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Yes, too much going on lmao. Like, I literally held on from making the Gen V profiles and CRTs for the boys because of S4. After that, I was gonna post a bunch of stuff for them.
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The Boys discussion thread
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Although, tbf, this is like, editing 6 profiles and only the tiers. So idk if we has to wait on this one.
I wouldn't mind doing then if people want.
It's pretty much: Homelander, Soldier Boys, S3 Maeve, Temp V Butcher, Annie's supercharge and Ryan's heat vision.
Edit: oh, and gotta edit the landry-list of matches Homelander has lol
I wouldn't mind doing then if people want.
It's pretty much: Homelander, Soldier Boys, S3 Maeve, Temp V Butcher, Annie's supercharge and Ryan's heat vision.
Edit: oh, and gotta edit the landry-list of matches Homelander has lol
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Yeah, the only ones that scale off the value are them and Sam, right?
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Sam doesn't scale from them, he is much weaker.
The Gen V cast will either scale from Luke reducing Brink to ashes (0.06-0.07 Tons I think) or
His future fight with kimiko
Although Kimiko and co also may receiving a tiering revision
Although Kimiko and co also may receiving a tiering revision
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Doesn't Sam scale to Maeve based on some kind of statement?
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This one.
They don't give a conclusive answer, other than saying that would be bad for the group.
Issue comes when you realize that everyone in the main cast scale to Sam (even if sightly weaker). Like, even when devoid of morals, he couldn't defeat Andre.
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Yes, even the bioengineered super virus isn't enough to kill him yet
Iirc, he dared her to try it on him in season 3 or so, add this to the fact that she's terrified of him, he's more than likely resistant to it (which could mean his insides are also super durable)
It should
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Ah, wait, the statement is talking about them having similar... leaping strength? Idk what that would indicate.
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Also, isn't Andre one of the most durable people there?
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Would he though?
Ignoring any other characters the actor(s) might play....
Mako Tsunami is a 10-B, who could be argued to get an Intelligence/Skill for his experience on the seas & fishing with his now-late father.
But other than very loose comparability scaling based off of anime-only feats to get him to 9-B, unless there's some Solid Vision stuff I can't see him being much.
Noah Kaiba is kind of a God. Can summon sandstorms, & I think do other Reality Warping stuff. ...In the Virtual World.
Outside of that, he's a comatose adolescent boy hooked up to a complex VR system.
Also, according to the Yugioh Wiki about Gozaburo (Noah's dad):
On Noah's birthday, Gozaburo was told by his son that with KaibaCorp's military weapons, 97% of the human population could be destroyed in 30 days.[8] This led Gozaburo to questioning whether Noah was out of touch with the real world.[7] That day, Seto and Mokuba arrived at the Kaiba Mansion.[8]
He was disappointed by Noah's defeat as he could not take Seto's body, but had managed to hack into KaibaCorp's network. Through it, he accessed his secret missile satellite. No longer needing Seto's body, he unveiled the final stage of his plan: Launching missiles against the world leaders, hack into every computer system in the world, and rule humanity through the Virtual World (in the English version, he wanted to digitize the entire world and reign as King of the Virtual World).
Gozaburo then closed all the exits that he knew of the Virtual World. Noah then pretended to lead the group to a secret exit, but instead split them up, and left most of them wandering a Virtual Domino City while Noah, after he realized that his father was only using him, used Mokuba's body to escape, changed the trajectory of the missiles to the fortress, and intended to destroy everyone inside while he escaped.
During the Duel, Gozaburo and Seto were informed that the fortress would be hit by a missile and the Virtual World would be destroyed. Gozaburo was astonished because of the betrayal of his own son and for his plans getting ruined again. After he knew that he would die, Gozaburo tried to take Seto's body, but Seto stopped him by offering that the winner of the duel would escape to the real world. Seto used "Soul Demolition" to Remove the Exodia parts from play, and neutralized "Exodia Necross". Now stripped of its powers, "Exodia Necross" was destroyed by Seto's "Blue-Eyes White Dragon". Gozaburo lost the Duel and his chance to escape the Virtual World.[13]
Gozaburo in his "Flame" form, during the Virtual World Story Arc.
