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The boxer : YU Speed downgrade

Zefra3011 said:
The author explain the "frozen" thing as something that happens only in few moment of your life due to various factors, ok, I'm not talking about that which would be only a matter of perception, I'm saying K was actually able to keep up with the bullet at least with his reaction, the author doesn't present the frozen thing as a sort of speed boost so the fact he can follow the bullet is a matter of his own reaction imo, like the fact he can have that sort of perception is not something he can always do while the reaction part is something he can do by his own because "that moment" thing doesn't boost his stats.
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He says everything froze for a few seconds and tries to explain it as the bullet freezing for a few seconds.
 
DMUA said:
You really did not need to bring this up

Anyways, disagree, already explained on
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1)

Subsonic

Subsonic

Subsonic

Supersonic+ (close to hypersonic)

This is a really big outlier.

2 )Since everyone was focusing on the match, J might have come later and watched the match from the audience. All the spectators may not have seen J because they were focusing on the match, including the people near the stairs because YU was about to kill the man, the spectators were watching the match in shock, so they did not see J.
 
Viott said:
Subsonic

Subsonic

Subsonic

Supersonic+ (close to hypersonic)
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You should actually link the feats in the former camp, and explain why someone evidently significantly faster than most fighters would be inhibited by them
Viott said:
Since everyone was focusing on the match, J might have come later and watched the match from the audience. All the spectators may not have seen J because they were focusing on the match, including the people near the stairs because YU was about to kill the man, the spectators were watching the match in shock, so they did not see J.
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If you read the prior thread, you'd know how I feel about this sentiment.
 
DMUA said:
You should actually link the feats in the former camp, and explain why someone evidently significantly faster than them would be inhibited by that
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Yu is faster than J but only has subsonic success, not even supersonic success
 
That's not how powerscaling works. If you scale above someone who has a feat you inherently scale to that feat, irregardless if you don't have feats on the same level.
 
azontr said:
That's not how powerscaling works. If you scale above someone who has a feat you inherently scale to that feat, irregardless if you don't have feats on the same level.
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No, YU is faster than J so his best feat is subsonic. Because Aaron was as fast as YU, he couldn't even react to a subsonic attack, and J was much slower than Yu, so I can safely say that this was an outlier.
 
Yu was faster than J after reaching the apex of his training a significant amount of time after the feat, he isn't just hard locked to a speed. His subsonic feats would just include punching people particularly fast, they could easily be done in a lower timeframe than we account for, but that would be inflationary. It's not a contradiction like failing to dodge a bullet or something.
 
DMUA said:
Yu, bu başarıdan önemli bir süre sonra eğitiminin zirvesine ulaştıktan sonra J'den daha hızlıydı; sadece hıza sabitlenmiş değildi. Ses altı becerileri arasında insanları özellikle hızlı bir şekilde yumruklamak yer alıyor; bunlar, hesaba kattığımızdan daha kısa bir zaman diliminde kolayca yapılabilir, ancak bu enflasyona neden olur. Kurşundan kaçamamak falan gibi bir çelişki değil bu.
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If so, K seeing the bullet as frozen shouldn't be an outlier because everything you say applies to him too.
 
You do realize that fan made calcs do not limit what a character should scale to, right?

I can keep blowing up buildings and scale to characters who can nuke the moon.

The only way problems can occur is if I actually intended to blow the moon up and failed to do so.
Or I'm stated lower than canonically city busting attacks.
Viott said:
No, YU is faster than J so his best feat is subsonic. Because Aaron was as fast as YU, he couldn't even react to a subsonic attack, and J was much slower than Yu, so I can safely say that this was an outlier.
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And you keep saying you're not arguing for the feat being an outlier
 
Testarossa002 said:
You do realize that fan made calcs do not limit what a character should scale to, right?

I can keep blowing up buildings and scale to characters who can nuke the moon.

The only way problems can occur is if I actually intended to blow the moon up and failed to do so.
Or I'm stated lower than canonically city busting attacks.


And you keep saying you're not arguing for the feat being an outlier
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You are saying really illogical things, you couldn't refute what I said.
 
