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Yeah, I'm still with Damage all the way, especially after that long epic post.
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Aizen has demonstrated the ability to neg the effects of attacks with raw reiatsu, so it not effecting him is not a valid counter. We have also seen that lightning doesn’t really paralyze characters if sufficient power: look to young Yama tanking a lightning bolt and plenty of people tanking Candice’s lightning that surpasses real lightning.
Regarding Zommari, what Byakuya hit was a Gemelo Sonido clone, so he didn’t even hit an actual target.
Ichigo can move just fine after he breaks free of white’s control. His spiritual pressure is still creaking his bones. The only difference being that significant time has passed since being hit by Byakurai. If Ichigo’s spiritual pressure was what slowed him to immobile then he wouldn’t have been able to move later. What happens is this, Ichigo is hit by Byakurai, Ichigo cant
As readers we are told once that Gin’s Zanpakuto can move at Mach 500 and that it’s the fastest. We are then told that Gin lied about how fast it moves.
If we accept that what Gin says to Ichigo is truth then we still run into a contradiction: Byakuya’s petals move faster than Mach ~900. So Gin says his Mach 500 Bankai is the fastest but that’s incorrect and doesn’t match up with our scaling.
Tokinada scales to FTL, this is no anti feat for Tokinada.
We have a nobody character with a Zanpakuto that can attack with lightning speeds. He’s a nobody which means this is a common occurrence. Stop making him out to be someone unique and special. He is a face in the crowd, indistinguishable from the rest. The fact that a no name can have a lightning speed Zanpakuto and no one makes a big deal about it, implies it has never been a big deal. There’s tens of thousands of fodder Shinigami easily, and for your argument to pass you’d have to assume that he’s the only one to have ever had a lightning speed unreleased Zanpakuto. It just doesn’t work, he’s generalized with the rest of the fodder like we do with the rest of the fodder in the verse. This nobody’s Zanpakuto can reach lightning speeds in the hands of a stranger who picked it up off the battlefield, yet Captains can’t do that in a century of training?
.@Damage3245 regarding Byakuya vs Yammy, yammy could not see him, while he was able to follow Ichigo. And he was also able to cut him casually while ichigo could not.
This.Why are moderators disregarding lore, personality, and story over what @Damage3245 thinks he is seeing on paper?
To target this point specifically, there is one big noticeable difference between fire and lightning. Fire is only ever fire, and is pretty consistent with how it functions in the real world and fiction normally. Lightning however, is only a form of electricity. And since this is only one form/state of electricity, we don't automatically assume that any signs of electricity equals lightning. Case in point the lightning standards of the site, they exist for that very reason. And in the case of the kido being argued, it fails to show those properties consistently enough to be just taken as that at face value."Gathers high-density spiritual energy at the fingertip and discharges it all at once."
This means literally nothing, All Kido is created through Spiritual Energy, but the Kido spell changes the energy into whatever attack and gains whatever properties apply to the Kido, this includes elemental properties.
Fire Kido burns as Fire does, Wind Kido blows as Wind does, Water Kido makes you wet as Water does - Spiritual Energy by itself doesn't do these things, but through Kido, their energy is transformed into these things and take on these attributes.
If a Lightning Kido looks like Lightning, acts like Lightning, and is literally called lightning. Then it probably is lightning, and thus, is as fast as lightning. Occam's Razor is clear on how to act in these scenarios. -Warren
Hyapporankan actually makes 100 railings/fences to bind the target.To target this point specifically, there is one big noticeable difference between fire and lightning. Fire is only ever fire, and is pretty consistent with how it functions in the real world and fiction normally. Lightning however, is only a form of electricity. And since this is only one form/state of electricity, we don't automatically assume that any signs of electricity equals lightning. Case in point the lightning standards of the site, they exist for that very reason. And in the case of the kido being argued, it fails to show those properties consistently enough to be just taken as that at face value.
And once again, naming really should not be taken so literally in bleach. Just like at all the other kido's out there:
Tsuriboshi means Suspending Star, yet it isn't an actual star and is more like a net to catch people
Kakushitsuijaku means Footprint-Attentive Pursuing-Sparrows, which honestly tells you little about what the actual kido does, this one being a kido that displays the longitude and latitude of your target.
Hyapporankan means Hundred Steps Fence and there is no fence with a hundred steps being made there, it's just a barrage of energy that overwhelms the target.
These aren't the only kido's that are like this so to assume that the name means exactly what it's saying isn't really backed by how the kido's are portrayed.