With the fortress about to be destroyed, Gozaburo attempted to take Kaiba's body by force by transforming into a red creature. Yugi entered and helped Kaiba escape to the real world. Noah, having had a change of heart, appeared on Gozaburo's back, immobilized him as well as prevented him from downloading himself to another network. As Seto and Yugi emerged on the airship and escaped, the fortress exploded, and deleted Noah. Gozaburo lived for a few moments, somehow became 'real' as a beast of flame, and erupted from the ruins of the fortress. As Gozaburo attempted to destroy the airship, Seto activated the airship's thrusters, jetted out of his grasp for good, and left him to sink into the waves.[13]
He was disappointed by Noah's defeat as he could not take Seto's body, but had managed to hack into KaibaCorp's network. Through it, he accessed his secret missile satellite. No longer needing Seto's body, he unveiled the final stage of his plan: Launching missiles against the world leaders, hack into every computer system in the world, and rule humanity through the Virtual World (in the English version, he wanted to digitize the entire world and reign as King of the Virtual World).
Gozaburo then closed all the exits that he knew of the Virtual World. Noah then pretended to lead the group to a secret exit, but instead split them up, and left most of them wandering a Virtual Domino City while Noah, after he realized that his father was only using him, used Mokuba's body to escape, changed the trajectory of the missiles to the fortress, and intended to destroy everyone inside while he escaped.
During the Duel, Gozaburo and Seto were informed that the fortress would be hit by a missile and the Virtual World would be destroyed. Gozaburo was astonished because of the betrayal of his own son and for his plans getting ruined again. After he knew that he would die, Gozaburo tried to take Seto's body, but Seto stopped him by offering that the winner of the duel would escape to the real world. Seto used "Soul Demolition" to Remove the Exodia parts from play, and neutralized "Exodia Necross". Now stripped of its powers, "Exodia Necross" was destroyed by Seto's "Blue-Eyes White Dragon". Gozaburo lost the Duel and his chance to escape the Virtual World.[13]
Gozaburo in his "Flame" form, during the Virtual World Story Arc.
With the fortress about to be destroyed, Gozaburo attempted to take Kaiba's body by force by transforming into a red creature. Yugi entered and helped Kaiba escape to the real world. Noah, having had a change of heart, appeared on Gozaburo's back, immobilized him as well as prevented him from downloading himself to another network. As Seto and Yugi emerged on the airship and escaped, the fortress exploded, and deleted Noah. Gozaburo lived for a few moments, somehow became 'real' as a beast of flame, and erupted from the ruins of the fortress. As Gozaburo attempted to destroy the airship, Seto activated the airship's thrusters, jetted out of his grasp for good, and left him to sink into the waves.[13]
So in summary: Gozaburo could access Kaiba Corp's weapon systems. Before Kaiba's take over, KC was in fact a weapon system -A remnant of that is shown with Alcatraz, AKA Duel Tower, a former KC military base & site of the Battle City finals. Kaiba self-destructs it at the end of BC.
& apparently, KC's weapons are sufficient to destroy 97% of humanity in 30 days.
Gozaburo, from within the Virtual World, accessed KC's "secret missile satellite" (IDK if there's any permissions that'd precluse Noah from using it.), which he apparently planned to use to "launch missiles against the world leaders, hack into every computer system in the world, & rule humanity through the Virtual World".
Noah then escapes to the real world in Mokuba's body -Needed a physical body to leave- & there, redirected the missile(s) to the fortress housing the Virtual World system, returned to the VW, & restrained his traitorous father.
In the ensuing explosion, as the Wiki puts it "Gozaburo lived for a few moments, somehow became 'real' as a beast of flame, and erupted from the ruins of the fortress. As Gozaburo attempted to destroy the airship, Seto activated the airship's thrusters, jetted out of his grasp for good, and left him to sink into the waves."
& apparently, KC's weapons are sufficient to destroy 97% of humanity in 30 days.
