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rdcX4JAz...1WKwNXAbwiWIfv-z2R34ywCHMYCw/s1600/RCO010.jpg

That fight literally depicts Spidey as being nothing more than an insect (arachnid, whatever) https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4BSqje6J...nEPaENg3r7JU-CU49BTXfQCHMYCw/s1600/RCO011.jpg

Having to dodge all his attacks lest he be turned into mush https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-psVtQo4d...87fvdaZgldL_UFoQVaougACHMYCw/s1600/RCO018.jpg

Only doing superficial damage to a small part of his face (which in itself is probably PIS) https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-an6yTxCu...9wY8WIv5ykBIpi1T_a9jZgCHMYCw/s1600/RCO021.jpg

And only taking it out by fudging its wiring from the inside https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XMTPRtB9...K_GQ_zdF6NjgAqzryrOQCHMYCw/s1600/RCO022_w.jpg https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wqivDK9L...owmeSLZuJQCNEZqSbV1uoQCHMYCw/s1600/RCO023.jpg

Scaling Spidey to a Tri Sentinal inspite of all this is dubious at best and completely unreasonable, tantamount to actual wank at worst
 
I would say if a Sentinel or even a Tri-Sentinel can be defeated by the likes of Spider-Man and Wolverine, I would question the power and ability and capability of the Sentinels first.

And in many comic book stories, giant-sized characters are often portrayed as clumsy. Even Giant-Man in Civil War.

While Spidey HAS more raw power than the Wolverine, he does not have adamantium claws so his slicing power is generally less effective and does not have lol negation.
 
Yeah, that too.

I'm unsure how that'd effect his tiering with the Iron Spider, if at all, if it isn't seen as an outlier.

It shouldn't be, it's a suite made by Tony for Peter. It's his own tech vs his own tech basically.
 
That Batman feat Batman was next to the explosive and he was propelled by it out of the building as he outright stated though it being a outliner I guess is fine for now until more feat rise up. So moving on from the Batman stuff. Ant seems fine with somewhat scaling Spiderman with Venom.
 
We do not know how far Batman or Venom managed to run before the respective explosives went off, and as such the feats are unreliable to scale from.
 
Venom didn't run he was directly heading towards the guy that attacked him trying to punch him and he was hit directly by the attack which was a beam and was the only one that got sent flying dispite there being people around the guy that attacked him. Batman also didn't run unlike Black Widow who managed to outrun her explosion Batman was propelled by the explosion as he stated. Though it's probably a outliner that Batman feat for now.
 
Most of the feats I found for Spidey are tier 8, its when he fights tier 7 characters is where the scaling gets messy. Ofc it's been mention multiple times how wildly inconsistent comic's can get but it seems it's going to be a case of scaling Vs feats.
 
The bomb only landed 3-5 meters away from where Bats was standing https://i.imgur.com/s78ftuK.jpg Take note that Bats is facing the bomb in this shot

He's already out the window by the time the explosion hits the wall meaning he only got hit by the tail end of it https://i.imgur.com/7UnGYIB.jpg As you can see Bats is facing the opposite direction of the bomb showcasing he clearly tried to distance himself from the bomb as much as possible.

Yes he took some of the force and even the heat, as he states so himself, but only a small portion of it, the feat only shows him being hit by the tail end of the explosion and nothing suggets he took the full brunt of it all.

Either way, as you said, this is clearly an outlier, and even still he took significant damage from it https://i.imgur.com/QKTC395.jpg Not fully scalable to be honest
 
Alright good point moving from the Batman stuff until other feats are probably found in like a few months later.
 
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