Him losing magicules doesn't prove anything, and absolutely not, the LN itself says that he sacrificed beelzebuth for the blow to be NEUTRALIZED, even saying that beelzebuth would consume Hinata's attack (so he doesn't take damage obviously), and the manga makes it clear that Rimuru didn't take any damage.
Also for the manga.the page after that he literally falls down cause 70% of his magicules was erased (literally same scene in anime except anime skipped over the dialogue. (Also that is the amount he STORED ) and he stores it inside his stomach.be that his aura,things he eats,and everything else.Him losing magicules doesn't prove anything, and absolutely not, the LN itself says that he sacrificed beelzebuth for the blow to be NEUTRALIZED, even saying that beelzebuth would consume Hinata's attack (so he doesn't take damage obviously), and the manga makes it clear that Rimuru didn't take any damage.
Yes, I know that your magicules dropped by 70%, I read chapters 5 and 6, but it doesn't change the fact that the attack didn't cause any damage to Rimuru, much less hit him, as the attack was consumed and neutralized by beelzebuth.
in terms of damage, it probably wiped out over 70 percent of my store.
Yes, he says that using beelzebuth to neutralize the attack consumed 70% of his magicules, I'm not seeing the point here, the attack hasn't hit him yet or anything.
Where do you think the magicules come from? Also it very clearly hit him. The plan was to swallow it up with Beelzebub. Something simple that shouldn’t take magicules. But that isn’t how it worked. Beelzebub was erased and he lost over 70%
Rimuru planned to SACRIFICE the beelzebuth ability to stop the attack (he sacrificed it, but Raphael revealed that he could make the ability "come back" because it was stored), he sacrificed it to neutralize the ability and does not suffer damage, the manga makes it very clear that he did not suffer damage.
A whole lot of yap that the scan I sent already clearly explains.70% of his STORED magicules were erased. With obviously means that it has to reach where it is stored in the first place. the thread has already explained multiple times where the skills are located. (I won’t be responding anymore since you simply don’t like to read.)
Bruh, Rimuru SPENT the stored energy to stop the attack, nothing says that the magicules were erased by the attack, it says that Rimuru consumed the magicules (with beelzebuth) to cancel the attack.
The magicules where purified (erased) rimuru could no longer use magic perception which is based on them.
I guess since that was my own understanding of it.
I wanted to ask, is there any other feat of disintegration/meltslash destroying information bodies besides when Beelzebub was destroyed?
Isn't all of this mean her soul still exist??
Rimuru directly stated which magic was "purified"/erased by Hinata's attack, which were the magicules in the surrounding area, besides, he never said that his universal perception is bad due to his own magicules being purified or anything like that, but because the magicules in the surrounding area were "purified".
Sacrificing the skill ≠ using the skill, as we have seen (as far as it is stated), Rimuru spent/used magicules to sacrifice beelzebuth.
Sometimes "Soul" is used to indicate the entire spiritual body or some part of it.
No offense, but you need actual scan to support this line of logic, since scan itself say that skill rooted in the soul, the remain of soul is skill, which mean skill = soul, so if one claimed soul is destroyed then that also mean skill also is destroyed, and vice versa
So we have an attack that purifies magicules, Rimuru gets attacked, he shilds himself with belzebub which doesn't exactly require magicules and for you the motivation fro him loosing 70% of them is... due to shilding himself with a skill that doesn't require that magicules? But then around him magicules are actually erased... completely logical.
From the looks of it, Rimuru can survive Meltslash by sacrificing just one of his skills. I don't see why he can't reduce the damage and use Infinite Regeneration to recover instead of being completely erased. Even Raphael or Rimuru never talks about being completely erased.
"Bound to the physiology of the user" is exactly my point. Being bound to their physiology is in reference to obtaining the skill by being from a certain species. It is nowhere the same as a natural enhanced healing factor. Furthermore...
Basically states the same thing.
No offense taken. It's one thing if magicules, soul power simply enhance one's natural regenerative capabilities i.e. it accelerates the healing but rather it's a fuel for a skill/magic/ability to function and said ability is what performs the healing. "Without x energy, certain skills cannot function" isn't the same as "without x energy, wounds won't heal as quickly".
It being engraved data already separates it from something inherent to biology, the working of the verse plays no role in it. "Prove it functioned as a spell", ain't y'all the ones who agreed it is IM 2, CM, Law etc.?