Gozaburo, from within the Virtual World, accessed KC's "secret missile satellite" (IDK if there's any permissions that'd precluse Noah from using it.), which he apparently planned to use to "launch missiles against the world leaders, hack into every computer system in the world, & rule humanity through the Virtual World".
Noah then escapes to the real world in Mokuba's body -Needed a physical body to leave- & there, redirected the missile(s) to the fortress housing the Virtual World system, returned to the VW, & restrained his traitorous father.
In the ensuing explosion, as the Wiki puts it "Gozaburo lived for a few moments, somehow became 'real' as a beast of flame, and erupted from the ruins of the fortress. As Gozaburo attempted to destroy the airship, Seto activated the airship's thrusters, jetted out of his grasp for good, and left him to sink into the waves."
TL;DR - Could Noah Kaiba beat Homelander? (He doesn't have a profile, though, so RIP.)
A. In the Virtual World, he's a reality warper, with authority only perhaps surpassed by his father, Gozaburo.
B. In reality? Well, if Gozaburo can hack into the KC satellite to launch missiles & global hack attacks, Noah, might be able to do that, too. Would enough weapons to destroy 97% of humanity in 30 days, especially considering it's KC tech, be able to kill Homelander?
C. In reality? Noah is a boy who's been comatose for 6 years hooked up to a VR system. No Virtual World or hacking shenanigans, & Homelander no-diffs.
E-102 Gamma?
Well, Sonic X, IIRC, is loosely based on Sonic Adventure, but nonetheless.... E-102 Gamma does not HAVE a profile in the Sonic X continuity.
But E-102 Gamma's other profiles are Large Star Level or Large Star Level+, & in Sonic X scaling, even Cream is Planet Level+.
Gary Prince, AKA Human Prince Gumball from Fionna & Cake?
I'm not sure he has feats, IIRC, he spends a lot of the series living a semi-normal life in Fionna's world of origin & fights like a pretty normal dude once he does end up fighting. Like, his whole shtick is being a baker who bakes edible versions of his OCs & gives backstories for them for marketability.
& also he doesn't have a profile. Maybe if there's some comparability to Fionna/Cake he might stand a chance??
Which leaves William Clockwell, the best friend of Invincible.
If you think he has a chance against Homelander, I'm laughing.
His best claim to fame, IIRC, is that his boyfriend, Rick, gets turned into a Reaniman, & is later restored to a mostly human state, albeit, still with many inorganic parts/human parts missing, & gets very depressed over it. Other than shortly after being made into a Reaniman, Rick doesn't fight, but IIRC, he & other Reanimen do briefly give Invincible some trouble.
Later, after D.A. Sinclaire is recruited by the government because of the strength of the Reanimen he created, a group of them dogpile Omni-Man, & briefly, barely hold him down, before being flung away & easily killed, IIRC.
So uhhh.... William Clockwell can TOTALLY take Homelander! ....If you let him ask his boyfriend Rick for help AND Rick is a Reaniman (Which can hurt Invincible & kinda hold down Omni-Man, assuming that's not Plot-Induced-Stupidity.) at the time.
Later, after D.A. Sinclaire is recruited by the government because of the strength of the Reanimen he created, a group of them dogpile Omni-Man, & briefly, barely hold him down, before being flung away & easily killed, IIRC.
So uhhh.... William Clockwell can TOTALLY take Homelander! ....If you let him ask his boyfriend Rick for help AND Rick is a Reaniman (Which can hurt Invincible & kinda hold down Omni-Man, assuming that's not Plot-Induced-Stupidity.) at the time.
Otherwise, William Clockwell is a normal college student, & I'm pretty sure Homelander can & does kill those by accident.
So yeah. Of the characters who played Homelander (on ice!), they are:
1. A fisherman who'd be lucky to survive WITH solid light hologram stuff his profile doesn't currently have (& may not be eligible for? IDK.) currently.
2. A comatose boy in a Virtual World (Where he's a reality warper.) who MIGHT be able to hack & launch weapons on a global extinction scale
3. A version of that robot from Sonic (Sonic X) which doesn't have a profile, but probably tier stomps based on other Sonic X profiles.
