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Very well then
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The Big Bleach Speed CRT
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Damage is correct, I recall we had multiple discussions where the same thing was brought up and where the same practice is done.
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I find it interesting how 4 staff can disagree that Ichigo swatted away all the petals but there is a panel of Byakuya saying he did. 
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What we disagree with is the method. The end result is still the same.I find it interesting how 4 staff can disagree that Ichigo swatted away all the petals but there is a panel of Byakuya saying he did.
If there a line of bowling pins, and I roll a bowling ball at them and they all go down... Then you could say I "knocked over all the pins", but I didn't have to hit each individual pin to do so.
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I'm fine with skepticism to an certain extent, after all you can't just believe in everything that you see at face value...
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That's a bad analogy. The bowling pins are being hit by something much larger than they are and they are in a stationary position, not to mention that they are long and thick as well..The petal blades are being hit by a daito while both of them are moving in different directions. The only feat similar that comes to mind is Vergil and Dante slicing raindrops
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It's just an analogy. Not an exact 1 to 1 comparison. The point is still there.
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You legit argued shockwaves. We’ve seen this move several times in multiple sources including games and I don’t recall a single shockwave whilst he’s using that particular attack.
This bowling analogy doesn’t work here at all. You lined them up so obviously you’d knock em down like dominos. We’re talking about a 360 attack here.
This bowling analogy doesn’t work here at all. You lined them up so obviously you’d knock em down like dominos. We’re talking about a 360 attack here.
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No, it is not. Just as Sigurd also said. You specifically put the pins to fall together, that is the point of that game.
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Tensa Zangetsu vs Senbonzakura Kageyoshi
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@Damage3245 By the way, you are against what we discussed about Orihime calc? about using 0.3m as range with the same charge weight?
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I find it interesting how 4 staff can disagree that Ichigo swatted away all the petals but there is a panel of Byakuya saying he did.
yep.Actually, Senbonzakura Kageyoshi displays the capability to block Tensa Zangetsu. So assuming Ichigo can slice through cross-sections of the petals is a bit disingenuous here. In fact this panel below supports my original calc being more accurate. Ichigo never displays the ability to cut the individual petals in two (something that must be assumed for the cross-sectional cutting to be true), if he did that would mean Byakuya's Bankai would have an increase in petals, since you can't fix a Bankai. That would mean using Byakuya's statement, we can't calc using cross-sections because that is blatantly wrong. What's your rebuttal for this @Damage3245 ?
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@Damage3245 here's it recalc'd using cross-sectional petal method.Tensa Zangetsu vs Senbonzakura Kageyoshi
The new version of the calc is better. I'll do a bit of research to see if that is the best way of calcing it, or if it can be improved.
@Sigurd; I don't think you understand what I meant by shockwave. The force of Ichigo's blows would send the petals back through the mass of Senbonzakura, knocking away petals that he hadn't even touched. That is what I was trying to stress.
@Dangai Ichigo; you clearly have no idea what an analogy is. I don't know why I'm even speaking to you.
@Tyri456; yes.
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Oof
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Byakuya says Ichigo swatted away all the petals, meaning Ichigo's blade came in contact with all the petals, so this^ is false.
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No. I explained why this isn't necessarily the case.
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I explained why your explanation is more founded in assumptions than Ichigo hitting all petals.
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Both could be argued it's literally up to interpretation. While I don't necessarily agree with the idea that each was swatted away, arguing that he did it by shockwaves seems to take more leaps than what is narratively and consistently implied by Kubo in multiple instances.
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Ignore the term "shockwaves" for a moment. Look at the other posts I've made.
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Not really, when such small things are in such a condensed group naturally knocking away one would cause a chain reaction which knocks away others. It's one of the reasons the bowling analogy works because as the blade would physically touch and knockaway some of the petals other petals would most likely be struck by these already knocked away petals and be deflected in liue as well.
Simple physics really.
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I was also referring to your most recent re-clarification of what you said.
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Regardless, which end are we accepting for the feat.
Mitch is in favor of the anime timeframe, so am I.
Mitch is in favor of the anime timeframe, so am I.
Prove that other petals were knocked away as such, because Byakuya says Ichigo hit all petals, not that Ichigo hit some petals which chain reaction hit more petals. Keep in mind Byakuya mentally controls all the petals so they aren't just going to fall away after impact like a bowling pin, Byakuya isn't going to relinquish their pursuit of Ichigo of his own volition.
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A petal isn't nearly the same as a bowling ball. If a bunch of papers falls out of the sky and you knock one away, the paper won't just go flying into another piece of paper.
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Thank you! Somebody gets it.
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Are those petals falling or are they being controlled by Byakuya...
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Byakuya never says Ichigo hit every individual petal.
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This is an unsupported claim. We see in the anime as well he swats them all. Byakuya can control every single petal he was in shock Ichigo deflected them all. Not some ridiculous chain reaction.
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Why in the world would he be so specific...
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Byakuya says he swatted all petals, that means every individual petal buddy. Do I need to define all?
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No, buddy, it doesn't.
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At best for this side you can interpret it as his blade cut through/hit multiple at once in a line each time he swung, but like I said there is also support for the counter.
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Do you need to sound condescending?
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Lmao yes it does.
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That's exactly what Arc7Kuroi is doing.
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He isn't the one who used italics for it.
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He's the one who used the word in the first place. I'm not his buddy or his friend. Him using the term is condescending.
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Here Damage,
Cambridge dictionary defines all as "every one of"
all
1. every one (of), or the complete amount or number (of), or the whole (of…dictionary.cambridge.org
Meaning when Byakuya says "Ichigo swatted away all of the petals" he is saying "Ichigo swatted away every one of the petals"
Look at the other definition in your link:
"the whole (of)".
Ichigo deflected the whole of Byakuya's Senbonzakura but that doesn't require needing to hit each one individually.
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Do you know what's included in the whole of the petals? Every single petal.
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ummm if the papers are close to one another they would lol, you can test this for yourself with confetti
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