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TenSura LN Major Misleading Revision - Part 2

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This is the infamous High Godly Regeneration, based on the Infinite Regeneration skill, which has been on my mind for the longest time. It is clearly not right to give this skill High Godly Regeneration. I won't be replying to anyone who goes out of their way to bring up unrelated topics to this thread and argue about other types of characters and their regenerations. My only downgrade is related to this specific skill. If you have anything related to this alone, feel free to bring it up, and I’m okay with that. But other unrelated topics, I’m just going to ignore.

Current justification in the profile

Simple explanation for downgrade

Infinite Regeneration requires Magicules to regenerate the user’s body, and since it is a skill stored in the core (unless stated otherwise), this should rule out the possibility of the core being destroyed. Therefore, Raphael’s statement should be interpreted as Rimuru outlasting Meltslash due to sheer regeneration. Additionally, this is supported by the fact that Meltslash has limitations, such as not being able to erase beings like Veldora due to sheer size. The current standard states that a character needs to be completely erased to qualify for Godly Regeneration. Even if you argue that some important type 2 information was erased, it does not disprove the fact that Infinite Regeneration will not be erased and that the core should be somewhat fine to keep the Infinite Regeneration skill running. There is also the fact that Magicules are involved. Hence, it is not a complete erasure, which disqualifies it from High-Godly Regeneration.

Detailed Explanation can be found here if anyone not get what I'm proposing above. 👇
The Core contains skills, so if Infinite Regeneration is active and can endlessly regenerate its user but needs magicules as an energy source, this just proves the Core is obviously not destroyed. If the Core were destroyed, there would be no skills, right? Anyone saying otherwise is just ignoring the clear evidence. Since Infinite Regeneration requires magicules, we can obviously conclude that the Core isn’t actually erased.

According to the new standards, (not really new I meant current. But it's new for people who are not upto date) characters need to be completely erased to qualify for Godly Regeneration, so any attempt to argue that Infinite Regeneration is High Godly is clearly misinformed as Core is not likely getting erased completely as I explained above. Everyone knows that complete erasure is required for Godly Regeneration.

There is also the fact that Melt Slash disintegration has limits, like not being able to completely erase beings like Veldora due to sheer size.
Even Disintegration, the most powerful of holy magic, could only do a little bit of damage against Veldora's gigantic frame. The durability of these True Dragons was no joke—it's what made them True Dragons. (Volume 15, Chapter 2)
This obviously implies that Rimuru’s Regeneration skill could have just outlasted Melt Slash, which likely didn’t continue for a long period. It’s more rational to interpret this as Rimuru regenerating to the point where Melt Slash’s effect just couldn’t keep up. Without any specific scans to prove otherwise, there’s no reason to believe that Melt Slash would have completely erased Rimuru, especially if we can clearly see that magicules are required for regeneration. Magicules act as fuel, and if the Core stores the skills, then Infinite Regeneration skill being active clearly proves the Core isn’t destroyed.

There may be arguments that Melt Slash is a one-hit kill, but as I’ve pointed out, being an existence erasure doesn’t rule out the possibility that Rimuru’s Infinite Regeneration skill could outlast its effect by regenerating his physical body so much that Melt Slash eventually loses effect. This is the most logical interpretation, thanks to the explicit mention of magicules as a required fuel for that skill, and since skills are stored in the Core, obviously the character’s fundamentals aren’t getting erased.

The argument that the Gluttony skill was destroyed and recreated holds no weight because there are two key points to consider. First, a backup for Gluttony was already stored, according to the scans, which clearly debunks the idea that the skill was regenerated from scratch. Second, Rimuru/Raphael was still alive, so it’s just that regenerating an erased skill is not the same as regenerating oneself. Other characters in fiction do similar things all the time, where important parts of themselves or others are healed, without being able to regenerate from total erasure. The wiki’s Regeneration page even defines this as mere resurrection of the skill, so anyone arguing otherwise is just ignoring the evidence.

Meltslash erased Gluttony, but why wouldn’t it erase Rimuru in a single hit? Please don’t use arguments from ignorance—I’ve already explained this clearly. Gluttony didn’t use Infinite Regeneration to outlast Meltslash, but here Raphael suggests they could. So, obviously, Rimuru would survive Meltslash as long as he has enough Magicules to power Infinite Regeneration.