4. A version of Princess Bubblegum from Adventure Time which doesn't have a profile.
5. Invincible's best friend, who also doesn't have a profile.
& Homelander has a solid chance against all of them except for maybe the robot, the comatose boy. (& Invincible's BF, but only if Invincible's best friend's boyfriend joins in while in one of the worst periods of his life.)
Homelander can win at best, 4 of these 5 (Only the robot is a sure loss.), & at worst, loses to 4 of 5. (Only the fisherman is a sure win.)
Sorry about all the words.
Hopefully this is an at least entertaining &/or informative &/or not tedious read.
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Invulnerability in The Boys should be studied lol
But yeah, those are fair resistances he should have. Also, should he logically have resistances from lesser characters? Like, Neuman's acid resistance, or Translucent's one to electricity, or even soldier boy's one to sleep and poison?
Nope, he is just on part with the rest (Well, Male Jordan is the most durable of them all)
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I didn't say he'd lose, only that he'd die if he fought them. For instance, if he ever hurts William, at least 3 superhumans are going to rip his arms off.Would he though?
Ignoring any other characters the actor(s) might play....
Mako Tsunami is a 10-B, who could be argued to get an Intelligence/Skill for his experience on the seas & fishing with his now-late father.
But other than very loose comparability scaling based off of anime-only feats to get him to 9-B, unless there's some Solid Vision stuff I can't see him being much.
Noah Kaiba is kind of a God. Can summon sandstorms, & I think do other Reality Warping stuff. ...In the Virtual World.
Outside of that, he's a comatose adolescent boy hooked up to a complex VR system.
Also, according to the Yugioh Wiki about Gozaburo (Noah's dad):
On Noah's birthday, Gozaburo was told by his son that with KaibaCorp's military weapons, 97% of the human population could be destroyed in 30 days.[8] This led Gozaburo to questioning whether Noah was out of touch with the real world.[7] That day, Seto and Mokuba arrived at the Kaiba Mansion.[8]
He was disappointed by Noah's defeat as he could not take Seto's body, but had managed to hack into KaibaCorp's network. Through it, he accessed his secret missile satellite. No longer needing Seto's body, he unveiled the final stage of his plan: Launching missiles against the world leaders, hack into every computer system in the world, and rule humanity through the Virtual World (in the English version, he wanted to digitize the entire world and reign as King of the Virtual World).
Gozaburo then closed all the exits that he knew of the Virtual World. Noah then pretended to lead the group to a secret exit, but instead split them up, and left most of them wandering a Virtual Domino City while Noah, after he realized that his father was only using him, used Mokuba's body to escape, changed the trajectory of the missiles to the fortress, and intended to destroy everyone inside while he escaped.
During the Duel, Gozaburo and Seto were informed that the fortress would be hit by a missile and the Virtual World would be destroyed. Gozaburo was astonished because of the betrayal of his own son and for his plans getting ruined again. After he knew that he would die, Gozaburo tried to take Seto's body, but Seto stopped him by offering that the winner of the duel would escape to the real world. Seto used "Soul Demolition" to Remove the Exodia parts from play, and neutralized "Exodia Necross". Now stripped of its powers, "Exodia Necross" was destroyed by Seto's "Blue-Eyes White Dragon". Gozaburo lost the Duel and his chance to escape the Virtual World.[13]
Gozaburo in his "Flame" form, during the Virtual World Story Arc.
With the fortress about to be destroyed, Gozaburo attempted to take Kaiba's body by force by transforming into a red creature. Yugi entered and helped Kaiba escape to the real world. Noah, having had a change of heart, appeared on Gozaburo's back, immobilized him as well as prevented him from downloading himself to another network. As Seto and Yugi emerged on the airship and escaped, the fortress exploded, and deleted Noah. Gozaburo lived for a few moments, somehow became 'real' as a beast of flame, and erupted from the ruins of the fortress. As Gozaburo attempted to destroy the airship, Seto activated the airship's thrusters, jetted out of his grasp for good, and left him to sink into the waves.[13]
So in summary: Gozaburo could access Kaiba Corp's weapon systems. Before Kaiba's take over, KC was in fact a weapon system -A remnant of that is shown with Alcatraz, AKA Duel Tower, a former KC military base & site of the Battle City finals. Kaiba self-destructs it at the end of BC.
