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Introduction
Hello everyone, hope ya'll are doing well. This time its not a WN revision, surprisingly, but an LN one. Decided to take a short break from WN and thought this[the proposals of this CRT] were quite obvious, so thought why not? Since LN Revision part 1 thread is in queue, that serves as more reason to open this as well.To clarify, this is a Cosmology upgrade, while simultaneously working as a general tier upgrade.
As always, and especially in this thread, AVOID DERAILING AND ANY FORM OF TOXIC BEHAVIOR.
With that clear, lets get into the actual proposals...
Table of Content
Current Tier Situation and ComplainsBasically, everything is inconsistent, especially the Cosmology blog. An example is that currently, we treat a "World" as 2-A, due to it having Infinite Timelines
Cross-World travels is 2-A as well, yet the Tiers of all the characters except Veldanava are 2-C and with 2-C range despite the clear mentioning that Spiritual Lifeforms can do cross-World travel....
So basically, most of the current tiering is wrong.
You can see how the highlighted parts contradict each other, LOL.For each plane of existence, there exists a branched multiverse rather than worlds, to fully shift paradoxes into another timeline,[27] Hinata confirms this not once but twice,[28] as proof of this, the recent cycle in which they exist in, is the one where Rimuru had became a demon lord and gave Velgrynd her skill which have led to Velgrynd having the ability to traverse the multiverse[29] in her plane of existence, and by doing this she also had also affected time itself[30][31][32][33][34] , making an infinite number of 2-C worlds, and the entirety of time 2-A, this also covers other isolated dimensions in Tensura, whose numbers are unknown.
Cross-World travels is 2-A as well, yet the Tiers of all the characters except Veldanava are 2-C and with 2-C range despite the clear mentioning that Spiritual Lifeforms can do cross-World travel....
So basically, most of the current tiering is wrong.
Cosmology Upgrade
World 「世界, sekai」, one of the most basic constructs in the Cosmology, the word itself is mostly used to describe the same term, but sometimes, can also be seen being used interchangeably with "Dimensions" and/or "Timelines/Cycles".
A World is a Self-Enclosed Space-Time, there are no "Parallel Worlds", but there are "Other Worlds" that reside in Alternate Dimensions, they run on completely different Laws, and their amount of these Worlds, as well as their Sheer Diversity, was beyond the Imagination of even a True Dragon like Velgrynd[1].
TenSura follows the theory of Many-World Interpretation that there exists Parallel Universes for each plane of Existence[2]/World[3], they are also called "Timelines"[4] or "Cycles", and there are Infinite of them[5]. In fact, Chloe had already gone through an Infinite Cycles. But the World does not allow multiple Timelines to exist at the same time to prevent Contradictions from happening[5]. In truth, its more like the Timelines are being remade[5], with each Timeline having its own Time Dimension[5] and Space-Time Continuum[6], in other words, each of them is a separate Space-Time Continuum, where a previous Timeline becomes the "past" to its successive timeline[5], and the point where one Timeline ends and another one starts is also the End of that Universe or the middle of Great Destruction before Life(a New Timeline) is born. This is further proven by two facts, which are explained as below :
Additionally, as stated above that each Cycle has its own Time Axis and Space-Time Continuum, each of its Time Axis is also distinct from one another as each Cycle has its own distinct set of events, as explained below :
A World is a Self-Enclosed Space-Time, there are no "Parallel Worlds", but there are "Other Worlds" that reside in Alternate Dimensions, they run on completely different Laws, and their amount of these Worlds, as well as their Sheer Diversity, was beyond the Imagination of even a True Dragon like Velgrynd[1].
TenSura follows the theory of Many-World Interpretation that there exists Parallel Universes for each plane of Existence[2]/World[3], they are also called "Timelines"[4] or "Cycles", and there are Infinite of them[5]. In fact, Chloe had already gone through an Infinite Cycles. But the World does not allow multiple Timelines to exist at the same time to prevent Contradictions from happening[5]. In truth, its more like the Timelines are being remade[5], with each Timeline having its own Time Dimension[5] and Space-Time Continuum[6], in other words, each of them is a separate Space-Time Continuum, where a previous Timeline becomes the "past" to its successive timeline[5], and the point where one Timeline ends and another one starts is also the End of that Universe or the middle of Great Destruction before Life(a New Timeline) is born. This is further proven by two facts, which are explained as below :
- Travelling to the "Past" of the World itself allows one to travel to any of its Timelines[7].
- When Feldway destroyed the Cardinal Universe, it stated that the Timeline was over/destroyed[8], yet the World was not destroyed.
- From the previous point, Feldway had sent Rimuru to "Beyond Space and Time"[8], where the Timeline was already over[8], in other words, the Space-Time Continuum would had been destroyed. Yet despite that, Time Still passed even though Rimuru was already at a point Beyond Time, and they reached the End of Space and Time[8], this time, the "End of this World", in other words, the Cardinal World, where Time really turned 0[8].
- Backing the previous point again, Ciel had been waiting for Rimuru for an eternity[8] even after they were send to Beyond Space and Time, after which 0 time should have passed, yet, as explained above, Time somehow still passed and they reached the End of Time, the End of the World.