Well, its regeneration level should be debated; I guess it could be low godly or mid godly, but I'll leave it for another time. But anyone who has Infinite Regeneration skills in their profile should be downgraded if this thread gets passed

@Astral_Trinity439 suggested Mid godly Regeneration for this here. I'm fine with it



Agree: @Planck69 (Admin) (Ageed with downgrade to MGR), @Dereck03 (Admin) (Agree With MGR),

Neutral:

Disagree:
 
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Ok if you disagree either wait for others who make their arguments and you can spam FRA or just don't comment. But don't just make this derailing comments again.
I don't need to wait for arguments to state my agreement or disagreement. And me stating my evaluation to your arguments for the debunk, is by no means derailment of any kind. It is by no means required for me to argue why I find your "debunk" unable to actually debunk anything. I Will leave the debating parts, for the users that are better at debating and explaining thing then me.
 
Ok if you disagree either wait for others who make their arguments and you can spam FRA or just don't comment. But don't just make this derailing comments again.
Please read the last part 🤦‍♂️

And you are really arguing that a dragons body which is like 20 feet being to big for disintegration correlates to a 5 foot rimuru.
 
1. You mentioned the size of True Dragon as a limitation, nothing to do with regeneration, the spell is small in size to encompass a True Dragon.

2. Magicules can be found all over the world, not just on the user.

3. Since when does Rimuru have Infinite Regeneration in the core? The only thing I remember is that the regenerative abilities are in the body, there are several cases where they regenerate their spiritual and astral bodies even when their regenerative abilities are in the body.

4. Totally disagree.
 
1. You mentioned the size of True Dragon as a limitation, nothing to do with regeneration, the spell is small in size to encompass a True Dragon.
I already addressed this in second part where a detailed explanation was.
2. Magicules can be found all over the world, not just on the user.
Scans states ones Magicules. Means users Magicules. So yours this argument does not work.
3. Since when does Rimuru have Infinite Regeneration in the core? The only thing I remember is that the regenerative abilities are in the body, there are several cases where they regenerate their spiritual and astral bodies even when their regenerative abilities are in the body.
I posted the scans for skills being held in core unless you prove otherwise
 
1. You mentioned the size of True Dragon as a limitation, nothing to do with regeneration, the spell is small in size to encompass a True Dragon.
The scan said it did no damage due to the durability of the body, not the size.

And I think the argument isn't about Veldora not being destroyed, but rather that bodies with a lot of durability might not be affected by disintegration.
 
The scan said it did no damage due to the durability of the body, not the size.

And I think the argument isn't about Veldora not being destroyed, but rather that bodies with a lot of durability might not be affected by disintegration.
Against the "gigantic figure of Veldora" where it says durability, that is about its size, not its durability.

You know the size of a True Dragon compared to the Disintegration spell.
 
Nvm I fully agree with this thread, I'm gonna say what has to be said and I won't argue further. So, in Volume 15 Chapter 4, it says they can regenerate physical and spiritual parts as long as they’ve got magicules, but that doesn’t hit the mark for High-Godly, For High-Godly, you’d need to come back even after total erasure of your body, mind, soul, and some extra core part of your existence (like your role in the story, concept, etc.).

Since this only talks about physical and spiritual regen and relies on magicules, it doesn’t really match High-Godly, it’s more likely to be Mid-Godly unless there something missing that I don't know, yeah it pretty much doesn't qualify for High-godly under the current standards
 
Nvm I fully agree with this thread, I'm gonna say what has to be said and I won't argue further. So, in Volume 15 Chapter 4, it says they can regenerate physical and spiritual parts as long as they’ve got magicules, but that doesn’t hit the mark for High-Godly, For High-Godly, you’d need to come back even after total erasure of your body, mind, soul, and some extra core part of your existence (like your role in the story, concept, etc.).

Since this only talks about physical and spiritual regen and relies on magicules, it doesn’t really match High-Godly, it’s more likely to be Mid-Godly unless there something missing that I don't know, yeah it pretty much doesn't qualify for High-godly under the current standards
You don't even know that Tensura is composed of type 2 information, do you?
 
Against the "gigantic figure of Veldora" where it says durability, that is about its size, not its durability.

You know the size of a True Dragon compared to the Disintegration spell.
He only mentions the fact that Aveldora has a gigantic body, not that this is the reason why the disintegration did not take full effect, right after that he clearly says that durability is the reason for such a thing.
Even Disintegration, the most powerful of holy magic, could only do a little bit of damage against Veldora's gigantic frame. The durability of these True Dragons was no joke—it's what made them True Dragons. (Volume 15, Chapter 2)
 
this is CRT is clearly made out of spite lmao
There is a scan for physical body endlessly Regenerating but I also see the scan for Shion skill having statement for spiritual stuff. But IIRC DT states all mind, soul and body needs to be erased and Regenerated to get MGR. So I'm still not sure which level this qualifies. How TF is this spite because I said it might be low or mid godly?
 
He only mentions the fact that Aveldora has a gigantic body, not that this is the reason why the disintegration did not take full effect, right after that he clearly says that durability is the reason for such a thing.
Are you going to ignore the fact that size is mentioned first? Durability in this case can mean that even if it erases a small part of the body it is still unharmed, you know?
 