& apparently, KC's weapons are sufficient to destroy 97% of humanity in 30 days.
Gozaburo, from within the Virtual World, accessed KC's "secret missile satellite" (IDK if there's any permissions that'd precluse Noah from using it.), which he apparently planned to use to "launch missiles against the world leaders, hack into every computer system in the world, & rule humanity through the Virtual World".
Noah then escapes to the real world in Mokuba's body -Needed a physical body to leave- & there, redirected the missile(s) to the fortress housing the Virtual World system, returned to the VW, & restrained his traitorous father.
In the ensuing explosion, as the Wiki puts it "Gozaburo lived for a few moments, somehow became 'real' as a beast of flame, and erupted from the ruins of the fortress. As Gozaburo attempted to destroy the airship, Seto activated the airship's thrusters, jetted out of his grasp for good, and left him to sink into the waves."
TL;DR - Could Noah Kaiba beat Homelander? (He doesn't have a profile, though, so RIP.)
A. In the Virtual World, he's a reality warper, with authority only perhaps surpassed by his father, Gozaburo.
B. In reality? Well, if Gozaburo can hack into the KC satellite to launch missiles & global hack attacks, Noah, might be able to do that, too. Would enough weapons to destroy 97% of humanity in 30 days, especially considering it's KC tech, be able to kill Homelander?
C. In reality? Noah is a boy who's been comatose for 6 years hooked up to a VR system. No Virtual World or hacking shenanigans, & Homelander no-diffs.
E-102 Gamma?
Well, Sonic X, IIRC, is loosely based on Sonic Adventure, but nonetheless.... E-102 Gamma does not HAVE a profile in the Sonic X continuity.
But E-102 Gamma's other profiles are Large Star Level or Large Star Level+, & in Sonic X scaling, even Cream is Planet Level+.
Gary Prince, AKA Human Prince Gumball from Fionna & Cake?
I'm not sure he has feats, IIRC, he spends a lot of the series living a semi-normal life in Fionna's world of origin & fights like a pretty normal dude once he does end up fighting. Like, his whole shtick is being a baker who bakes edible versions of his OCs & gives backstories for them for marketability.
& also he doesn't have a profile. Maybe if there's some comparability to Fionna/Cake he might stand a chance??
Which leaves William Clockwell, the best friend of Invincible.
If you think he has a chance against Homelander, I'm laughing.
His best claim to fame, IIRC, is that his boyfriend, Rick, gets turned into a Reaniman, & is later restored to a mostly human state, albeit, still with many inorganic parts/human parts missing, & gets very depressed over it. Other than shortly after being made into a Reaniman, Rick doesn't fight, but IIRC, he & other Reanimen do briefly give Invincible some trouble.
Later, after D.A. Sinclaire is recruited by the government because of the strength of the Reanimen he created, a group of them dogpile Omni-Man, & briefly, barely hold him down, before being flung away & easily killed, IIRC.
So uhhh.... William Clockwell can TOTALLY take Homelander! ....If you let him ask his boyfriend Rick for help AND Rick is a Reaniman (Which can hurt Invincible & kinda hold down Omni-Man, assuming that's not Plot-Induced-Stupidity.) at the time.
Otherwise, William Clockwell is a normal college student, & I'm pretty sure Homelander can & does kill those by accident.
So yeah. Of the characters who played Homelander (on ice!), they are:
1. A fisherman who'd be lucky to survive WITH solid light hologram stuff his profile doesn't currently have (& may not be eligible for? IDK.) currently.
2. A comatose boy in a Virtual World (Where he's a reality warper.) who MIGHT be able to hack & launch weapons on a global extinction scale
3. A version of that robot from Sonic (Sonic X) which doesn't have a profile, but probably tier stomps based on other Sonic X profiles.
4. A version of Princess Bubblegum from Adventure Time which doesn't have a profile.
5. Invincible's best friend, who also doesn't have a profile.
& Homelander has a solid chance against all of them except for maybe the robot, the comatose boy. (& Invincible's BF, but only if Invincible's best friend's boyfriend joins in while in one of the worst periods of his life.)