He "sacrificed" the skill, which is completely different from "using" the skill, so yes, the logic continues.
Except that he just used the skill, there isn't an option of "sacrifce" for skills. It's just a choice of words from Raphael cause she knew what was going to happen to belzebub.
Is there some word missing? Cause this doesn't really have any meaning.
First link is a gif.
That scan doesn't say that... it says that that he wouldn't have died.
No, he would literally permanently sacrifice the beelzebuth skill, if he was just going to use it, he wouldn't say that sacrificing the skill would be a hug loss, plus he would only find out later that beelzebuth was "not" sacrificed because Raphael told him he had a copy of skill.
If Rimuru neutralizes the skill, it becomes ineffective, that's the meaning of "neutralize", so the attack would have 0 effect.
Wrong image, this link simply remained on my keyboard, I've already changed it.
He says "Even if I didn't offset it with Beelzebuth, Lord of Gluttony, could I not have been killed by a direct hit from Melt Slash?".
I never claimed it was his own based on that reasoning. I was saying that him not being able to use it proves that it erases magicules,& therefore your reasoning of magicules being what canceled it out invalid as magicules get erased by coming in contact with it.and I was using the fact that gluttony doesn’t use magicules in the first place to prove that it wasn’t in reference to it. With magicules literally making up thier bodies.and your statement of it only destroying the physical body false as a vastly weaker skill could already destroy the spiritual body.your comments about him not getting hit are false as the ability protecting him was literally erased.
To quote the series.
Granvell attack destroys peoples souls and what remained after hinata died i.e after granvells attack was her consciousness in her skill mathematician
There's nothing important here, but anyway, I never said Melt Slash doesn't cut magicules, I said it wouldn't erase Rimuru's soul, since that was never stated or considered, they're two different things.
No, the manga scan doesn't show that the attack hit Rimuru, just that he is very close to it (even in the manga itself Rimuru says he sacrificed beelzebuth at that moment).
This is quite contradictory to what is said here and here, Rimuru and Raphael clearly point out that Melt Slash would affect Rimuru's physical body, his last scan is completely contradictory to this, tell me in which chapter you found this scan so I can read the context.
According to my understanding ,the ego/will is surrounded by information forming a soul
Already answered in the OP's counter argument section, so argument from ignorance.
Also answered in the OP, so once again, argument from ignorance.
My man, if you don't understand what a heart or ego means in tensura, read the physiology pages. I'm not going to clarify something that is already well-explained in the physiology pages we have created for that sake. -_-
Being hit does not mean being directly hit. Do you not even know the usage of adjectives in Grammar?
From the scans, what else. Not an argument.
-_-
This makes it clear that Beelzebuth was destroyed earlier when Hinata used Melt Slash herself, which proves that the attack reached the Soul.
"Probably"
Basing off on assumptions again, argument from ignorance, when Hinata directly confirms that she was ready even if the attack kills Rimuru, and further backed up by the fact that its lethality CANNOT be reduced. Stop ignoring scans by calling them "what the hell is this" my dude.
Dude, what?
Key word, Sacrified. And again, keyword from another scan, "backup". Those words very clearly indicate Beelzebuth was destroyed.
Argument from ignorance, rather then focusing on a singe visual pannel that doesn't even adapt everything fully from the LN due to, well, manga expenses[whatever you call it], you refuse to understand the step-to-step explanation and continue with your own assumptions.
I didn't mention everything, though.
Argument from repetition, and nothing here debunks or even addresses anything I said[including the example I gave regarding accidental and essential qualities].
Heart does not always refer to the core/ego, but, as stated in its own scan, it says that Raphael exists "in the right corner of Rimuru's soul", if Raphel were in another ego/core, this statement would not make any sense. It is quite obvious from the context that heart is referring to Raphael's inability to feel emotions.
The word "directly" just means that it hit the exact point mentioned, there is no change in meaning, "being hit by a bullet" and "being hit directly by a bullet" are the same thing, the difference is that the second one gives a idea that the bullet hit exactly where he wanted (where he was aiming).
The skill itself was sacrificed/used as a shield, this can be seen much more clearly in the manga, nothing says that Hinata's attack hit Rimuru's soul, core or ego to destroy the skill, Rimuru who used his skill as a shield sacrificing it, there is no evidence that when "sacrificing a skill", the skill remains existing only in Rimuru's core, and not outside his body (which is what the LN and the manga imply).