- To bring even more proof, Ciel stated that Chloe would not have been able to Travel in Time with her ability[8], because the World had ended, so Time itself did not exist[8], therefore, there was no Time in which they could travel to go back to the past to begin with[8]. This was stated despite the fact that Chloe had travelled from Timeline to Timeline with her Time Travel skill[9], an ability similar to Velgrynd's case where she Travelled to the Timelines by travelling in the Time of the World itself.[10] This would also mean that the Destruction of a "World" would include the destruction of all of its temporally held Timelines.
Additionally, as stated above that each Cycle has its own Time Axis and Space-Time Continuum, each of its Time Axis is also distinct from one another as each Cycle has its own distinct set of events, as explained below :
- In one Timeline, Rimuru was killed by the Eastern Empire[2].
- In another Cycle, he never met Hinata, instead coming back to Tempest from Ingracia via Spatial Motion, beating up the otherworlders himself before they could cause chaos[2].
- In another Cycle, someone that Rimuru introduced as a friend this time was an enemy in that Cycle[2].
- In this cycle, it was explicitly stated that the direction of Time this time was different then previously[2], that is, the direction of Time Axis of the current Timeline is different then the ones prior.
- Timelines also do not overlap, as explained here.
Conclusive Tier :
The Timelines/Cycles are collectively Low 1-C 5-D, while a World as a whole is 1-C 6-D. The most prior rating is because each Timeline has its own Time Axis, Time Direction and distinct set of events, requiring a 5-D Hyper-Space[Or to be precise, Temporal Space, if that's a correct term, not really "Spatial" in nature, just, Dimensional, and that it exists] so each of their Time Axis can extend in a Non-orthogonal Different Direction in the Temporal Plane. Therefore, the World itself, which has an overarching Time Axis overarching all the Timelines, 6-D.Meanwhile, Inter-World travel, and any character or structure that upscales to destruction of Worlds of the size of a "World", scales to 1-C from now on.
Why is it 6-D?
One would say, why are the cycles collectively 5-D? They aren't stated to be uncountably Infinite either, so what gives? Well, you see, each Timeline's Time Axis has a different direction, as explained above, which produces the following results :
In such a case, the Time Axes between those Worlds, while not parallel or overlapping, would also not be Orthogonal to each other. However, there is indeed the fact that if those Time Axis are independent of each other in the sense of having a different direction, even if not orthogonal, then they can qualify for additional higher Dimensions, which would be needed for those time axes to extend to.
Basically, this is because you can draw as many "Lines" on top of each other in a 1-Dimensional Plane, and all those lines would still be in the same direction, even Anti-Parallel Lines would essentially be extending in the same direction, only difference being, simply in reversed flow. Therefore, they can still be represented in a 1-D plane. This is also why in cases where there's a Multiversal construct containing many Space-Time Continuums, by default, we assume that the Time Dimension of each of those Space-Times extends in the same direction, and therefore would not qualify for an additional Higher Dimension, as there's no need for such a higher Dimension to exist for those individual temporal Dimensions to extend to.
However, what if you draw 2 lines that are non-Parallel or not "completely" overlapping[covering up each other]? This results in you requiring a 2-Dimensional Plane to contain or draw those lines, because those lines, even if intersecting, must have some "Space" between them, if they are not parallel or completely overlapping. Even if one of the lines is parallel or overlapping with the X-Axis (and thus having its Y-coordinates as 0), the second line, which is not parallel or overlapping to it, must have "some" Y-Coordinates. Resultantly, 2 such lines would always require a 2-Directional plane to represent. A graphical representation would preferably explain better, I suppose.
However, this would not extend to the need of additional Higher Dimensions for each additional Time Axis, because while two lines having different directions need a 2-D plane to be presented, infinite such lines can also be held within the same 2-D plane. We know that Time by nature is Orthogonal to Space, therefore, a Multiverse fulfilling this case must be at least 5-D, the 3-D Space of such a Multiverse would hold the Spatial Aspects of all the Space-Time Continuums it holds, whereas the latter 2-D Plane will hold all the Time Axes of those Space-Times extending in their respective direction. Resultantly, the totality of the Hyperspace would be 5-D. Additionally, in case the Hyperspace also has an overarching Time Dimension, then the Hyper Space-Time would, in this case, be 6-D on total.
So basically, if Timeline A extends towards the 4th Dimension, if we think of that as a line extending in a one-dimensional plane, or say, "filling" said plane, we will realize that to draw another line that is not synchronized to that line, we HAVE to make the other line in a 2-Dimensional plane instead. Though, this does not repeat more the once, since an infinite amount of unsynchronized lines can be drawn in a 2-Dimensional plane, each having their own distinct[but not orthogonal] direction, extending in said directions in a significant way, so to say, the Time Dimensions of these parallel worlds do not overlap.
Votes
Agree : DarkDragonMedeusDisagree : Qawsedf234
Neutral :
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This would only be covering up to what a "World" is, since anything beyond that would be introducing 1-A stuff, which I only plan to upload a month later[IFF the current two Tier 1 and up threads are concluded till then].
Another reminder to avoid any form of derailment or toxic behavior.
Thanks for reading folks!
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