Homelander can win at best, 4 of these 5 (Only the robot is a sure loss.), & at worst, loses to 4 of 5. (Only the fisherman is a sure win.)
Sorry about all the words.
Hopefully this is an at least entertaining &/or informative &/or not tedious read.
Mako Tsunami is mostly a joke though.
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Wasn't Polarity saying like "we're made of steel" or something?
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Pretty sure it's just a corny line to refer to them being supes in general. Also he says "steel" because they control metal lol
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Hyperbole... Also she said "thrown at him", which I don't Vought would throw a nuke at homelander lol
EDIT: Also, Madelyn said this to Butcher, as in "anything you can get won't hurt him". So even if the statement is litera, I don't think she ever meant nuclear weapons... Unless she expected Butcher to pull a Avengers 2012 and nuke Manhattan
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Tbh that just supports 7-A since Nukes are “thrown” at stuff lol
Plus why not, they were testing his durability for quite some time
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Her exact quote is "There isn't a weapon on earth they haven't thrown at him. They've all failed."
So question 1: who is "they"? Who is out here nuking Homelander? Did Vought nuke him? How did Vought get access to a nuke? Did the military nuke him? Why would they do that? Who's out here throwing nukes at Homelander?
Question 2: If Homelander got nuked, how powerful was the nuke? Nukes varry from Town to City level, so how powerful was the nuke that they launched at him?
Question 3: How does Homelander still have his powers? As we saw with Soldier Boy, radiation burns the Compound V in a supes system. Nukes are SUPER radioactive. Probably more radioactive than Soldier Boy, who was implied to be able to strip Homelander of his Compound V. If Homelander got nuked, how come he still has his powers?
Question 4: How do we know she's not lying? Vought likes to lie about their heroes all the time, such as when that one guy hosting the A-Train vs Shockwave race said that A-Train can run "over 1,000 mph". However, in that following scene, A-Train only runs about 830 mph and it's stated to be a "new record for A-Train." So clearly Vought isn't above lying about their supes abilities
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Lol, fair.
Although, who are the other 2 besides Invincible?
& I'm not sure anyone cares enough about Noah to step up if he's endangered, except maybe Yugi.
& IDK if Fionna & Cake (From their titular series) or their peers could actually do anything about Homelander.
Apologies if I bothered you with my overly wordy evaluating.
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Logistically I don't think Vought would run the risk of killing their apex project... also idk about nuclear testing, but I don't think they can conduct it and the military doesn't like supes. And idk how they would pin homelader for such testing without him going apeshit. There's so much wrong for a throw away line, that's just a hard bluffing way of saying "Butcher, you can't have anything to physically hurt Homelander".
Thanks for also bringing more evidence lol
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But we know he has superhuman durability, because no matter where you scale Sam, anyone resisting his punches would have to be superhuman.
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There's been confirmation of nukes existing and having been used at some point in time, like WW2 or whatever, in-verse, right?
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The cyborg fellow and Atom Eve, who's clearly around Mark quite often.
I keep forgetting about Noah.
I'm sure there's Tier 7 feats or something.
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Yep
Unknown, they probably were testing his Durability
Tsar I guess. Remember the quote is “every weapon on earth”
To be perfectly honest we dont even know if SB was capable of burning HHs V right? I mean they never actually pulled it off
Counter Argument: I like Tier 7 HH
Anyways yeah its very likely a lie but the fact that Vought lying makes sense but dont they want to kill HH? If he is Tier 8 why did they not nuke him when he started going off control
Also I watched the show casually so its possible I missed some details of lore
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Even with Fionna & Cake being in a different part of the multiverse from most AT stuff?
Sorry, sorry, probably getting off-topic, whether this pertains to "Can Homelander beat a character Homelander on ice's VA voiced" or not.
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If they resist by simply being invulnerable like Neumann then yes imo, but people like translucent and soldier boy have special bodies types, he shouldn't scale, soldier doesn't even age
It's not just that one statement tho iirc, when talking about how they could have put down soldier boy, butcher said they'd need a nuke because he was almost as tough as homelander
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A Tsar Bomba-level explosion would have left a massive portion of the world uninhabitable, we'd have heard of that.