Are you going to ignore the fact that size is mentioned first? Durability in this case can mean that even if it erases a small part of the body it is still unharmed, you know?
Body size is only mentioned as a detail of Veldora (just to say that he has a large body), and the reason why the ability has no effect is clearly durability (being that it mentions that "body durability is not Just kidding"), your point doesn't even make sense, durability is of course the reason a matter is difficult to cut, not its size, not only is durability clearly why it's difficult to cut through Veldora's body, but its interpretation has nothing to do with durability, but rather resistance to injury.

for example: Paper the size of a building is much easier to cut than a diamond the size of a finger.
 
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Rather you should scan that this ability is in the core since you claim it is there, when the scan you send is about Unique and Ultimate Abilities.
First of all my scans didn't say it was unique skill. It states skills are the core, I take it as general statement otherwise you prove it otherwise. (I believe you are talking about first line?) There is a other statement for skills are engraved to soul. Even if you argue that Infinite Regeneration is not at the core but at his soul, it doesn't disprove my initial argument. Additionally, I see you intentionally ignored the argument about the Magicules required to power the skill. So, it's logical that it is still located somewhere in the Core or soul. To use Infinite Regeneration, Rimuru's core or soul should be fine to some extent and powered by Magicules. Hence, this doesn't qualify as High Godly Regeneration because he is not being erased completely.
 
Body size is only mentioned as a detail of Veldora (just to say that he has a large body), and the reason why the ability has no effect is clearly durability (being that it mentions that "body durability is not Just kidding"), your point doesn't even make sense, durability is of course the reason a matter is difficult to cut, not its size.

for example: Paper the size of a building is much easier to cut than a diamond the size of a finger.
Disintegration is famous for its little range which is useless against a true dragons body. You clearly do not have any knowledge at all on the verse.
 
Disintegration is famous for its little range which is useless against a true dragons body. You clearly do not have any knowledge at all on the verse.
People literally complain about the durability.
But if that's the case, that's fine I guess.
 
First of all my scans didn't say it was unique skill. It states skills are the core, I take it as general statement otherwise you prove it otherwise. (I believe you are talking about first line?) There is a other statement for skills are engraved to soul. Even if you argue that Infinite Regeneration is not at the core but at his soul, it doesn't disprove my initial argument. Additionally, I see you intentionally ignored the argument about the Magicules required to power the skill. So, it's logical that it is still located somewhere in the Core or soul. To use Infinite Regeneration, Rimuru's core or soul should be fine to some extent and powered by Magicules. Hence, this doesn't qualify as High Godly Regeneration because he is not being erased completely.
Even getting to what you say, what does that have to do with Rimuru not even being comparable to True Dragon in Durability?

Also, you're not going to tell me that Charybdis has better Durability than a being that can devour the world and the stars, right? (Glutonny)

Obviously it's about size.

 
Even getting to what you say, what does that have to do with Rimuru not even being comparable to True Dragon in Durability?

Also, you're not going to tell me that Charybdis has better Durability than a being that can devour the world and the stars, right? (Glutonny)

Obviously it's about size.

?I think you replied to wrong person.
My argument has nothing to do with durability.
 
Even getting to what you say, what does that have to do with Rimuru not even being comparable to True Dragon in Durability?

Also, you're not going to tell me that Charybdis has better Durability than a being that can devour the world and the stars, right? (Glutonny)

Obviously it's about size.

Even if it's about size, that's not exactly Eldemade's argument.
 
First of all my scans didn't say it was unique skill. It states skills are the core, I take it as general statement otherwise you prove it otherwise. (I believe you are talking about first line?) There is a other statement for skills are engraved to soul. Even if you argue that Infinite Regeneration is not at the core but at his soul, it doesn't disprove my initial argument. Additionally, I see you intentionally ignored the argument about the Magicules required to power the skill. So, it's logical that it is still located somewhere in the Core or soul. To use Infinite Regeneration, Rimuru's core or soul should be fine to some extent and powered by Magicules. Hence, this doesn't qualify as High Godly Regeneration because he is not being erased completely.
I just saw this scan where they say that the skills are in the core?

I've also translated this to my original language and it has another meaning:

"Skills are, at the core, the ability to affect the laws of the world simply by wishing it were so. Activating such power, the kind that impacts the very root of the world, is impossible without a steel will."

core = escense (which makes sense)

What does this have to do with the heart core?
 