Testarossa002 said:
This is a lost cause then.
Since you disagree, make a wiki wide CRT.
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no I don't have to No matter how famous J is, the crowd was literally focused on the match because YU nearly killed the guy. The assumption that he couldn't see J because they were watching him carefully seems much more credible to me.
 
Viott said:
If so, K seeing the bullet as frozen shouldn't be an outlier because everything you say applies to him too.
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K is not in fact one of the fastest characters, he has one WoG statement about how he might be stronger than Jean and never actually fights

And that whole scene was more a deal of his senses being tuned extremely high instead of being Sub-freaking relativistic (or anything past Subsonic, which would make sense)
 
Idk why yall keep bringing up K's feat, either. The feat isn't meant to portray K being capable of viewing bullets as frozen, nor does it portray him reacting to bullets. The point of the portrayal is to illustrate the concept of one's senses surpassing human limits, which is in relation to Jean, who had just achieved such an extreme level of concentration.

It literally isn't even a speed feat.
 
DMUA said:
K is not in fact one of the fastest characters, he has one WoG statement about how he might be stronger than Jean and never actually fights

And that whole scene was more a deal of his senses being tuned extremely high instead of being Sub-freaking relativistic (or anything past Subsonic, which would make sense)
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I read everything you said but it doesn't make sense to me. No matter how famous J was, the crowd was literally focusing on the match because YU almost killed the guy. Since they were watching with full attention, the assumption of not seeing J seems much more reliable to me.
 
azontr said:
Idk why yall keep bringing up K's feat, either. The feat isn't meant to portray K being capable of viewing bullets as frozen, nor does it portray him reacting to bullets. The point of the portrayal is to illustrate the concept of one's senses surpassing human limits, which is in relation to Jean, who had just achieved such an extreme level of concentration.

It literally isn't even a speed feat.
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He says he literally looked at the bullet and saw it frozen for a few seconds.
 
Viott said:
He says he literally looked at the bullet and saw it frozen for a few seconds.
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Which, if you read what I said, doesn't have anything to do with speed in this context.

Plus, even if you assume this is a speed feat for K, it's in a circumstance where he's fighting on the brink of death, which he never replicates again and isn't his base speed, sooooo... it's not exactly relevant to scaling. At all.
 
azontr said:
Which, if you read what I said, doesn't have anything to do with speed in this context.

Plus, even if you assume this is a speed feat for K, it's in a circumstance where he's fighting on the brink of death, which he never replicates again and isn't his base speed, sooooo... it's not exactly relevant to scaling. At all.
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I can refute what you said, but I won't extend the issue about K, that's why I didn't open a CRT.
 
I have to agree to this. It's funny how the character who performed this feat is 121 times faster than Yu, yet Yu still upscales from this dude speed wise lol.
 
Dinozxd said:
I have to agree to this. It's funny how the character who performed this feat is 121 times faster than Yu, yet Yu still upscales from this dude speed wise lol.
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Yu legit had to train his speed in order to beat Aaron which is after J could perform this feat and the match against J is after Aaron one so he literally upscales to a speed after a training based on that (and durab neg), this has been already adressed tho.
 
Dinozxd said:
I have to agree to this. It's funny how the character who performed this feat is 121 times faster than Yu, yet Yu still upscales from this dude speed wise lol.
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It's because Yu grows and beats this guy. Although the scale makes no sense in my eyes and the distance seems highballed. The feat is still a feat but this is highballed I presume
 
Zefra3011 said:
Yu legit had to train his speed in order to beat Aaron which is after J could perform this feat and the match against J is after Aaron one so he literally upscales to a speed after a training based on that (and durab neg), this has been already adressed tho.
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Traning can increase your speed by 121 times. I don't think that's logical at all.
 
TheDarkTriadz said:
It's because Yu grows and beats this guy. Although the scale makes no sense in my eyes and the distance seems highballed. The feat is still a feat but this is highballed I presume
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I just checked the result and profiles lol, I didn't check the whole calc out. I don't have much interest on the verse, I'm just curious.
 
Dinozxd said:
Don't you think it's a little absurd even fiction wise though?
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