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The durability/toughness of Senbonzakura didn't change between the two scenes.either way, an argument can be made that the One-handed blitz strike is superior to the earlier two-handed strike.
Byakuya Increases the Speed of his senbonzakura to match Ichigo's which means Ichigo has to deal with far more KE than he had to before.
Prove to me that massively increasing your speed to improve the KE and AP is much weaker than swinging with two hands.Not sure what you're trying to prove there, yes Byakuya got twice as fast, doesn't compare to what Kenpachi did with Kendo.
Woah there, prove that it was a "massive speed amp" first. Byakuya doubles his speed and Ichigo matches it, the most you can give Ichigo is that he increased his speed at least 2 times. Doesn't sound like a massive speed amp to me.Prove to me that massively increasing your speed to improve the KE and AP is much weaker than swinging with two hands.
Byakuya had to amp his speed by three times to match Ichigo.Woah there, prove that it was a "massive speed amp" first.
Two times* you're using a faulty translation. And twice is not massive. That would only increase KE by a factor of 4. Albeit to say Ichigo upped his AP by 4 times as well is incorrect, as there was less mass behind the swing, since he used one arm instead of both.Byakuya had to amp his speed by three times to match Ichigo.
I would honestly be down to average the results from mine and Damage's methods. If that seems like a fair compromise @Damage3245.People, people
Just do an average mid end and GG, since both interpretations appear to be valid.
I would honestly be down to average the results from mine and Damage's methods. If that seems like a fair compromise @Damage3245.
If you went to get nitty gritty, Ichigo only used his arm for his faster one-handed strike, while he used his whole body in his two-handed strike. Being that the arm is less than a fourth of your body mass, it would actually make the one-armed strike weaker.@Arc7Kuroi
it's something still quantifiably higher than his regular one-handed swing as opposed to unquantifiable stronger because his using two hands.
This is an Association Fallacy, Kenpachis is literally the only character in the series to go from struggling to doing massive damage just by using two hands. there are tons of examples of people switching between one hand to two hands and not getting massive jumps in power.
- Kenpachi doing this with a single swing that didn't even connect with Nnoitra >>>>>>> Some random unknown speed amp to KE.
That would be just your point. I believe what the fella was suggesting was taking the average of both methods of calculation.The Mid End of the new updated version of the calc you did using cross-sections seems like the best middle ground between our two points.
Correct.That would be just your point. I believe what the fella was suggesting was taking the average of both methods of calculation.
No, my point actually goes further than what you've calced in there. Because of deflected petals going back into the cloud and stopping other petals before they even reach Ichigo.That would be just your point. I believe what the fella was suggesting was taking the average of both methods of calculation.
I'm sorry, but what do you think I was doing this entire time? I was arguing and defending the points myself and saying exactly why.I've seen a lot of people agree with Damage but I've yet to see somebody actually defend his interpretation, seems like a bunch of yes men to me.
The increase from using two hands on a sword is shown to be far above what 2x speed would amp for Ichigo's AP, this is pretty clearly shown in the manga.
And if we agree that two hands > one hand with a 2x speed amp, then we've already seen Ichigo fail to cut or even move a pillar of petals, meaning the argument that he was swatting away entire pillars is already debunked by that alone.
This point was disproved. Because that would mean Ichigo didn't swat all the petals. It would just mean he blocked the whole attack, but Byakuya flat out says every petal was swatted.No, my point actually goes further than what you've calced in there. Because of deflected petals going back into the cloud and stopping other petals before they even reach Ichigo.
Disagreeing with it is not a disproval.This point was disproved.
I didn't simply disagree, I provided evidence. Something you have done little of. The only people who say "I agree/disagree" without providing any evidence in this argument was Matthew. So you generalizing my debunk of your claim as "disagreeing" really just tells me you're not listening.Disagreeing with it is not a disproval.
Except the Ichigo using the Master one hand stroke has better feats than the two-handed one.If you went to get nitty gritty, Ichigo only used his arm for his faster one-handed strike, while he used his whole body in his two-handed strike. Being that the arm is less than a fourth of your body mass, it would actually make the one-armed strike weaker
It's a better speed feat, not a better AP feat.Except the Ichigo using the Master one hand stroke has better feats than the two-handed one.
Deflecting large quantities of petals that are faster> his earlier dual holding feat
Only if you assume he's swatting away entire pillars of petals, which again, beyond an assumption that the manga disagrees with, there's no evidence of.Except the Ichigo using the Master one hand stroke has better feats than the two-handed one.
Deflecting large quantities of petals that are faster> his earlier dual holding feat
Edit: I'm going to Bed, will check out the thread (or whats left of it) tomorrow.
This comes from my earlier statement about Byakuya having to move twice as fast to keep up with Ichigo before Arckuroi extrapolated the KE from that. the problem here is that Ichigo would still have to have moved faster than Byakuya's X2 speed to blitz those senbon, hence the point of the feat.@AnonymousBlank; I don't think anybody said that Ichigo was only swinging two times faster.
I am lost here. Can someone summarize what's going on?