First of all my scans didn't say it was unique skill. It states skills are the core, I take it as general statement otherwise you prove it otherwise. (I believe you are talking about first line?) There is a other statement for skills are engraved to soul. Even if you argue that Infinite Regeneration is not at the core but at his soul, it doesn't disprove my initial argument. Additionally, I see you intentionally ignored the argument about the Magicules required to power the skill. So, it's logical that it is still located somewhere in the Core or soul. To use Infinite Regeneration, Rimuru's core or soul should be fine to some extent and powered by Magicules. Hence, this doesn't qualify as High Godly Regeneration because he is not being erased completely.
• Skills may be etched into your soul or stored in your body.

The only ones that have a declaration to be in the heart core are the Unique and Ultimate Skills.

Just because I say skills doesn't mean they are the extras, common, etc.

When we only know from declarations that the Unique and Ultimate Skills can be in the core, well not all the Unique Skills since some have it in their body.
 
I just saw this scan where they say that the skills are in the core?

I've also translated this to my original language and it has another meaning:

"Skills are, at the core, the ability to affect the laws of the world simply by wishing it were so. Activating such power, the kind that impacts the very root of the world, is impossible without a steel will."

core = escense (which makes sense)
What does this have to do with the heart core?
I don't see much difference? Core or essence the fact still stays it's etched into some parts of the user
• Skills may be etched into your soul or stored in your body.

The only ones that have a declaration to be in the heart core are the Unique and Ultimate Skills.

Just because I say skills doesn't mean they are the extras, common, etc.

When we only know from declarations that the Unique and Ultimate Skills can be in the core, well not all the Unique Skills since some have it in their body.
My argument is that Melt Slash has a time period to erase the target or range. Due to Rimuru using the Infinite Regeneration skill, he is able to regenerate his body to the point where Melt Slash's effects wouldn’t reach his core, which is a fundamental aspect in Tensura?

For High Godly or any other form of Godly Regeneration, there needs to be proof of the complete erasure of fundamental aspects. For Low Godly, it requires erasure of the body; for Mid Godly, it requires erasure of mind, soul, and body.

The current justification for Rimuru is not enough to grant him High Godly Regeneration when the Infinite Regeneration skill is active and Magicules are necessary to sustain it. Scans regarding this skill state that it is etched onto certain parts of the user — either the core or the soul.

Unless there is another explanation, please provide an argument for Melt Slash erasing Rimuru completely, as well as an explanation for how his skills, like Infinite Regeneration, would continue to function and how Magicules would be supplied to it. Where exactly do you claim the Infinite Regeneration skill exists, and why isn’t it considered part of Rimuru himself? Why is this an exception?
 
I don't see much difference? Core or essence the fact still stays it's etched into some parts of the user
"Skills, in essence, the ability to affect the laws of the world simply by wishing it were so. Activating such power, the kind that impacts the very root of the world, is impossible without a steel will."

What does it have to do with the core of the heart, when they mention the laws of the world later on?
 
Nvm I fully agree with this thread, I'm gonna say what has to be said and I won't argue further. So, in Volume 15 Chapter 4, it says they can regenerate physical and spiritual parts as long as they’ve got magicules, but that doesn’t hit the mark for High-Godly, For High-Godly, you’d need to come back even after total erasure of your body, mind, soul, and some extra core part of your existence (like your role in the story, concept, etc.).

Since this only talks about physical and spiritual regen and relies on magicules, it doesn’t really match High-Godly, it’s more likely to be Mid-Godly unless there something missing that I don't know, yeah it pretty much doesn't qualify for High-godly under the current standards
Yeah you understand this completely.
You don't even know that Tensura is composed of type 2 information, do you?
You didn’t address his point. Tensura is composed of Type 2 information, and partial erasure does not prove High Godly Regeneration. I literally linked the thread and page for Regeneration, where it was clearly mentioned that complete erasure is required. You need to prove that Rimuru can come back from the complete erasure of his core and soul. Additionally, explain how Infinite Regeneration would remain active and where it would obtain Magicules to regenerate him if he is completely erased.
"Skills, in essence, the ability to affect the laws of the world simply by wishing it were so. Activating such power, the kind that impacts the very root of the world, is impossible without a steel will."

What does it have to do with the core of the heart, when they mention the laws of the world later on?
This is new translation though you just posted 🤔
But if skills are not at the core do you believe they are at soul? Like other scan states or something else. Either way my point is skills is run by Magicules and Rimuru statement is heavily dependent on him Regenerating his physical body to the point melt slash doesn't reach his core.
 
Regenerating something when Melt Slash destroys everything? Seriously that's your argument, when Rapahel mentions that she can regenerate her physical body? (When she can obviously regenerate more things)

It's like spiritual life forms, with Low Goddly regeneration could do the same, then why don't they do it?

Again magicules are everywhere in the world, monsters have their existence based on it, it's not just the user.
 
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