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This thread will be a series of upgrades[as well as degrades] from small changes to major ones. Please keep the discussion civil, avoid toxic behavior as well as derailing!
With that, lets begin with the proposals
So, first, let me quote what this is all about in this section :
Now, lets get to how this is related here.
A "Spirit" is a Spiritual Lifeform, a Type 1 Concept. However, there are levels of a Spirit, and there's a unique relation between these levels. That is, by fusing many Low Level Spirits, it is possible to make a Mid or High Level Spirit, that is to say, by combining many Smaller Concepts, a Greater Concept is formed. So to say, essentially, a High Level Spirit is like a Greater Abstract of a smaller Abstract such as Low Level Spirits. This is also practically done by Rimuru as further proof.
Now, how many levels are there in this Hierarchy? Well, its like this :
[Here, -> doesn't mean Layered, but Greater/Enhanced]
Low Level Spirits -> Medium Level Spirits -> High Level Spirits -> Lord Level Spirits [Elemental Lords]
Similarly, Elemental Souls are an overall Higher version of "Elementals" as a whole, with True Dragons being the highest ranked among them, however, it is unconfirmed if "Higher" here also means a "Greater Whole", it would not necessarily qualify for an even higher level, but should be at least on the same level as the highest "Elementals", Although, there is one case of Great Spirits which are the Greatest Whole from which all Spirits are separated from, thus giving it a layer of Abstract Existence higher than all of the prior.
Please don't forget to check all the scans and read everything before commenting, otherwise it may lead to misunderstandings.
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With that, lets begin with the proposals
--Upgrades--
Change of wording for Regeneration
So, I've noticed that Rimuru currently has HGR for regenerating his skills, however, I feel like this does not show enough to what level of Regeneration he can perform. So, I'll be proposing a change of wording for this. New wording :-
[*]Regeneration (High Godly; Information; Via Infinite Regeneration, an intrinsic skill allowing one to regenerate endlessly as long as one has magicules left; Capable of regenerating from attacks like Melt-Slash, which work on the same principles as Distingration, erasing all Physical and Spiritual traces embodying one's existence, to the point that it leaves nothing behind, not even the Soul, reaching and destroying even the Information Particles in their Nucleic Heart, erasing one's core itself including the skills engraved in it as information, erased Gluttony; Works on Spirit Particles that ignore Space and Time, and can penetrate one's Core made of Information Particles; A Soul is Crystallized Energy defining one's Collective Consciousness, Thoughts, Ideas, Virtual Memory, covered Spiritual and Astral Body as well as their Skills on some occasions, whereas a Core defines their Fundamental Information (Type 2) Self in Reality, their Skills (Powers), that even Spiritual Lifeforms cannot regenerate from; An Ego is a set of Wavelengths defining a person's being, that they can take action with even if their Core has no energy, existing deeper than anything else, beyond their Soul, Information Self)
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Magic and Skills
So, we know how Spiritual Lifeforms were upgraded to Type 1 Concepts in a previous thread, with that in mind, lets upgrade a few more things accordingly.-
[*]Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1; The concept of Magic revolves around inserting one's Will into the Magicules, the Embodiment of One's mind to project the User's Will into Reality working on completely different Laws than the Physical World[1][2][3]; it brings a Pictorial and Non-physical Phenomenon into Reality by manipulating the Set of Laws governing the World called the World Language[5]; The Great Spirits are the Attributes, the Laws governing the Principle of the World and a Natural Phenomenon in its purest, most original form[6], Pre-Conventional Reality Conceptions; Magic can harm Spiritual Lifeforms[7])
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[*]Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1; Skills are part of the Natural Laws of the World etched into one's Soul, the Manifestation of One's Desires and the embodiment of one's Mind; the Systemized Power to manipulate the Laws of the World simply by wishing so and effect the very Root of the World[8][9]; The Great Spirits are the Attributes, the Laws governing the Principle of the World and a Natural Phenomenon in its purest, most original form[6])
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Nucleic Heart/Core
So, apparently, we are differentiating the "Nucleic Heart" as an Abstract Existence based on Information Type 2, and thus destroying said aspect grants one Information Manipulation, and regenerating from destruction of one's Core grants one High Godly Regeneration [Aspect; Information Type 2] as a Core contains one's Information Particles, the fundamental aspect that exists at the core of everything in Reality from physical to Spiritual, Matter, Mind, Soul and Skills. However, there are also many implications that what we know as "Cores" are the same as the Conceptual Self that are the "True Death" for normal Spiritual Lifeforms. This is because of the following reasonings :-
- If a Spiritual Lifeform's Conceptual Self is destroyed, it is true Death for them as they will be gone for good, whereas for True Dragons, their Conceptual Self being destroyed does not mean True Death.