How about you prove that when Rimuru uses the skill as a "shield" (sacrifices it), the skill remains existing ONLY in Rimuru's race? Which is what really needs to be proven here, despite the manga and LN pointing out that the sacrifice of skill causes the skill to be used as a "shield" that is in front of Rimuru's body.
The manga skipped some things, but there are illustrations of others, like Rimuru using the skill himself on his arm before the Melt Slash hits him, making it very clear that the skill is not just in the core at that moment, we won't exclude it just because it is not 100% faithful to LN, neither secondary raw is 100% faithful to a primary raw in all details.
You still don't prove that when "sacrificing a skill", the skill remains existing only in the core, as I said previously, there is no reason to completely ignore the manga's images just because it skips a dialogue or a scene, what is drawn is still something that comes from LN itself.
Read the physiology page for god's sake...
The idea here is that Rimuru blocked the attack with beelzebuth [tho Beelzebuth was destroyed in the process] during hinata's attack, which does not count as a direct hit. On the other hand, this time he would let it hit directly without doing anything himself[in raphael's assumed scenario].
Argument from ignorance + repetition. I will repeat myself, do not argue if you do not know the narrative working, and do not argue with the manga when it clearly has visual limitations and can skip details.
Your own self-assumed deduction, which is completely wrong. The very fact that it was "scarified" means it did not exist any longer. You're refusing to understand what the term itself literally means -_-
What do you mean by race? Typo perhaps?
The act of sacrificing comes after the skill being used, not before it -_-
Does not really mean or contradict it didn't reach the heart core.
I will repeat myself only once, Visual limitations for the manga part, Physiology page for the core part.
I literally posted a scan of this, I know this very well, even if you are right that "heart" refers to the core, it is still stated that Raphael exists "in the right corner of Rimuru's soul", so unless there is something that refute this, if Rimuru is completely destroyed, so is Raphael.Read the physiology page for god's sake...
A heart core is something that resides inside a Soul. Raphael is a heart core that resides in Rimuru's Soul, but it does not have its own Soul.
"Heart" does not mean anything else when it context to a "Core".
The very ability to "feel emotions" and be self-aware of one's own existence is what defines an "Ego".
Once again, you're refusing to read the physiology pages for no reason
Dude, stop arguing if you don't know how the verse physiologies work, or just read the pages created for the sake of understanding it.
I never said that hit was a direct hit, I said the "assumption" is still talking specifically about that hit, the "assumption" is if THAT hit caught on like it was supposed to.
What has visual limitations is the LN, since there is an image for each 700-line text, and the manga didn't skip details, just monologues, but this is something that every manga does, therefore, it doesn't count as something "less canonical" , especially if it shows images that portray the LN in a way that does not escape what is said in the LN.
He sacrificed it, but Raphael reveals he had a copy of the ability, so I don't see his point.
*Core
From the moment the skill is being used outside of Rimuru's body, this goes against what you say, the skill is sacrificed at the same moment Beelzebuth consumes the Melt Slash, nothing indicates that the blow went through the skill and reached the core, just that the act of "consuming"/using the ability and sacrificing was the same act.
This does not prove that a "sacrificed" skill continues to exist only within the core, it is one thing to say that just the use of the skill is just the phenomenon being brought into reality and that the skill continues to exist in the core, another thing is to say that the sacrificing a skill leaves it remaining only in the core, Rimuru is literally sacrificing the skill, not just invoking it, they are two different things.
Same thing as before.
This honestly just proves you didn’t read. If you don’t want to read,then simply don’t comment on the thread and just wait for mods. You are just repeating already addressed arguments and making the thread longer
I read, cite where my argument contradicts the skill/magic page.
Again reread your scan and mark this headcanon you are spitting and resend the scan it you can even find the word in there.
You edited it and I don’t feel like reading all that again. But that isn’t even the argument in the first place. I will let astral deal with you
Your argument is based solely on repetition and ignorance, that's all. Just call the staff, and let's see who agrees with your misconceptions about regeneration and resurrection.
Basically: false accusation without evidence. I didn't change/edit my arguments at any point, at most I stopped arguing about one thing or another.
Except, not really.
A staff came and pinged the other staff already 2 pages ago.
