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The Big Bleach Speed CRT
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Ulquiorra doesn't really interact with Ichigo Post-Res so I don't think he would scale.
Also just realized that Ichigo's Post-Resurection key is not on there.
Also just realized that Ichigo's Post-Resurection key is not on there.
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@USklaverei; I've updated the blog post. Are there any other keys missing?
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Wow, we forgot about Isshin,
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@DarkDragonMedeus; could you go through the scaling list here and see if things roughly check out to you? If so, then it should be fine for the Pre-Timeskip profiles and keys to be updated with this.
Then I'll be able to put together a thread for seeing which Post-Timeskip ratings would be affected by this.
Then I'll be able to put together a thread for seeing which Post-Timeskip ratings would be affected by this.
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@Arc7Kuroi; it's never been suggested to be yet another 5x multiplier. Just being faster isn't enough proof for a multiplier. Nor is it stated to have the same effects as a whole new Resurreccion.
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I mean it's quite literally called Resurreccion Second Step, it is just another Resurreccion. You're right tho that there isn't much info on it, I was curious what the rationale was for why it got just "higher" seeing how everywhere else I visit people are fine with SE being another Res amp.
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Yama doesn't have a Pre-Timeskip key.
Kisuke is on there, but not in the right spot.
Kisuke is on there, but not in the right spot.
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Are you going to back scale characters or eliminate that formula all together?
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Holy shit, this thread is still going? Geez - 14 pages?
What's being argued now? Aarronerio - is this feat really being argued?
How can anyone, with any idea of how panels work in manga or comics, argue with what is being shown to you directly? He is dodging the light, **** man, it's a mentioned character traits/flaw.
Also, what's this I hear about a sandbox?
What's being argued now? Aarronerio - is this feat really being argued?
How can anyone, with any idea of how panels work in manga or comics, argue with what is being shown to you directly? He is dodging the light, **** man, it's a mentioned character traits/flaw.
Also, what's this I hear about a sandbox?
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@Damage3245, after we finish reviewing the speeds, I want to review the keys, there's a lot that is unnecessary.
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@Warren_Valion; right now we're not discussing anything in specific aside from the ratings laid out in this sandbox worked on by myself and USklaverei.
We just need a staff member to look over them to make sure they're fine to add.
We just need a staff member to look over them to make sure they're fine to add.
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They weren't arguing against the paneling, they were arguing that Aaroniero's face being shaded in the manga panel = Aaroniero is illuminated, as opposed to shading = Aaroniero is in the shadows.
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question, are the accepted Hollowfied multipliers being used?
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For Ichigo, yes.
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also yammy doesnt have a speed rating this would give him a attack speed rating with cero
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Considering the Hollow Mask doesn't grant users any unique abilities like Bankai or Res, I think it'd be fair to apply the 5x multiplier for anyone with a Hollow Mask. Because as I understand it, the reason not all Shinigami get 5x stat amps with Bankai is because not all Bankai are stat amps (Mayuri's Bankai for example), but all Hollow Masks do is increase your stats. After all, Hollowfication was an experiment to try and make Shinigami more powerful during Aizen's escapades of attempting to surpass his physical limits.
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Hollow powers gave Shinji (Mask), Ichigo (Horn), and Ginjo (Fullbring) the ability to use Cero.
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Just because it amplifies the user's stats doesn't mean it is an equal multiplier for everyone. The reason why Ichigo's is considered a 5x multiplier is because it has the feats to back it up.
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The accepted multiplier was 5x for all if I remember right
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Personally I don't classify attacks as abilities. Like Dio stopping time is an ability and Dio punching someone with The World is an attack. So, when I said abilities I wasn't referring to a blanket "what the character can do" I was referring to non physicals/attack related stuffs.
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Yes, it was decided to be a 5x as a lowball
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What verses are you speaking of? If there is a set precedence to use the average when given a range for a multiplier then Bleach should be no different in that regard.
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Verses other than the HST, and I can confidently make that statement since I've seen several staff members agree the HST specifically gets lowballed more so than other verses.
Using the average of something is generally what's most fair and consistent, a calc for example, if there's a low, middle and high end, generally the middle end will be chosen if all three are "accurate", it's the fairest and most balanced choice, you're neither highballing nor lowballing by choosing the middle.
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I was asking for verses where there is a given range for multipliers and the average (well more middle) value is used. And with bleach as a verse we have several calcs with high, low, and mid ends in which the mid end is used. Yama's bankai and one of the calcs being used in this very thread both utilize the mid ends.
Anyway if you want, you can start an entire thread over it soon enough. This thread is nearing its end.
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You misunderstood, I said the middle would be used for verses with a multiplier other than the HST if a range was given, because that's the fairest choice, I honestly don't even know of a single verse other than Bleach that has a multiplier that works that way.
Again you misunderstood, I never said Bleach doesn't have calcs that don't use the middle end, I was using that as an example to show that using the middle end of things is generally the fairest and safest choice when presented with multiple options, so using the lowest option when it's no more likely than any of the other options is just blatant lowball.
Would you not agree that the middle is the best to choose when all the options have equal evidence?
I'm not really interested in making a separate thread for it, in all honesty I've lost interest in arguing things here in general, I just saw that multipliers were brought up here and felt it was a good time to say it.
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Sure, I agree but in the case of the multiplier, there isn't really equal evidence at all. Hell the statement itself is of an average, so clearly, all bankais don't even reach up to a 5 times multiplier.
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The reason is because a Bankai isn't guaranteed to increase stats, for example Mayuri's doesn't increase his stats and there are some Bankai that don't increase all stats, so in that way it's case by case.
But for ones that do show an increase, the default should be 7.5x instead of 5x if we're being fair.
But for ones that do show an increase, the default should be 7.5x instead of 5x if we're being fair.
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I took a look at Damage's sandbox, and I'd say it look solid.
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I disagree with that. But I'd rather voice my reasonings when that's being discussed in a more serious light.
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The statement was that generally, the power of the weapon increases 5 to 10x. That's the average right there. Which means that weaker ones can be less than 5xs and stronger ones can be greater than 10xs.
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