- A Spiritual Lifeform will not Die as long as their Core and Energy remains, that is to say, if their Nucleic Heart Breaks, they will truly Die, even though they can revive after death if their Energy is depleted, but normal Spiritual Lifeforms like demons will really die if their Core is destroyed, whereas for True Dragons, they can come back to life even after destruction of their Cores
Abstract Existence
A "Spirit" is a Spiritual Lifeform, a Type 1 Concept. However, there are levels of a Spirit, and there's a unique relation between these levels. That is, by fusing many Low Level Spirits, it is possible to make a Mid or High Level Spirit, that is to say, by combining many Smaller Concepts, a Greater Concept is formed. So to say, essentially, a High Level Spirit is like a Greater Abstract of a smaller Abstract such as Low Level Spirits. This is also practically done by Rimuru as further proof.
Now, how many levels are there in this Hierarchy? Well, its like this :
[Here, -> doesn't mean Layered, but Greater/Enhanced]
Low Level Spirits -> Medium Level Spirits -> High Level Spirits -> Lord Level Spirits [Elemental Lords]
Similarly, Elemental Souls are an overall Higher version of "Elementals" as a whole, with True Dragons being the highest ranked among them, however, it is unconfirmed if "Higher" here also means a "Greater Whole", it would not necessarily qualify for an even higher level, but should be at least on the same level as the highest "Elementals", Although, there is one case of Great Spirits which are the Greatest Whole from which all Spirits are separated from, thus giving it a layer of Abstract Existence higher than all of the prior.
--Downgrades--
Spiritual Lifeforms' Regeneration
Currently its stated in their Physiology Page that they have Mid Godly Regeneration because they can regenerate from Soul destruction, now, while this is somewhat true, there is a need to change its wording. Because its not that they can regenerate from Soul destruction, but that they can "Revive" if they lose their Energy, Soul is crystallized Energy. In other words, this is Mid Godly Resurrection, not Regeneration, as its being done after death. The wording should be as follows :-
Regeneration (Low Godly) and Resurrection (Mid Godly; Overtime) (Spiritual Lifeforms can regenerate from destruction of Physical Body as long as their Energy is not depleted and their Nucleic Heart exists; however, even if their Energy is depleted, they will die but be revived elsewhere; Energy is what makes up the Soul, that which is Crystallized Energy given form; Core is what contains one's Information Particles, the Fundamental Aspect of the World that exist at the Core of everything)[*]
Anti-Skill's Clarifications
This part will be leaning more towards "Downgrading" Anti-Skill, or to be precise, it'll be listing down the "Limitations" of Yuki's Anti-Skill, which should be added to his weaknesses or just in his ability section:- It cannot work on True Dragon level beings such as Guy, or on Chronoa, at all.
- While it can cancel Physical as well as Skills or Magical Attacks passively, it could not nullify Rimuru's Physical Attacks which are always{Passively} infused with his Skills.
- It would not work on something that fuses both Physical Attacks and Magic such as Melt Slash
- It cannot work on Arts that infuse both Magic and Skills at once.
- Rimuru's HGR's wording on his Demon Slime Key needs to be remade to prevent misunderstanding
- Magic and Skills are Conceptual Manipulation [Type 1]
- Nucleic Heart and Conceptual Self are the same thing, thus, regenerating/resurrecting from either of them would be HGR [Information; Conceptual] {This does not change much as most characters that can regenerate from destruction of Core can also do the same with their Conceptual Self already}
- Spirits have a hierarchy of Abstract Existence, with True Dragons being the highest of them, and the Great Spirits being the greatest collective whole
- Spiritual Lifeforms' Mid Godly Regeneration is actually Resurrection instead, as they actually "Die" before being revived in case their Soul [Energy] is destroyed.
- Yuuki's Anti-Skill has many limitations, which should be listed in his profile, preferably the Weaknesses section.
Please don't forget to check all the scans and read everything before commenting, otherwise it may lead to misunderstandings.
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