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Idk, there's some stuff in there, I don't really remember.
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Possible Counter point: Space
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Ok, I'm starting to think we definitely need a statement to assume they fired a space nuke at him.
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We have two statements and one implication about Nuke HH, I think we should consider this a possibility and dig into it tbh…
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Wasn't one tested by Russia in some desert?
However all we have is normal nukes, tbh, I don't think assuming tsar bomb level (especially since it was banned) is correct
What's the payload of the average nuke being held by countries now?
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Why would the military do that? Vought couldn't get the US government to allow supes into the military without gaslighting litteraly the entire world, but they got the government to waste millions of dollars and their most powerful weapon in their arsenal to see if Homelander would survive getting nuked? Yeah, makes sense
The US doesn't have access to the Tsar bomb. Our most powerful nuclear bomb isn't even 1/3rd the strength of the Tsar bomb. How the hell would the US military talk Russia into letting us have their bomb so that we could test it on Homelander?
Also, hyperbole is a thing
We don't know if it would've worked, but we also don't know if it wouldn't have worked either. Homelander has shown no resistance to extreme radiation like the radiation in a nuclear bomb
1. Vought doesn't have access to nukes, so if they wanted to kill him, they wouldn't be able to use a nuke
2. They don't want to kill him. Why would they want to kill their biggest money-making machine that they spent over 30 years making in a lab?
3. The military could kill Homelander with a nuke if they really wanted, but the big problem is civilian casualties. They could kill Homelander with a nuke, but they'd kill everyone in New York too. They don't want to pull a 2012 Avengers on everyone. Also, Homelander is fast enough to just fly out of a nukes blast radius
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So to conclude my thoughts on the Homelander = Nuke theory, no.
It's extremley vague, requires a massive amount of assumtions, leaves many questions that don't have answers and require borderline fanfiction answers like "they nuked him in space" to work, was said by an unreliable source, and has plenty of evidence going against it, such as radiation destroying the V in peoples bloodstream, nobody else in the series having feats anywhere even close to that level, Starlight being able to hurt Soldier Boy simply by absorbing the energy found inside a film studio, and Maeve huring Homelander with a metal straw
Bro isn't even straw level, yet he's being compared to a nuke
It's extremley vague, requires a massive amount of assumtions, leaves many questions that don't have answers and require borderline fanfiction answers like "they nuked him in space" to work, was said by an unreliable source, and has plenty of evidence going against it, such as radiation destroying the V in peoples bloodstream, nobody else in the series having feats anywhere even close to that level, Starlight being able to hurt Soldier Boy simply by absorbing the energy found inside a film studio, and Maeve huring Homelander with a metal straw
Bro isn't even straw level, yet he's being compared to a nuke
ThePrimalHunter
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We have no idea how far away he was, so the calc isn't applicable to him.
For the speed part, if we were to scale Black Noir to Homelander, that would make him faster than the litteral speedster on the team, A-Train, which simply wouldn't work due to how the speed scaling works in the verse
It's probably just some good old PIS that kept Black Noir out of Homelanders reach
Just_Butchering
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... yes. That's not what I was arguing though? Just that sam and co don't scale at all to Homelander.
ThePrimalHunter
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All that would do is turn the nuke into pure radiation and instantly strip Homelander of the V in his blood. There isn't even a shockwave, so he still wouldn't scale to this
Also, when you have to start stretching something so far that your arguement is "they went to space to nuke Homelander", maybe your arguement isn't that sound. Just because you made some fancy fanfiction about how it happened doesn't mean that the feat suddenly scales
1 was from Vought, who love to lie about and gas up our heroes, one was from someone who could be using a figure of speach and doesn't have knowledge of Homelaner/Soldier Boys upper limits so taking his word for it is not reliable, and idk where you're getting the implication from, those seem to be the only 2 lines that suggest nuke Homelander
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There are scenes where he literally throws projectiles at the same speed as Homelander's heat vision.
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